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The real reason Vick got a second chance (cause he's a jock)
Washington comPost ^ | December 29, 2010 | Richard Cohen

Posted on 12/29/2010 10:25:33 AM PST by Zakeet

The commentary about President Obama's call to the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles regarding that adjudicated dog killer Michael Vick has now reached an apogee of stupidity that strongly suggest that too many otherwise smart people have lost their ability to reason. Obama, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie recounted, said, "'So many people who serve time never get a fair second chance.' He said, 'It's never a level playing field for prisoners when they get out of jail.' And he was happy that we did something on such a national stage that showed our faith in giving someone a second chance after such a major downfall." It helps, I think, that Vick has completed 63.2 percent of his passes and has 20 touchdowns. He is not your average felon.

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Dog fighting was Vick's hobby. He had been warned about it. His own father had told him to stop. He persisted because, as with many great athletes, he was never held accountable. A nation of jock-sniffers always looks away when a great athlete does something wrong. Nothing is an important as winning -- we all know that -- and Vick was and is a winner.

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Now Vick has punched all the tickets on the road to rehabilitation. He is contrite. He loves pooches. He might even get a dog himself. How much of this is genuine and how much is synthetic I leave to you. But I'll tell you this. Vick got a second chance not because he deserves it but because he can play football. This is the lesson we can all take from this sorry episode. It's one thing to be sorry. It's much better to hit your man in the end zone.

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Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie was exactly correct and this Liberal Loon is entirely off base.

Vick served his prison sentence in full, lost tens of millions in salary and endorsements, was forced into bankruptcy, and lost most of his personal possessions.

Vick is currently is the poster boy for someone having done something incredibly stupid, having been punished as a result, and is now successfully using his God-given abilities to turn his life around.

What more do Libtards want from the guy? Life imprisonment? The death penalty, perhaps?

1 posted on 12/29/2010 10:25:36 AM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

It wasn’t incredibly stupid. It was incredibly evil and craven. He and his pals weren’t just fighting dogs, they were gratuitously and grotesquely torturing them.

Sure, the guy has served his term and been let out of prison, but making a hero out of him is disgusting.


2 posted on 12/29/2010 10:30:25 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Zakeet
Ogoggles
3 posted on 12/29/2010 10:31:03 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Zakeet

I agree that Cohen is off base here (and probably at least a little jealous because he probably couldn’t hit the ground with a football if it weren’t for gravity), but I also think if this were “Michael Vick, normal person” committing the same offense he’d still be rotting in prison.

I sincerely hope Vick has learned his lesson, but I wouldn’t let him have a dog just yet.


4 posted on 12/29/2010 10:31:46 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Regulation without representation is tyranny.)
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To: Zakeet

I personally would like less adulation over someone who has been out of the klink for 5 minutes. Having the Pres come out in support of this genuine thug gangsta is touchy feely BS.

Why don’t we wait for ten years or so to reflect on whether Vick actually had a conversion or if he is going to get back to his natural proclivities. If Vick was a used car salesman in your neighborhood, would you shrug off the conviction and buy a Datsun from him?


5 posted on 12/29/2010 10:33:32 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: 9YearLurker; Zakeet
Not this shit again
6 posted on 12/29/2010 10:33:44 AM PST by onona (dbada)
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To: Zakeet
"The commentary about President Obama's call to the owner of the Philadelphia Eagles regarding that adjudicated dog killer Michael Vick has now reached an apogee of stupidity that strongly suggest that too many otherwise smart people have lost their ability to reason."

No, this is just further evidence, as if more were required, that the current occupant of the White House is not particularly smart.

7 posted on 12/29/2010 10:34:20 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Zakeet
"Vick is currently is the poster boy for someone having done something incredibly stupid, having been punished as a result, and is now successfully using his God-given abilities to turn his life around."

HORSESHIT!

8 posted on 12/29/2010 10:36:32 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Zakeet

You just had to stir the post. :-)


9 posted on 12/29/2010 10:37:35 AM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Zakeet
Vick got a second chance not because he deserves it but because he can play football.

No. Vick got a second chance because he is black and can play football.

There is no forgiveness for white jocks (Just ask Pete Rose) only for black ones.

10 posted on 12/29/2010 10:37:55 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Zakeet

Michael Vick already answered to the law and took his punishment, the only person that he has left to answer to now is God alone. I wish everyone would just leave this guy alone and get on with their lives. Unfortunately, if the left aren’t complaining about something, they don’t know what to do with themselves.


11 posted on 12/29/2010 10:37:56 AM PST by Mind Freed (Maybe Obama was the Wright choice... Let's wait till everything Ayers out.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Bingo. Stupid would be drug abuse or even robbery. Evil is repeated torture and murder of the helpless just for the fun of it. Prison time does not extract the evil, its just the price you pay for having done the evil. A very small price compared to what was inflicted on the victims.

In a less degraded society Vick would never be allowed to play pro sports again, and even going out in public would be a problem for him.


12 posted on 12/29/2010 10:40:26 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
I also think if this were “Michael Vick, normal person” committing the same offense he’d still be rotting in prison.

Good possibility. Or, he might not have even been prosecuted. Or, he might have simply pleaded out.

One of the more observant, and non-PC FReepers mentioned at the time of his arrest that he'd have been better off if he'd sexually assaulted a woman.

A charge like that - IMHO, orders of magnitude worse - would just have been made to go away.

There certainly is a double standard, in more ways than one. I saw him play my Panthers a number of times back in his heyday with the Falcons. Refs did their best not to even let him get his uniform dirty - minimal contact drew a whistle and a flag. Sez me, they're all grown men and all wearing pads. Let 'em play.

13 posted on 12/29/2010 10:44:46 AM PST by wbill
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To: Zakeet

Tell that to the dogs he hurt. No way.


14 posted on 12/29/2010 10:45:27 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Zakeet

It’s despicable how many Americans idolize sport players imho.


15 posted on 12/29/2010 10:45:42 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: HerrBlucher
Evil is repeated torture and murder of the helpless just for the fun of it

BS. Murder is reserved to actual people. Those dogs were property. Either you have property rights and can do what you want with your own property or you cant.

That same animal farm mentality allows environmental groups to keep us from drilling and other uses of exploration on private property by companies because something is sacred.

16 posted on 12/29/2010 10:48:31 AM PST by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Zakeet

The NFL is a crap league that loves Obama and smeared Rush Limbaugh as a racist. I cancelled TV a year ago because it all covers for Hussein/Mugabe including Prince Al Waleed’s Fox. I was at a relative’s at Thanksgiving probably 2009 and the NFL ran a 2 minute slow motion film praising Obama. It 2was disgusting and Stalinesque. The NFL is a thug league for felons like the NBA and the MLB is only marginally better.

These ball team owners are usually billionaires who get taxpayers to build their stadiums and the leagues are a monopoly. A bit like a facist league where the public subsidizes billionaires - I guess you like that. O

h and if you speak out on the radio as a conservative you will be branded a racist and you will be blocked from buying a team.

Vick is a piece of garbage and if he had been white he would have never played again. You sound like an Obama apologost.


17 posted on 12/29/2010 10:56:00 AM PST by Frantzie (American TV = owned by the Saudis and elites - keep watching & losing your freedom)
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To: 9YearLurker

Ball team fans are usually idiots.


18 posted on 12/29/2010 10:59:29 AM PST by Frantzie (American TV = owned by the Saudis and elites - keep watching & losing your freedom)
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To: John O

Pete Rose was too old to play baseball at that point.


19 posted on 12/29/2010 11:01:44 AM PST by outpostinmass2
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To: Redbob

Agreed. Ho about the cheerleader at a Texas high school who was raped by one of the football players. He was not punished and she was thrown off the cheer leading squad for not cheering her rapist.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=texas+cheerleader+raped+thrown+off+squad&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Jocks in many cases do get a free pass. Vick is a POS. The NFL fawns over Obama and smeared Rush as a racist.


20 posted on 12/29/2010 11:05:28 AM PST by Frantzie (American TV = owned by the Saudis and elites - keep watching & losing your freedom)
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To: Palter

Ok, torture and killing.

If animals are truly property and the owner of that property has property rights, then all animal cruelty laws are wrong. Do you actually believe that? If so then Vick should have not done any prison time at all. Do you believe that too?

That is just the legal side of this horrible matter. I don’t object to Vick getting out of prison, I object to this vile and disgusting sadist being welcomed back into the loving arms of society. Pro football does not have to take him back regardless of whether he has paid his legal dues. That they have shows how degraded society has become, especially when compared to other sports figures who lost there careers over much less.

Although I can’t stand Cohen, he is at least partially right about the jock comment. When OJ was freed a co worker of mine came up to me smiling and just so happy about what happened. I assumed she believed he was not guilty but I was wrong. When I told her I thought he was guilty and the evidence was overwhelming against him she said, “Ohhh, he won’t do it again.” She loved OJ so much he was allowed a murder or two. This woman was white.

Again, that Vick is welcomed back with open arms into society shows how degraded we have become but actually not nearly as much as the fact that we have a pro infanticide, pro euthanasia death panel ahole for Presdent.


21 posted on 12/29/2010 11:09:42 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: Zakeet
atement: "The real reason Vick got a second chance (cause he's a jock)"

Response: No. Our society favors, the pervert, the felon, the disabled, the defective and those who were outcasts in our pre-1960 society. A great historian in 1888 stated; "that there comes a time in the history of every civilization that the people become so pathogically soft and tender that they actually side with those elements of their society that harms them; i.e. criminals."

22 posted on 12/29/2010 11:09:47 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Zakeet
Vick is currently is the poster boy for someone having done something incredibly stupid, having been punished as a result, and is now successfully using his God-given abilities to turn his life around.

Then why was he in tears apologizing to the Eagles coach?

23 posted on 12/29/2010 11:11:19 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Frantzie

No way, Vick is a very good NFL quarterback. Only because of that does he get a second chance.

He is the epotime of a gifted athlete that gets a free pass on life.

If Vick had a bad season this year he would have been gone. Now half the league are kicking themselves for not signing him. Just wait till he is up for free agency.


24 posted on 12/29/2010 11:11:42 AM PST by outpostinmass2
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To: Zakeet
Vick is probably a sociopath, this particular sport and dog fighting are probably good fits for that particular mental disorder.
25 posted on 12/29/2010 11:12:25 AM PST by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: Redbob

Ithink this should read DOGSHIITE.


26 posted on 12/29/2010 11:15:37 AM PST by certrtwngnut
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To: Colvin

Exactly. Most serial killers start off with animal torture and killing and then move into the big leagues of human torture and killing. Vick is sick and the NFL are pricks for wanting him back. Its completely disgusting.


27 posted on 12/29/2010 11:17:47 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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To: HerrBlucher
If so then Vick should have not done any prison time at all. Do you believe that too?

No, he shouldn't have gone to jail. No, there shouldn't be a Federal Crime for dog fighting.

I dislike what he did. However, I do thinks that would be considered barbaric, cruel and disgusting to many. Mainly, I hunt. I also use dogs when I hunt, coonhunting, boar hunting, etc.

One day, that will be a crime, because we are raising pets now, instead of raising children. Society is using the word murder to describe what Vick did. When that is a sacred to term used to only humans.

I have to defend Vick, because, in the end, without defending what you own or have, you will be limited to what you can do in the future.

28 posted on 12/29/2010 11:18:43 AM PST by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Zakeet

He did his time. What more do people want.

And Obama, why the F can’t he just shut up.

Looks like he jinxed Vick pretty good last night.

And doesn’t look like it will happen, but I wanted to see Vick after the SuperBowl at DisneyLand in Florida with Goofy and Pluto!


29 posted on 12/29/2010 11:23:19 AM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Zakeet

Yup, in the NFL, if you lay golden eggs they will not cook your goose, for anything short of provable murder. Gotta keeps the skids greased.


30 posted on 12/29/2010 11:23:42 AM PST by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: Palter
I have to defend Vick, because, in the end, without defending what you own or have, you will be limited to what you can do in the future.

What are you smoking?

31 posted on 12/29/2010 11:26:16 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: swarthyguy
He did his time. What more do people want.

People want to ensure that children do not look up to this thug as a role model.

32 posted on 12/29/2010 11:28:43 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: 9YearLurker

I agree with your opinion. Now that’s he served his time, I would suggest that he work in an animal shelter that tries to save dogs for a while. It might give him insight to all the horrendous cruelty he and his friends caused.


33 posted on 12/29/2010 11:40:05 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: SeeSac

I am absolutely SICK of people using children as an excuse.

Don’t let the kids watch pro ball.

Don’t treat sports stars as role models.

They provide entertainment.

And considering the amount of crimes done by sports stars, how can any rational person look upon sports stars as role models.

Absurd and idiotic.

Vick’s playing great ball, and enough moralizing about him.

He did his time.


34 posted on 12/29/2010 11:40:17 AM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: SeeSac
People want to ensure that children do not look up to this thug as a role model.

The only way to do that is to persuade the children.

35 posted on 12/29/2010 11:40:53 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: Zakeet

I love these Vick posts. It amazes me that people get so charged up over dogs. If he killed rats or ants, no one would care. Even murderers get a chance to work again and they commit pretty evil acts. People do change—evil people change. Read the story of “Amazing Grace” or the story of any other slave dealer who turned to God. Yet everyone is so quick to claim Vick is irredeemable, or is lying about changing, because he hurt dogs. Only God knows if Vick has changed in his heart. Unless someone posting here owns the Philadelphia Eagles, its not up to us to decide whether or not to hire Vick.


36 posted on 12/29/2010 11:43:42 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: Zakeet

He’s no hero, but he served his time. I screwed up over 20 years ago and I got a second chance. It wasn’t playing Quarterback for an NFL team, but it was a second chance. It happens, more than we know, it just doesn’t make the news.


37 posted on 12/29/2010 11:44:45 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: SeeSac
People want to ensure that children do not look up to this thug as a role model.

That's for parents to do, right?


Runaway Slave

Apostle Claver tells the world how the real party of racism is the Democrats

38 posted on 12/29/2010 11:46:51 AM PST by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: swarthyguy
Vick’s playing great ball, and enough moralizing about him. He did his time.

If Vick was not playing great ball, you would not be here defending him.

39 posted on 12/29/2010 11:47:11 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Zakeet

When the President Calls About the Vick Dogs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2648920/posts

Some folks might just disagree and this is the most eloquently worded version I’ve read so far.


40 posted on 12/29/2010 11:47:36 AM PST by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: swarthyguy

I watched the game last night, too. Looked to me like Vick-the-dog-killer got beaten up pretty good! I don’t think he will be able to play much longer-—


41 posted on 12/29/2010 11:47:37 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: ├čudda├čudd

It’s despicable how many Americans idolize sport players imho.

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Yeah, it’s absolutely freaking amazing what small brains are in the heads of most people. Must be some DNA left over from those attendees and participants in the Roman coliseum (now there was a blood-thirsty bunch)!


42 posted on 12/29/2010 11:48:07 AM PST by DefeatCorruption
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Yet everyone is so quick to claim Vick is irredeemable, or is lying about changing,

Well we do know that he cried and apolgized to the Eagles' coach and others for failing them after they gave him a chance. How many chances do you give the guy? Eight, Nine, Ten ...

43 posted on 12/29/2010 11:49:37 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: basil
I watched the game last night, too. Looked to me like Vick-the-dog-killer got beaten up pretty good! I don’t think he will be able to play much longer-—

Imagine how bad it would have been if the refs had called even a fraction of the Eagles' holds.

44 posted on 12/29/2010 11:51:32 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Zakeet
What more do Libtards want from the guy

I'd be happy to see a video of him being torn apart by a rabid pit bull.

45 posted on 12/29/2010 11:52:52 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Zakeet
This guy is absolutely right. Richard Cohen might be a "liberal loon," but he can be remarkably objective on some issues over time.

If Michael Vick was your average illiterate thug from any number of America's urban rat-holes, he never would have gotten this "second chance."

46 posted on 12/29/2010 11:53:04 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: HIDEK6
The only way to do that is to persuade the children.

And the way to show the children is to make heros of evil people?

47 posted on 12/29/2010 11:53:04 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac

That’s a brilliant insight on your part.

Of course, he’s worth watching and I’ve enjoyed his games because he is good.

You wanna hold this charge against him forever.

Heck, we release all kinds of criminals on parole who’ve committed worse crimes. Against humans, no less.


48 posted on 12/29/2010 11:56:02 AM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: Zakeet
You must be one of the "jock-sniffers" mentioned in the article.

Vick should never have been returned to the NFL.

49 posted on 12/29/2010 11:56:10 AM PST by newzjunkey
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To: swarthyguy
Vick’s playing great ball, and enough moralizing about him.

But it is ok for the Eagles' coach and others in the NFL to call Vick a 'very nice person' ....

50 posted on 12/29/2010 11:58:32 AM PST by SeeSac
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