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Scientist: Climate change to intensify winter weather
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Posted on 12/29/2010 2:25:36 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Scientist: Climate change to intensify winter weather By Andrew Restuccia - 12/29/10 03:01 PM ET

This weekend’s massive blizzard in the Northeast has fueled the fire of climate skepticism that's pervasive in many parts of the United States. If we’re still getting major winter storms, skeptics say, how can the planet be warming?

E2 Wire put that question to Tom Peterson, chief scientist at the National Atmospheric and Oceanic Administration’s National Climatic Data Center.

Peterson said the latest climate change data indicate increases in global temperature result in more intense weather events, including winter storms.

As the planet warms, “frequency of storms will stay the same, but the intensity will increase,” he said.

“Multiple peer-review papers indicate that strong storms are likely to increase. So the climate change is changing the probability of a strong storm occurring,” he said.

Peterson warned that you cannot determine whether climate change is occurring based on an individual weather event. Instead, scientists study climate trends over the course of thousands of years.

“Weather events are pixels in the climate picture. Some are indicative of changes we are experiencing; some simply reflect the variability of weather and climate. As the world continues to warm, heat waves are an example of the former,” he said, while adding that extreme winter weather events are “examples of the latter.”

Peterson also said it’s important to distinguish between weather and climate.

“Weather is one individual event and how that plays out, and climate is the interconnection of those events,” he said.

But, Peterson concluded, “People will use individual events to justify whatever opinion they have on the matter.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: algore; climate; cold; cood; cooling; ipcc; winter
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1 posted on 12/29/2010 2:25:38 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

And would this have been said had this been an unusually mild winter, I wonder?

There is not one peep about colder winters in the IPCC 4th assessment, in fact they say quite the opposite


2 posted on 12/29/2010 2:27:54 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; TenthAmendmentChampion; Clive; scripter; Darnright; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 12/29/2010 2:29:08 PM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: Sub-Driver

When weather moderates they say its warming then when its extreme they say its changing. These global warming asshats need to be fired from their jobs and sued for fraud!


4 posted on 12/29/2010 2:29:15 PM PST by omega4179 (Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius)
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To: Sub-Driver

Weather is not climate. < /AGW weenie >


5 posted on 12/29/2010 2:29:47 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Sub-Driver
The stupid theory goes like this...

Warming NUT: "More warming, more moisture in the air."

Me:" But if the temperature is rising that would mean less snow, right?"

Warming Nut: "We're talking long term trend here on temperature"

Me: "So am I, I learned in Geology class a long time ago that the Earth is still cooling...wouldn't that be a long term trend?"

Warming NUT: "That trend is too long for what were talking about..."

Me: "Huh?"

6 posted on 12/29/2010 2:30:25 PM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Sub-Driver

These people act like we never had weather before algore invented global warming.


7 posted on 12/29/2010 2:31:16 PM PST by farmguy
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To: Sub-Driver
Climate change to intensify winter weather

Yeah . . . yeah . . . intensify the weather . . . that's the ticket

8 posted on 12/29/2010 2:31:27 PM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Sub-Driver

At first blush, shouldn’t “scientist” be in “scare quotes?”


9 posted on 12/29/2010 2:31:34 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: Sub-Driver

Global warming is a religion


10 posted on 12/29/2010 2:32:40 PM PST by thethirddegree
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To: Sub-Driver
But, Peterson concluded, “People will use individual events to justify whatever opinion they have on the matter.”

Just like you, hypocrite.

11 posted on 12/29/2010 2:32:49 PM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: thethirddegree
Global warming is a religion

No, religion is a virtue, Global Warming is a dangerous cult.

12 posted on 12/29/2010 2:33:53 PM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: dsrtsage

Yes, the solid research predicts it, but the IPCC strayed from that to try to push an “upward only” view.


13 posted on 12/29/2010 2:33:58 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: dsrtsage
Back in 2000, one of the chief scientists at East Anglia predicted that snow in the UK would become increasingly rare in future years due to global warming. Now they are saying just the opposite. I thought I saw a "flashback" posted here about his comments and predictions about less snow due to global warming; maybe someone can find that at re-post it.

The bottom line is, whatever the weather does, it will be "climate change" that is a "fault."

14 posted on 12/29/2010 2:36:07 PM PST by JaguarXKE (Life - It's 10 percent circumstances and 90 percent how you react to circumstances - Sarah Palin)
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To: Sub-Driver
As the planet warms, “frequency of storms will stay the same, but the intensity will increase,” he said.

I guess that explains why we haven't had a Cat 5 hurricane in at least five years...and why the predictions from these wind wizards are always way too high.

15 posted on 12/29/2010 2:37:12 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Sub-Driver

I check out N.O.A.A. boueys before going offshore fishing.
Other than these mechanical stations N.O.A.A. lies.


16 posted on 12/29/2010 2:37:27 PM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: farmguy

“These people act like we never had weather before algore invented global warming.”

We never discussed it before Al invented the Internet, either.


17 posted on 12/29/2010 2:37:27 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Sub-Driver

“Weather events are pixels in the climate picture. Some are indicative of changes we are experiencing; some simply reflect the variability of weather and climate. As the world continues to warm, heat waves are an example of the former,” he said, while adding that extreme winter weather events are “examples of the latter.”

So the extreme weather in the form of a heat wave is just weather, but extreme weather in the form of a snowstorm is AGW?

W...T...F????


18 posted on 12/29/2010 2:37:40 PM PST by Free Vulcan (The cult of Islam must be eradicated by any means necessary.)
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To: Sub-Driver
“Weather events are pixels in the climate picture. Some are indicative of changes we are experiencing; some simply reflect the variability of weather and climate. As the world continues to warm, heat waves are an example of the former,” he said, while adding that extreme winter weather events are “examples of the latter.”


19 posted on 12/29/2010 2:38:07 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Tralala boom-dee-aye!)
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To: Sub-Driver
Scientist: Climate change to intensify winter weather


20 posted on 12/29/2010 2:39:12 PM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Sub-Driver

Where do you even start with anti-scientific claptrap like this?

Who ya gonna believe, ALGore, or your own eyes?


21 posted on 12/29/2010 2:39:36 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: Sub-Driver

No one with at least a room temperature IQ is buying this AGW garbage any longer. Which explains why so many liberals ARE buying it.


22 posted on 12/29/2010 2:40:41 PM PST by Signalman
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To: farmguy
These people act like we never had weather before algore invented global warming.

I can show these nuts many of my family's home movies from back in the late 50s where the snow is 3ft deep. The storm we got here in New England this week is nothing new at all. They've been hitting us for centuries.

23 posted on 12/29/2010 2:41:26 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Inspiration. The momentary cessation of stupidity.)
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To: JaguarXKE; All

The terrible flooding in Pakistan was attributed to hotter air holding more moisture and then hitting the Himalayas. They did have some extremely hot weather this year. I have lived in the mid-Atlantic region for 50 years. Last winter and this are colder than the past 10, but by no means as cold as I remember from 20 to 50 years ago. Also, this summer was record breaking for its heat. All I know is that the worldwide weather the past two years has been unusually severe, with no volcano to explain it like Pinatubo. That one in Iceland was not anywhere near as big.


24 posted on 12/29/2010 2:43:33 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Sub-Driver
Ah, but ‘global warming’ caused by carbon emissions, was suppose to create a “greenhouse effect” which melted the polar ice caps...this hasn't happened. Also, Europe was never suppose to have snow again.

Children were going to grow up never to see snow...THAT is what the “climatologists” stated. We have proof of what they said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

“Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community”......”According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.

“Children just aren't going to know what snow is,” he said.”

Calling David Viner! Calling David Viner!

25 posted on 12/29/2010 2:44:51 PM PST by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: omega4179
These global warming asshats need to be fired from their jobs and sued for fraud!

While you and others apparently think this is a game Obama and his band of traitors are using the EPA to drive electric prices through the roof by attacking CO2 polluters.

It's not about global temperature change, it's about getting idiots like Lyndsey Graham to buy into laws that take money from YOU and using those dollars to enslave you.

Wake UP!

26 posted on 12/29/2010 2:45:00 PM PST by politicianslie (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
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To: Sub-Driver
Peterson said the latest climate change data indicate increases in global temperature result in more intense weather events, including winter storms.

I have maintained for quite sometime that our means of obtaining detailed data has far outstripped our ability to organize that data into any sort of coherent package...alchemy, witchcraft, and sorcery all rolled into one package...man made global climate change(which used to be called man made global warming).
27 posted on 12/29/2010 2:46:13 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: Sub-Driver

...there are worms crawling through the BS they’re trying to feed us.

Are you going to eat it?

Temps go up? Global Warming.
Temps go down? Global Warming.
No change? Global Warming.

NONE of these people forecast cold. It was supposed to get warmer and warmer and warmer. Now with the exact opposite happening, they tell us they’re not wrong - it just proves their theory.

Give me a break please.


28 posted on 12/29/2010 2:46:20 PM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: Sub-Driver

He’s lying. If he doesn’t know that this winter’s weather is very typical of a La Nina he’s no scientist and should be fired from NOAA.


29 posted on 12/29/2010 2:46:38 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: tuckrdout

So, greenhouse [effect] is all about carbon dioxide, right?

In simple terms the bulk of Earth’s greenhouse effect is due to water vapor by virtue of its abundance. Water accounts for about 90% of the Earth’s greenhouse effect — perhaps 70% is due to water vapor and about 20% due to clouds (mostly water droplets), some estimates put water as high as 95% of Earth’s total tropospheric greenhouse effect (e.g., Freidenreich and Ramaswamy, ‘Solar Radiation Absorption by Carbon Dioxide, Overlap with Water, and a Parameterization for General Circulation Models,’ Journal of Geophysical Research 98 (1993):7255-7264).

The remaining portion comes from carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, methane, ozone and miscellaneous other ‘minor greenhouse gases.’ As an example of the relative importance of water it should be noted that changes in the relative humidity on the order of 1.3-4% are equivalent to the effect of doubling CO2.
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Water vapor constitutes Earth’s most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth’s greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many ‘facts and figures’ regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.
Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC’s, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small— perhaps undetectable— effect on global climate.
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html


30 posted on 12/29/2010 2:46:38 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Sub-Driver
But, Peterson concluded, “People will use individual events to justify whatever opinion they have on the matter.”

You mean like when they show charts of temperature variations for tiny, carefully selected periods of time rather than showing the charts for thousands or millions of years?

31 posted on 12/29/2010 3:00:20 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Sub-Driver
THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

ABSTRACT:

"Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere [historically] is the product of oceanic respiration due to the well-known but under-appreciated solubility pump. Carbon dioxide rises out of warm ocean waters where it is added to the atmosphere. There it is mixed with residual and accidental CO2, and circulated, to be absorbed into the sink of the cold ocean waters. Next the thermohaline circulation carries the CO2-rich sea water deep into the ocean. A millennium later it appears at the surface in warm waters, saturated by lower pressure and higher temperature, to be exhausted back into the atmosphere. Throughout the past 420 millennia, comprising four interglacial periods, the Vostok record of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is imprinted with, and fully characterized by, the physics of the solubility of CO2 in water, along with the lag in the deep ocean circulation.

Notwithstanding that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, atmospheric carbon dioxide has neither caused nor amplified global temperature increases. Increased carbon dioxide has been an effect of global warming, not a cause [historically -etl]. Technically, carbon dioxide is a lagging proxy for ocean temperatures. When global temperature, and along with it, ocean temperature rises, the physics of solubility causes atmospheric CO2 to increase.

If increases in carbon dioxide, or any other greenhouse gas, could have in turn raised global temperatures, the positive feedback would have been catastrophic. While the conditions for such a catastrophe were present in the Vostok record from natural causes, the runaway event did not occur. Carbon dioxide does not accumulate in the atmosphere."

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html
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32 posted on 12/29/2010 3:03:26 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Sub-Driver

Does this dumb son of a bitch live in an alternate universe?

He should be ashamed to show his face in public after making such idiotic statements.

He much be the lowest in seniority around the office, and he’s the poor underling they trotted out to look like a fool this week.


33 posted on 12/29/2010 3:04:29 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Sub-Driver
Climate change to intensify winter weather unless it doesn't...
34 posted on 12/29/2010 3:06:07 PM PST by SteamShovel (Beware the RINO-VIRUS...It will kill the TEA Party movement.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I grow so weary of these nimrods. When will they have the humility to admit they don’t know what they’re talking about, and have no clue how to control the planet — and thus have no grounds to try to convince the rest of us to lay down our liberties for their schemes. Which, at bottom, is all this is about. Power.


35 posted on 12/29/2010 3:06:50 PM PST by Publius Maximus (God, please let 2012 come quickly...)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Thanks for forwarding those 2 excerpts on. I found them a couple of years ago.


36 posted on 12/29/2010 3:08:59 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Sub-Driver

Global Warming Skeptic Predicts Brutal Winter, Warns “You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/global-warming-skeptic-predicts-brutal-winter-warns-you-aint-seen-nothing-yet/


37 posted on 12/29/2010 3:11:11 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Sub-Driver

first they say that global warming will end winters and that snow will be a thing of the past... then when that doesn’t happen, they change their mind and say, that um... well.... what we meant to say is that climate change will make winters even worse!

lol

These people are nothing but con artists that need to be prosecuted and thrown in jail for this scam


38 posted on 12/29/2010 3:11:19 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: ETL

Anything to debunk the warm-mongers.


39 posted on 12/29/2010 3:14:43 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Sub-Driver

Who could possibly believe this cr*pola?


40 posted on 12/29/2010 3:16:56 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: Sub-Driver
The Global Warming Marxists are going absolutely off the deep end to hold on to the last shreds of credibility remaining amongst the most gullible sheeple. Soon, we'll be told that unusually cool summers are a result of Global Warming. The planet is getting colder so it must be Global Warming. War is peace... Love is hate... Ignorance is bliss. This is the same double speak that Marxists the world over have employed from the very start. Move along folks, nothing to see here but the same old Socialist drivel.
41 posted on 12/29/2010 3:17:36 PM PST by Desron13
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To: JaguarXKE

“Peterson warned that you cannot determine whether climate change is occurring based on an individual weather event. Instead, scientists study climate trends over the course of thousands of years.”

There’s the real problem. Thousands of years are way too short to pick up on the real cycles that may affect climate. No one has even thought about our Sun’s path around the galactic center much less the Sun itself.

There’s a reason our ancestors worshiped the Sun god.


42 posted on 12/29/2010 3:22:07 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: WOBBLY BOB

I meant to say I found the articles. I created the excerpts myself. In any case, it is amazing how so few people, thanks largely to leftwing-biased media and academia, know that the overwhelmingly most significant greenhouse gas is simple water vapor, accounting for something like 95% of the effect! Details at the links.


43 posted on 12/29/2010 3:22:55 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Sub-Driver

So when we had droughts during the dust bowl I assume that was due to global cooling.

But wasn’t pollution worse then?

Am I missing something?


44 posted on 12/29/2010 3:38:03 PM PST by mykroar (I believe in the simplistic notion that people who have wealth are entitled to keep it.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I never understood why warming=bad weather.

The original GW theory states that the poles are warming at a faster rate than the equator. Ok, this means the differential in temperature between the poles and equator is reduced. So when cold fronts from the poles collide with warm fronts, the weather should gradually get milder.

So even if you do buy their CO2 garbage, the net effect should be the reverse of what they are saying. Its just so cavemanlike and unprovable (perfect for public school teachers to ‘learn’ and use to indoctrnate):

Man make CO2 (especially evil white man)

CO2 retain heat

More heat=bad weather

How? Why?


45 posted on 12/29/2010 3:40:13 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Signalman
No one with at least a room temperature IQ is buying this AGW garbage any longer. Which explains why so many liberals ARE buying it.

But it's science.

How else will we survive the guilt ?

46 posted on 12/29/2010 3:45:42 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: tuckrdout
Children were going to grow up never to see snow...THAT is what the “climatologists” stated.

Yup. Two of my great-granddaughters live in Florida, and they were delighted to see the sleet, snow, slush ... whatever it was that fell on Jax.

47 posted on 12/29/2010 3:51:09 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Gondring
And don't forget the email fiasco.

If Global warming, climate change-and now as 0 calls it "global climate disruption" had any validity, they wouldn't have to change the name every other day.

Same with Democrats, Libs, Progressives...

The whole bunch of them are phony phackers!

48 posted on 12/29/2010 3:51:11 PM PST by skimbell
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To: Publius Maximus
I grow so weary of these nimrods. When will they have the humility to admit they don’t know what they’re talking about, and have no clue how to control the planet — and thus have no grounds to try to convince the rest of us to lay down our liberties for their schemes. Which, at bottom, is all this is about. Power.

Their grants are dependent upon there being an AGW crisis. No crisis = no funding. These guys are too old to be considering new careers in used auto sales. They will NEVER admit they're wrong, just as Baghdad Bob never admitted he was talking bullshit. When Bob's position became untenable, he just went home.

49 posted on 12/29/2010 3:59:59 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: lacrew
The original GW theory states that the poles are warming at a faster rate than the equator. Ok, this means the differential in temperature between the poles and equator is reduced. So when cold fronts from the poles collide with warm fronts, the weather should gradually get milder.

Whereas if things are getting cooler, the Arctic will be getting colder, and the temperature difference will drive more violent winter storms. Which is what we're seeing.

50 posted on 12/29/2010 4:04:55 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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