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Fury Over BBC's Nativity Insult
Express UK ^ | 12.29.10 | David Stephenson

Posted on 12/29/2010 7:50:37 PM PST by Coleus

THE BBC has angered Christians with a TV drama in which the Virgin Mary is branded a prostitute and sex cheat. In The Nativity, written by EastEnders scriptwriter Tony Jordan, 15-year-old Mary is attacked by people who do not believe her claim that she is pregnant by the Holy Spirit. Her husband Joseph accuses her of “whoring” and even suggests that her pregnancy might have been the result of rape.

The Church of England has described the four-part drama, which goes out before the 9pm watershed from tomorrow, as “a gritty interpretation”. But Stephen Green, of the ministry Christian Voice, said: “There is no justification for any of this in the gospels. They do say Joseph was suspicious, but that was it. “It doesn’t suggest any physical or verbal abuse. “It’s typical of the fertile imagination you need for something like EastEnders.

“The kids that do nativity plays in school will be perplexed that someone has come up with this revisionist, puerile idea. “The BBC can’t help themselves. Three quarters of our population are Christian. At the BBC, this proportion is reversed. “You have a huge proportion of militant, liberal atheists who are keen to dump on Christianity.

“They wouldn’t mock the birth of Muhammad , or anything to do with his life story. They wouldn’t ridicule Hinduism or Sikhism, but Christianity is their big target.” Defending the drama, Mr Jordan, 52, said: “The story is told using modern language and the characters have modern attitudes. “Personally, I believe in the immaculate conception but I think it’s perfectly understand­able if people struggle with the concept. I think the questions asked in our drama are the kind that any man watching a prime-time TV drama in 2010 would quite reasonably ask.

“I think it perfectly believable that Joseph should get angry with his betrothed and only agree to take her with him to Bethlehem when she risks being stoned by angry neighbours. “If my own wife came to me and said: ‘Tony, I’m having a baby which isn’t yours but, don’t worry, I was visited by the Angel Gabriel and it’s actually God’s baby,’ I think I would feel more than a little miffed.”

“Don’t forget that those who wrote the gospels were doing so from a distance of 200 years. I am doing the same thing – interpreting an event that took place a long time ago – and I don’t see why my version of the story shouldn’t be valid, too.” Actress Tatiana Maslany, 25, who plays Mary, said: “If you took the names Mary and Joseph out, it could be a story about any two people in love.

“It isn’t so much about the belief in God, but the belief in enduring love, in love that can hold people together even in the most difficult circumstances.” Garrow’s Law star Andrew Buchan, who plays Joseph, said: “Joseph is a real man in our story. He’s like a guy in 2010 who goes away and comes back to find his wife or girlfriend pregnant.

“Of course he’s going to think she has slept with another guy and challenge her.” A Church of England spokesman said: “Tony Jordan’s adaptation presents a gritty interpretation of the events of the first Christmas. “We hope it will bring home the story of Jesus being born in a humble stable to many new ­viewers.”


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1 posted on 12/29/2010 7:50:38 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

So the BBC is putting on a teleplay that coincides with Hitler’s views of Mary and the birth of Jesus.

Way to go! [sarcasm off]


2 posted on 12/29/2010 7:54:20 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Coleus

Can’t wait ‘til these ankle biters do the story of Mohamed. Of course that will be done with the utmost respect.


3 posted on 12/29/2010 7:55:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: Coleus

I can’t wait for their Mohamed was a Pedophile show.


4 posted on 12/29/2010 7:57:01 PM PST by BallyBill (WARNING:Taking me serious could cause stress related illness.)
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To: Coleus
Don’t forget that those who wrote the gospels were doing so from a distance of 200 years.

One of the oldest lies about the Bible...

5 posted on 12/29/2010 7:59:01 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Coleus
“Don’t forget that those who wrote the gospels were doing so from a distance of 200 years."

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6 posted on 12/29/2010 8:00:09 PM PST by iowamark
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To: Coleus

A reminder that not all Barbarians were civilized. Pity.


7 posted on 12/29/2010 8:00:32 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Coleus

Diversity: Insult Christians, exult Muslims - that’s the Liberal ticket today!

The UK, and other associated Commies (EU, USA) are destined to suffer at the Just Hand Of God Almighty in the very near future - you can take that to the “bank”
Christians who remain stead fast in their Faith shall be rewarded with eternal life, through the Kingship Of Christ, IMHO


8 posted on 12/29/2010 8:04:13 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: Coleus

I don’t think this dumbass knows what the Immaculate Conception is. He seems to be using the term to refer to Mary conceiving Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit.


9 posted on 12/29/2010 8:06:46 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: Coleus

I think the questions asked in our drama are the kind that any man watching a prime-time TV drama in 2010 would quite reasonably ask.
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Except it doesnt take place in 2010...

and wheres Joseph’s cell phone ??? His DonkeyMobile ???

Wheres the TSA that Mary must pass for her pat down to get on the plane for Bethlehem ???


10 posted on 12/29/2010 8:13:53 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Coleus

From the description, I can’t judge whether the portrayal is offensive or not. It all turns on whether in the end the drama makes clear that Jesus was “incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary” as the Creed says, and whether in the later episodes Joseph is persuaded that the child is of the Holy Spirit. After all the hymnography of the First of the Royal Hours of the Nativity includes the sticheron:

Joseph spoke thus to the Virgin: “What is this doing, O Mary, that I see in thee? I fail to understand and am amazed, and my mind is struck with dismay. Go from my sight, therefore, with all speed. What is this doing, O Mary, that I see in thee? Instead of honor, thou hast brought me shame; instead of gladness, sorrow; instead of praise, reproof. No further shall I bear the reproach of men. I received thee from the priests of the temple, as one blameless before the Lord. And what is this that I now see?”

(The Royal Hours are the morning service appointed in the Orthodox Church for the Vigil (Eve) of Christmas and Theophany and for Good Friday. The service was originally instituted so the Emperor could hear the Hours on those occasions without interrupting the affairs of state four times during the day, and consists of the prayers of the hours with some psalms replaced with others more appropriate to the feast, readings from the Old Testament, Epistles and Gospel added to each hour and some extra hymns, one of which I quoted in its entirety.)


11 posted on 12/29/2010 8:14:31 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Coleus

Well, Jordan’s adaptation has secured him a place in hell.


12 posted on 12/29/2010 8:16:37 PM PST by citizencon
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To: Coleus

Christmas is the atheists busiest time of the year.

Pray for the Tea Party Congress


13 posted on 12/29/2010 8:18:47 PM PST by bray (Sarah Palin will destroy the Repub Party, hopefully!)
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To: iowamark
“Don’t forget that those who wrote the gospels were doing so from a distance of 200 years."

Bloody silly assertion. It's obvious that St. Luke interviewed the Virgin Mary--Holy Tradition says that he even "wrote" several icons of her from life, one, a small icon carved in mastic overlaid on wood, is preserved in the Monastery of Simonas Petras on Mount Athos.

Now it is true that the oldest extant manuscript of the Gospels date to about 200 A.D.

14 posted on 12/29/2010 8:20:10 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Coleus

I will quietly wait until this purposeful provocation gets the same response as the cartoons of Mohammad. Waiting.


15 posted on 12/29/2010 8:25:12 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...

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16 posted on 12/29/2010 8:28:05 PM PST by Coleus (The Immaculate Conception: O Mary, conceived without sin, Pray for us, who have recourse to Thee)
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To: Coleus

Wow. I guess what my Brit friend says is true. Jesus was not born in Great Britain because they couldn’t find 3 wise men.


17 posted on 12/29/2010 8:44:00 PM PST by madamemayhem (defeat is not getting knocked down, it is not getting back up.)
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To: Coleus

Shades of Sam Kinnisson


18 posted on 12/29/2010 9:18:30 PM PST by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: Coleus

I wouldn’t worry: if this was the one I downloaded, it’s boring. Without publicity no one will watch it.

And Mary did risk being called a prostitute for being pregnant.

The only insulting part is the miscasting of the Mary character: Mary is not believable. I’ve lived in the third world rural areas for much of my life, and the actress acted like a 20 something 20th century city girl.

At least in the movie “the Nativity”, it was boring, but the actress was believable as a glowing, teen aged Mary.


19 posted on 12/29/2010 10:20:01 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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I’m sure the bombings are beheadings will happen any minute....any minute now.....


20 posted on 12/30/2010 2:00:28 AM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Coleus; 0beron; cobyok; surroundedbyblue; shurwouldluv_a_smallergov; Judith Anne; PadreL; ...

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21 posted on 12/30/2010 2:24:18 AM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Coleus
The BBC has angered Christians with a TV drama in which the Virgin Mary is branded a prostitute and sex cheat.

The way to properly deal with the BBC is simply don't watch. They will go away just like media in the United States.

“Don’t forget that those who wrote the gospels were doing so from a distance of 200 years.

I always understood the synoptic gospels were written much earlier with Mark about 45 (Year of our Lord) and Matthew and Luke at about 60 (Anno Domini). Now this means lots of friends and neighbors were still extant.

John (my personal favorite) took more investigative reporting, although I suspect John was a better reporter than anyone hired by the BBC. Anyway, John published his story at about 90, so many of his sources were still first hand.

22 posted on 12/30/2010 4:30:37 AM PST by stevem
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To: Coleus
Don’t forget that those who wrote the gospels were doing so from a distance of 200 years.

Simply not a fact. In fact, a bold telling of a big lie that absolutely violates the truth that the gospels were the in-their-lifetime record of the Apostles and/or their amanuensis.

Why in the word is it considered "daring" to denigrate those who will not strike back at you?

Next, we'll hear them applauding their courage for taking advantage of little kids. They, too, can't strike back.

23 posted on 12/30/2010 4:38:17 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Coleus
Actress Tatiana Maslany, 25, who plays Mary, said: “If you took the names Mary and Joseph out, it could be a story about any two people in love.
Just goes to show you how abysmally stupid the average "actress" is.
24 posted on 12/30/2010 4:41:24 AM PST by samtheman
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To: The_Reader_David
RD, I read that a papyrologist named Thiede has found fragments of Greek texts in the caves at Qumran from the New Testament – specifically 7Q5 [from "Mark"] and P46 [from "Matthew"] – and datable to before the 60s AD. People who date these things post-70 AD do so by imposing their unsupported assumption that the prophecies about the first Jewish War, thr destruction of the Temple, and persecution in its wake mentioned in the Gospels must have been written after those events, i.e. they insisted a priori that prophecies could not have been prophecies.

The critical date is 49 AD, since Claudius expelled all Jews from Rome (Christian and non-Christian Jews) at that date. John Mark was a Jew so he hardly stayed behind if Peter was expelled at this time. The earliest time for their return was after Claudius died in 54 AD. Apparently the Gospel of Mark is from this period and very likely written in Rome, or at least for Jewish-diaspora Latin speakers since it has so many Latinisms in the text; and was very probably sourced from Pater, for whom Mark acted as scribe.

I am by no means an expert on these details. It's just what I've read.

25 posted on 12/30/2010 5:30:34 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Behold, all generations will call me Blessed; for He who is Mighty has done great things for me.")
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To: bray

Just goes to show, without God, they’re lost. If they didn’t have him to attack, what would they do?

They prove his existence more stridently than any timid, ‘I wouldn’t want to insult ________, ‘All ways are the same’, no one will go to hell, fellow Christian brothers and sisters.


26 posted on 12/30/2010 7:15:41 AM PST by AliVeritas (Pray. For all the latest, check out: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/)
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To: Coleus

The old Talmudic hatred is the only thing being ‘updated’ here.


27 posted on 12/30/2010 7:18:03 AM PST by BonRad (Ut Roma cadit, sic omnis terra [As Rome falls, so the entire world])
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To: Coleus
" 'Jordan's adaptation presents a gritty interpretation of the events of the first Christmas', a CHURCH OF ENGLAND SPOKESMAN said, 'We hope it will bring home the story of Jesus being born in a humble stable to many new viewers.' "

These asinine words by a church leader, no less, is pathetic on so many levels. Weak, spineless, foppish, fearful and scarcely a statement delivered by a bible-believing Defender of the Faith.

No wonder the Church of England is losing membership head-over-heels. So much so that if present trends continue, by 2050, attendees at Sunday services is predicted to be approximately 88,000.....NATIONWIDE!

And if the Church's timorous leaders had been doing their jobs, the fact that Jesus was born in a humble stable should not be touted as a brand new revelation "brought home" to "new BBC viewers" watching this blasphemous program.

Good grief! Are there no more St. George's left in Christendom?

Leni

28 posted on 12/30/2010 7:51:38 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Coleus
“Tony Jordan’s adaptation presents a gritty interpretation of the events of the first Christmas."

The guy misspelled it. That "gr" should be sh.

Somebody (or several somebodies) at BBC should be fired.

29 posted on 12/30/2010 7:57:26 AM PST by jimt
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To: BallyBill
C'mon, show some sensitivity.

Mohamed married his 7 year old girlfriend so, of course it's not OK to call him a pedophile.

30 posted on 12/30/2010 8:04:40 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Oh, that’s exciting. I didn’t know there were any New Testament texts, even fragmentary ones at Qumran. I was citing the date for the oldest complete manuscripts.


31 posted on 12/30/2010 9:58:19 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David
Hmm.. like I said, I'm no authority.

Mousing around a bit, I found this explanation in Wikipedia(Link) (which is no authority either!) which says that the fragment, which is only about the size of a postage stamp and has less than 20 legible letters on it, only "might" be from Mark, and only "might" be that early.

Of course, discoverer Thiede argues otherwise; there are pro's and con's elsewhere on the Internet; and controversy will never cease!

32 posted on 12/30/2010 11:39:37 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up." ~ Lily Tomlin)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Nice catch on your part. I think that that is exactly what this blithering idiot is referring to. The conception of our Lord is not referred to as the “Immaculate Conception”. I don’t even think that that term was used by the Church until after the miracle at Lourdes for crying out loud!


33 posted on 01/02/2011 6:16:19 PM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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