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China preparing for armed conflict 'in every direction'
The Telegraph ^ | 12/29/2010 | Peter Foster, Beijing

Posted on 12/29/2010 9:10:15 PM PST by bruinbirdman

China is preparing for conflict 'in every direction', the defence minister said on Wednesday in remarks that threaten to overshadow a visit to Beijing by his US counterpart next month.

"In the coming five years, our military will push forward preparations for military conflict in every strategic direction," said Liang Guanglie in an interview published by several state-backed newspapers in China. "We may be living in peaceful times, but we can never forget war, never send the horses south or put the bayonets and guns away," Mr Liang added.

China repeatedly says it is planning a "peaceful rise" but the recent pace and scale of its military modernisation has alarmed many of its neighbours in the Asia-Pacific, including Japan which described China's military build-up as a "global concern" this month.

Mr Liang's remarks come at a time of increasingly difficult relations between the Chinese and US armed forces which a three-day visit by his counterpart Robert Gates is intended to address. A year ago China froze substantive military relations in protest at US arms sales to Taiwan and relations deteriorated further this summer when China objected to US plans to deploy one of its nuclear supercarriers, the USS George Washington, into the Yellow Sea off the Korean peninsula.

China also announced this month that it was preparing to launch its own aircraft carrier next year in a signal that China is determined to punch its weight as a rising superpower. The news came a year earlier than many US defence analysts had predicted.

China is also working on a "carrier-killing" ballistic missile that could sink US carriers from afar, fundamentally reordering the balance of power in a region that has been dominated by the US since the end of the Second World War.

US Navy commander, Admiral

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armed; china; conflict; direction; every; preparing

1 posted on 12/29/2010 9:10:16 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Psssssst, hey Vlad, you wanna know a secret?


2 posted on 12/29/2010 9:17:59 PM PST by biff
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To: bruinbirdman

Well, since they are planning it, maybe they should get it. Russia from the north, india form the south, japan/korea/taiwan from the east, uighurs and tibetans from within, and USA from afghanistan.


3 posted on 12/29/2010 9:21:26 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: bruinbirdman

Their buildup and modernization continues. There’s nothing to stop them.

Sun Tzu said “exercise diplomacy to the maximum extent possible while preparing for war against adversary”.


4 posted on 12/29/2010 9:23:39 PM PST by Tea Party Reveler
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To: bruinbirdman

USA is going to dig straight thru the earth to China and attack them from underneath.


5 posted on 12/29/2010 9:25:44 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: bruinbirdman

Ordnance and equipment paid for in full with American dollars buying Chinese junk.

Not that we have much choice...


6 posted on 12/29/2010 9:27:55 PM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: bruinbirdman

Cut off their oil supplies and where are they?


7 posted on 12/29/2010 9:39:25 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: bruinbirdman

When you provoke war in every direction you ought to prepare for war from every direction. I am hard pressed to think of any country that has any serious intentions of initiating a war with China. Whatever trouble that comes to the ChiComs is of their own making.


8 posted on 12/29/2010 9:56:36 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Tea Party Reveler
There’s nothing to stop them.

Oh balderdash. The same global force alliances that stopped the NORKs and the Crazy Mullahs from building nuclear bombs will stop the Chinese.

9 posted on 12/29/2010 10:00:52 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: bruinbirdman

There was this kind of war drum beating rhetoric coming out of a country in the 1930’s also.


10 posted on 12/29/2010 10:08:33 PM PST by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
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To: bruinbirdman

China is preparing to be a Conqueror. Taiwan is to be the appetizer, then SEA. China will take on Japan and the US in time.
We need to do some serious practicing for this with the saracens and make some examples for the edification of the Chinese.


11 posted on 12/29/2010 10:12:40 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: ReneeLynn

Cut off their oil supplies and where are they?

Where Japan was in 1940?


12 posted on 12/29/2010 10:14:26 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: bruinbirdman
Meanwhile......


13 posted on 12/29/2010 10:16:40 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: arthurus

“China is preparing to be a Conqueror. Taiwan is to be the appetizer, then SEA. China will take on Japan and the US in time.”

China won’t attack America. Else who’d buy all that Chinese plastic crap?


14 posted on 12/29/2010 10:19:22 PM PST by Longdriver
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To: Longdriver
"who’d buy all that Chinese plastic crap?"

Brazil, India, Europe, to name a few.
15 posted on 12/29/2010 10:23:12 PM PST by indthkr
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To: bruinbirdman

Of course they are preparing...anyone who understands history always knows progressives create global war, they love it and they love people getting killed - after all it is their sick way of eliminating large chunks of the population.

When will mankind ever learn?


16 posted on 12/29/2010 10:28:07 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: mylife

Good one!!


17 posted on 12/29/2010 10:30:43 PM PST by Imnidiot (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: bruinbirdman

Drop a few nukes on them and get rid of the pestilence.


18 posted on 12/29/2010 10:34:37 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: arthurus

(Read Hazlitt’s “Economics In One Lesson.”)

####

Just starting Chapter XVI.

Always good to refresh one’s knowledge of the Austrian School.


19 posted on 12/29/2010 10:36:11 PM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: bruinbirdman

in every direction?

Good luck with that!


20 posted on 12/29/2010 10:53:43 PM PST by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: bruinbirdman

I am more concerned about them holding paper on our debt then their tanks. Their military will most likely be better at fighting internal enemies then external. The Chinese citizens are more likely to ever die at the hands of the Chinese military, then we are.


21 posted on 12/29/2010 11:03:11 PM PST by dog breath
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To: bruinbirdman

Please stop posting the China bashing pieces. Don’t you know that China is our friend.

I’m going to have to send the “free trade police” to pay you a visit for a little “talk”.

And when the Chinese decide to re-unite with their Taiwanese brothers, just stay out of their way. We can’t have any unpleasantness interfering with the “free trade” we currently benefit from.

Get it right next time!


22 posted on 12/29/2010 11:17:08 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: Longdriver

The rulers there are using all that plastic crap to get US resources with which they mean to become a proper empire. After that people’s prosperity will be irrelevant. They don’t need it any more. They can go back to being China as China has been for millennia.


23 posted on 12/29/2010 11:21:00 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: magslinger

ping


24 posted on 12/29/2010 11:22:16 PM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: EyeGuy

It doesn’t really teach economics per se. It teaches how to think economically. It is great to make your kids read it. I made my 4 each read it twice, once in seventh grade and once in high school. However rebellious they got and whatever utopian schemes they are exposed to they can hear no scheme for improvement of the society without thinking “and then...” They are immune to Leftism. I wasn’t and had to go through a painful recovery period. I keep a stack of HH books to give away to promising youths. Hazlitt’s book is sort of economic prophylaxis.


25 posted on 12/29/2010 11:31:07 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: bruinbirdman

There are many who are making light of this but this is just an excuse to build up their military and lining us all up in their sights. They see the US, under the usurper, as weak and now is the best time in recent US history to try something.


26 posted on 12/29/2010 11:35:18 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: NeverForgetBataan
"Please stop posting the China bashing pieces."

OK. Here is the ChiCom's big secret, constructed inland of Shanghai. Find it at

latitude 31° 6'19.89"N
longitude 121° 0'49.50"E

共產黨的飛機船舶

yitbos

27 posted on 12/30/2010 12:10:06 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: bgill
"this is just an excuse to build up their military "

See #27

yitbos

28 posted on 12/30/2010 12:12:27 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Longdriver

They will attack the USA if they think they can win. And I think they can win. They attack Taiwan, we send in a fleet, they sink it with drones, subs or rockets—and threaten to take out all west coast cities if we go nuke. We could lose (with an Obama in the White House) and have to pull out of Asia—maybe even give China American Samoa, Guam, etc... Maybe even give Hawaii up (let her go back to being a Neutral Kingdom —and a Chinese protectorate). With us gone, they could take out India—then force Japan to go Communist and play second fiddle to China. It could happen.


29 posted on 12/30/2010 2:24:10 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: bruinbirdman

What readers don’t see...

Dongfeng 21 - 500 kT nuclear warhead, up to 2,500 km range.

That’s why so much fuel has been spewed in the skies over the past few weeks. Also, for several years, China has had mobiles that can launch on any point in the USA.

Our universities have educated PLA students for several decades, and on trade, well, you know enough of the rest.


30 posted on 12/30/2010 2:42:36 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: bruinbirdman

There’s a sub-launched variant of that, too, BTW.


31 posted on 12/30/2010 2:44:04 AM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: familyop
"Our universities have educated PLA students for several decades, and on trade, well, you know enough of the rest. "

Yep, Klinton opened the nuclear labs (miniaturization, neutron bomb) to them and let Loral give them the tech for MIRVs

yitbos

32 posted on 12/30/2010 2:52:17 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: EyeGuy

ping to read later. thanks for the book recommendation.


33 posted on 12/30/2010 5:45:31 AM PST by June2
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To: Jeff Head

China is still apparently being run by the ghosts of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.


34 posted on 12/30/2010 4:59:36 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: TigersEye
Whatever trouble that comes to the ChiComs is of their own making.

China won't start a war. And I firmly believe that.

35 posted on 12/31/2010 4:50:17 PM PST by ponder life
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To: mamelukesabre
Well, since they are planning it, maybe they should get it. Russia from the north, india form the south, japan/korea/taiwan from the east, uighurs and tibetans from within, and USA from afghanistan.

I suppose you better start today when the group of countries you mentioned would still have the upper hand. Because in about 20 years of further Chinese military development the sides would be about equal ;) In 30 years, you may need to add the European Union into the group you mentioned to be a fair fight ;)

36 posted on 12/31/2010 4:58:57 PM PST by ponder life
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To: ponder life

ha

what good do you think the EU will be in 30 years?


37 posted on 12/31/2010 5:24:03 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: ponder life

What ChiCom trolls believe is of no consequence to me or to reality. ;-)


38 posted on 12/31/2010 8:44:29 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: mamelukesabre
what good do you think the EU will be in 30 years?

Yes, in a way, you are right. The EU continues to cut military expenditures. Its part of the price to maintain a high standard of living, while still having generous entitlement programs into retirement. The EU will still have a high tech first world military by then, but smaller in overall size.

39 posted on 01/02/2011 12:58:02 PM PST by ponder life
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To: TigersEye
What ChiCom trolls believe is of no consequence to me or to reality. ;-)

Well, I've been here on the FR for over 10 years. And so far, I have been right, China has not started conflict with anyone. China fully understands, that her strength lies in peace time economics.

Lets look at Russia and China in an all out war. Russia, overall, still has the upper hand, when taking in account Russia's nuclear arsenal. That won't last forever of course, but in the mean time, in this regard, Russia has the upper hand.

But in a world of peace time economics, the Russians feel steam rolled by the Chinese. China is 10 times larger than Russia, so of course, they are going to feel steam rolled. And why would China enter into a realm, i.e., "war", where she would not have the upper hand.

And once China gets the upper hand, in both military and a continued economic growth, why would she then throw it all away by risking war with others. Isn't it smarter to let other countries go to war while China uses her huge population to participate in global economics?

So, you may not respect my point of view, but in the end, you will see that I am right ;)

In the 1990's and into the 2000's, there were strong nationalistic feelings in China. However, those nationalistic feelings are actually begining to subside as China sees herself as a more powerful country. Nationalism, stems from a feeling of inferiority. As China rises, and gains greater and greater influence in the world, she will feel less and less inferior and feel less likely to resort to nationalism.

Why do you think nationalism is so strong throughout the Muslim world? And there is such a strong feeling against the West? Right or wrong, the Muslim world feels helpless against the West and lashes out. China, on the other hand, as the decades pass, will feel stronger. And more and more, will not see herself as helpless against the back drop of the West.

So, in reality, for China, it will be business as usual. There might even be an uptick in nationalism, within the West towards China as she rises ;)

40 posted on 01/02/2011 1:14:05 PM PST by ponder life
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To: ponder life
Why do you think nationalism is so strong throughout the Muslim world?

There is no nationalism in the Muslim world. Muslims dominate many nations but there is little evidence of national pride in any of them. Only Islam unites them.

Right or wrong, the Muslim world feels helpless against the West and lashes out.

No, the exact opposite is true. Muslims feel all-powerful because of the delusions of Islam. They have "lashed out" for as long as Islam has existed. Since their founder Mohammed instituted "lashing out" as a way to please Allah from the very beginning. Long before there was a "West."

Stick to your ChiCom propaganda. It is marginally better informed than that nonsense you just posted about Muslims.

41 posted on 01/02/2011 2:01:36 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
Only Islam unites them.

Yes, I agree. I didn't have another word for it, but it is similar in sentiment to nationalism. Except, in their case, it is to their religion.

No, the exact opposite is true. Muslims feel all-powerful because of the delusions of Islam.

I wouldn't say they feel all powerful in a worldly sense. Even the most radical Muslims can clearly see that there is a significant gap between what they have and what the rest of the world have in terms of combat capabilities. Now, when they take into account their martyrdom and their hope of 40 virgins in the after life, then, yes, they will feel all powerful in an eternal sense if not in a temporal sense.

Stick to your ChiCom propaganda. It is marginally better informed than that nonsense you just posted about Muslims.

In general, I will. But I feel I also know something beyond the realm of Chinese relations with the outside world.

42 posted on 01/02/2011 2:25:36 PM PST by ponder life
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To: bunkerhill7

There goes our super duper surprise attack plan.


43 posted on 01/02/2011 2:48:09 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: TigersEye

Well said. I agree. Who would take them on out of the blue, at least, without a lot of build up to some unforseen crisis? I only know one country that remotely would, and that would be the North Koreans. It would be a rabidly stupid thing to do, but then they’re rabid....


44 posted on 01/02/2011 3:54:43 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must-like men-undergo the fatigue of supporting it)
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To: ponder life
But I feel I also know something beyond the realm of Chinese relations with the outside world.

Knowledge of Chinese relations is certainly your most shopworn self-delusion.

45 posted on 01/02/2011 4:02:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: ponder life
China won't start a war. And I firmly believe that.

Ah, but that is not what TigerEye said.

TigerEye said, and it is a righteous fact, that no country is going to attack China.

Chinas security is in her own hands. The only war that China would face is the one she starts.

If, as you firmly believe, she will not start a war, then there won't be one.

Defense Minster Liang is being provocative and dare I might say... War mongering?

Is there no wise leader in Beijing who can reel him in? It makes the rest of us think that which you so firmly state will never occur!

46 posted on 01/02/2011 4:43:52 PM PST by Alas Babylon! (Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must-like men-undergo the fatigue of supporting it)
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To: TigersEye

There is no nationalism in the Muslim world. Muslims dominate many nations but there is little evidence of national pride in any of them. Only Islam unites them.
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Muslims do not feel any allegiance to any government or nation. They do however respect and feel allegiance to “dar islam”. This is land that is muslim controlled. When a dar islam land is threatened by a non muslim entity, all muslims in the world go there to fight and they do so on an individual basis. It is not like our NATO agreement where one government will send official military aid to another.


47 posted on 01/02/2011 8:47:42 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

Exactly.


48 posted on 01/02/2011 8:56:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Ah, but that is not what TigerEye said.

Well, no, not outright. He said this instead:

When you provoke war in every direction you ought to prepare for war from every direction.

How else am I suppose to interpret it? And please don't split hairs. But what he was implying, is that China will be the one that provokes conflict, i.e., start the war. And that, I don't believe will happen.

Defense Minster Liang is being provocative and dare I might say... War mongering?

I don't believe so. He's just saying the nation should be ready to defend itself. China's build up of her military capabilities is not out of proportion to her growing economic strength. China, after all, has a GDP that is now larger than Japan. Does it not make sense that her military capabilities and her ability to defend herself reflect it? And when you consider purchasing power parity (PPP), is more than twice the size of Japan.

And some economic forcasters predict China will have the largest economy as early as 2020 using nominal figures and even sooner using PPP measures. So, China isn't allocating her national resources beyond a reasonable proportion, e.g., North Korea, etc.

And China's dependence on foreign sources for commodities and energy make it more vital that she is able to defend against disruptions in the flow of those resources.

49 posted on 01/03/2011 2:32:27 PM PST by ponder life
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To: TigersEye
Knowledge of Chinese relations is certainly your most shopworn self-delusion.

shopworn, maybe. But that's only because there is so much propaganda about China in the Western media. But self-delusion .... absolutely not. If you can show me that China is spending beyond a reasonable allocation of funding for a peacetime budget, then I will concede. You can even use Pentagon estimates which is three times that of China's claim.

But I am not self-delusional. China is not spending beyond a reasonable military budget for peacetime. If she was preparing for agression, would she not be spending up to 50% of her GDP readying herself for war? But instead, China is spending anywhere from 1 1/2% to 4 1/2% of her GDP on military, depending on whether you believe China or the Pentagon. Either way, its not over reaching.

50 posted on 01/03/2011 2:54:45 PM PST by ponder life
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