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Richmond Times-Dispatch ^ | 12-30-10 | Nathan B. Oman

Posted on 12/29/2010 11:40:27 PM PST by yort

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To: MestaMachine

...”For the record, I am an Orthodox Jew, and would never in a zillion years vote for anyone on the basis of religion alone like so many blacks voted for obama, or so many Mormons voted for Romney. If you ain’t right, you ain’t right. Period”...

YES! Great point!


51 posted on 12/30/2010 2:56:58 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: meadsjn

He is a likeable guy, but I would not vote for him.


52 posted on 12/30/2010 2:57:58 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: CanaGuy
...”I like Glenn. However, he’s uneven and it’s hard to know what mode he’ll be in for any given show. Sometimes it’s history, sometimes religion, sometimes straight politics and sometimes audience and guest interviews. You need to sample at least a week or two’s worth before coming to any conclusions about him. I’ll say one thing, we need more teachers like him, those who use multi-media as effectively as he does. His staff who do the show-prep should be commended, first rate”...

I DVR every show because I am not available when he comes on at 5 p.m. And, there are very few shows I do not watch all the way through. Our cultural institutions are government, academic, religious, media and family and the well-being of our society is dependent upon the morality, integrity and honesty of those institutions. Beck is the whistle blower the corrupt in America and around the world cannot contain..The research his people do is impeccable. They vet everything..How I wish our government would follow that trend and begin with a thorough vetting of the President, his Czars, and of all his appointments.

53 posted on 12/30/2010 3:09:43 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: iopscusa

My guess is that you are one smart Cowboy!


54 posted on 12/30/2010 3:13:42 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: yort

First off, it is not “hyper-emotionalism” which leads me to the error of your second assertion. If liberals are incapable of discerning issues by reason and logic, then how is one to enlighten them to the reality of this society without the use of emotion?

Obviously you know nothing of fishing and how to accomplish the task of actually hooking one, nor do you know anything about the greatest fisher of all time.


55 posted on 12/30/2010 3:28:19 AM PST by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: piasa

While The Leap is not especially well written, the obscure sources are as far as I have checked, reliable and a reminder of the Christian roots of our republic.

While the Left digs out and misapplies Jefferson’s “separation of church and state” quote, they simultaneously denigrate the wealth of source material that supports the Natural Law basis of our Declaration and Constitution.


56 posted on 12/30/2010 3:51:52 AM PST by Jacquerie (Religion, and not atheism, is the true remedy for superstition. Edmund Burke)
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To: jazzlite
Beck is the whistle blower the corrupt in America and around the world cannot contain..The research his people do is impeccable. They vet everything

Yep, Beck and his people do their homework. Of all the radio, or TV personalities, Beck seems to do the most research.

His emotionalism doesn't bother me one bit. I've been listening since 2000 (he was our local afternoon guy) and he has gotten more serious, but that's because he's become better informed. And with more information comes more accountability. I think he feels that deeply.

He's always been a crier, it's just that now there is more to "cry" about.

57 posted on 12/30/2010 4:19:40 AM PST by dawn53
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To: fr_freak

King was not a communist. There has been no evidence to support that, and quite the contrary, when I began to research this for my book ‘48 Liberal Lies’ I decided it could not in any way be supported and dropped it. His world view, by 1968, was a mixture of everything from Christianity to lower-case communism to existentialism, but an agent? Nope. No evidence at all from the recently released government files on him. HOOVER was convinced he was a communist, but remember Hoover was convinced the Mafia didn’t exist, and Hoover had substantial advance warning about the Japanese Pearl Harbor attack and failed to give it to FDR.


58 posted on 12/30/2010 4:47:41 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: dawn53

Glenn Beck serves a valuable function in educating the mostly-ignorant public about American history. For instance, he is an ardent admirer of George Washington and frequently brings in writers of Washington biographies to acquaint us with the amazing details of his life and accomplishments. Nobody else could have achieved this.


59 posted on 12/30/2010 5:15:19 AM PST by Liberty Wins
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To: Liberty Wins

Here’s another kudo to Beck. He brings in evangelical ministers and authors to discuss Whitfield, etc. (even though he is of the Mormon faith.) He does not “discriminate” as to the theological background of those on his show. He’s not afraid of the “G” word or the “J” word, and where else on TV, or radio for that matter do you hear religion discussed so openly.


60 posted on 12/30/2010 5:27:22 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Lloyd227

” You just joined FR to post this crap? Move along please “

DITTO !!!!!


61 posted on 12/30/2010 5:35:06 AM PST by SF_Redux (the scarier part about all these Marxists is, that a few of them can breed .. with the opposite sex)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

Yesterday? This individual signed up 23 December. How can you say yesterday??????


62 posted on 12/30/2010 5:39:00 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: yort

“in the John Birch Society mold”

That’s one of the best possible recommendations.


63 posted on 12/30/2010 5:43:54 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: meadsjn
From my post of 10/15/2008, yes I was the 1st, What her name means.

Sarah: Princess (in Hebrew)

Louise: Renowned Fighter

Heath: From the Outer Lands

Palin: Who will serve at the table…..

The Princess who is a Renowned Fighter from the Outer Lands who will sit at the Table.

Tell me how she doesn't run with a name like that, She is the one....

64 posted on 12/30/2010 5:45:01 AM PST by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: MestaMachine

See Post No. 64....


65 posted on 12/30/2010 5:46:29 AM PST by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: yort
Non-seriousness, huh? No, the Religious Right is VERY serious. Killing babies in the womb is EVIL. Homosexuality is against nature, and molesting children is EVIL. Y'all see anything funny about any of that? I don't. We're serious all right.

Probably neither you, nor the author has ever read "The Five Thousand Year Leap."

66 posted on 12/30/2010 6:14:34 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (I've giving up Facebook because of OPSEC issues.)
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To: meadsjn
but serious political people do not drag their personal religious fantasies into political discussions.

Kiss my ass. If you think our view that abortion is EVIL does not belong in political discussions, YOU DO NOT BELONG ON FREE REPUBLIC, as Jim Robinson has said on multiple occasions.

67 posted on 12/30/2010 6:16:47 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (I've giving up Facebook because of OPSEC issues.)
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To: BenKenobi
My state (West Virginia) is full of pro life liberals.

They rarely fail to announce their social conservatism at every opportunity.

They are anti-abortion, anti-homosexual rights, pro-prayer in schools, pro-2nd Amendment, etcetera etcetera.

Yet amazingly enough they elect liberal, big spending, nanny state Democrats to national office again and again and again. (If the national Rat platform had not been anti-coal, Gore, Kerry, and Obama would certainly have carried WV).

That's my definition of a pro life liberal. They are the Mike Huckabee demographic to a T.

68 posted on 12/30/2010 6:54:43 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Imagine the parade to celebrate victory in the WoT. What security measures would we need??)
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To: Lloyd227

yort which is not conservative has been sterilized!


69 posted on 12/30/2010 6:57:22 AM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: DarthVader

AW, common!

At least let it live long enough to learn what IBTZ means!


70 posted on 12/30/2010 6:59:34 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

He was sterilized before he could be informed. I think he understands now.


71 posted on 12/30/2010 7:01:27 AM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: MestaMachine
Actually the original Sarah in the Bible was Hebrew but not Jewish--Jews take their name from her great-grandson Judah. The English word "Jew" goes back to the Greek Ioudaioi, inhabitants of Ioudaia (and their co-religionists living elsewhere). Most Jews would be descended from Judah but those with a tradition of a priestly origin seem to be descended from Levi (DNA studies seem to bear this out), and there could be some descendants of the other sons of Jacob mixed in.

The Samaritans are probably mostly descended from the 10 northern tribes (although according to 2 Kings 17 the king of Assyria brought in settlers from elsewhere after he captured Samaria--probably the deportation of the earlier population of the kingdom of Israel was only partial).

72 posted on 12/30/2010 7:50:28 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: yort

Ever once in a while I get aubscription invitation from the Richmond Times-Dispatch. Article like this they publish is why I write them little love notes in return.


73 posted on 12/30/2010 8:34:47 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: yort

74 posted on 12/30/2010 9:58:05 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Whether corruption is in politics, science, education, research, etc., always follow the money.)
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To: jazzlite
His staff who do the show-prep should be commended, first rate”...

That is something that impresses me. There amount of research he has to do for a single show is tremendous. Its one thing for me to shoot off my mouth, based on some hints I've picked up here or there on the internet. Its another thing altogether when you have to be right or be sued.

He has done research into this administration that no one in the straight press has done even to this day, which means he has not been able to do what most talk show hosts do, which is simply comment on the straight press. He has sailed right past them.

And he comments on events in history that some of us know (if you're old and educated before) and some of us don't know. I've heard him make mistakes from time to time but usually minor and usually not germane. I wrote him on one mistake and a few days later he did a program correcting himself (with the amount of research necessary, I know I'm not responsible, but I like to kid myself that I am...)

"Broke" is an excellent book. He has pulled together information into one place that no one else has attempted to do. He obviously had a large staff working on that one too, what did he say, 90 people? And it shows.

Is Beck "perfect"? No one is. But he is doing work no one else is doing, and taking on people most of the other talk show folks never even heard of. And doing it successfully.

75 posted on 12/30/2010 9:59:08 AM PST by marron
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To: taildragger

That’s the one. Thank you.


76 posted on 12/30/2010 11:13:34 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn
Your Welcomed, It was my idea, and here is the genesis of it.

I did it one day thinking about a CPA friend, kind of a self taught biblical scholar. He would always asked for newborns names and would look up the meaning of said names. He had a pet theory that kids grow into the meaning of their names, I hope this time he is right :-)...

77 posted on 12/30/2010 11:32:38 AM PST by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: ansel12
The top measure for who is a conservative voter and who is a liberal voter, is church attendance, you can layoff your liberal, anti-American, anti-conservative message.

You are wrong. Church attendance is not a reliable predictor of who will vote conservative and who will vote liberal. The 10% of people who have no religious beliefs at all do not constitute 50% of the vote, and never will.

Across this country, people attend a wide variety of churches and many of these church-attending people do vote for Democrats; many of them do vote for people like Pelosi, Reid, and even Obama; many of them do vote for pro-abortion candidates of any stripe; many of them do vote for stealth and outright communist candidates; etc., etc.

Some of these church-attending people might vote exactly like you do, but it won't be a vast majority, or a slim majority, or even a large minority. You can post your little graphs from 2008 again, but they won't show anything significant except that Obama won in 2008, and that 90% of the people who voted for him are church-attending people or people with some kind of religious belief that most likely is different from yours.

You can jump up and down, and stomp your feet, and declare that up is down, and yellow is purple, but it won't change the facts. And guess what -- you don't get to decide whether someone else's religion or religious beliefs meets the Constitutional guarantee of:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Frothy emotionional appeal from any religious perspective does not win court cases, or elections, or legislative policy battles. Logical, reasoned arguments, based on our US Constitution and the rule of law, do not always win either, but the successes on this basis far outnumber the cases and elections won by rabble-rousing mobs of irrational protesters of any sort.

I expect you will try to twist what I've said forty ways from Sunday, but facts are facts.

78 posted on 12/30/2010 11:53:17 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: backwoods-engineer
but serious political people do not drag their personal religious fantasies into political discussions.

Kiss my ass. If you think our view that abortion is EVIL does not belong in political discussions, YOU DO NOT BELONG ON FREE REPUBLIC, as Jim Robinson has said on multiple occasions.

Post #78 is for you also

79 posted on 12/30/2010 11:59:20 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn
LOL, you sound a little defensive, as you know by now, anti-Christians and atheists are OVERWHELMINGLY LIBERAL DEMOCRATS.

The more religious, are OVERWHELMINGLY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS.

Your determined liberal, anti-American, anti-conservative, anti-Christian agenda wishes, cannot change those facts.

Seriously, speak from the heart, how do you think that atheists, and those that are hostile to the religiosity of America vote?
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80 posted on 12/30/2010 12:05:15 PM PST by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: Notary Sojac
My state (West Virginia) is full of pro life liberals.

Thank you. So is my original home state of NC, as are all the states of the Bible Belt south, Appalachia, the plains states, with many such enclaves among the others of the 57 states®.

Sarah Palin and the TEA Party voters kicked butt in the 2010 midterms by keeping the message focused on "cut the taxes; cut the spending; and cut the government back to its Constitutionally legitimate functions".

81 posted on 12/30/2010 12:09:38 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: ansel12
Your determined liberal, anti-American, anti-conservative, anti-Christian agenda wishes, cannot change those facts.

That you surmised such from my well-reasoned reply suggests that you are either stupid (or drunk), or you are dishonest.

Either way, you're not worthy of further debate unless and until you quit drinking and get honest.

82 posted on 12/30/2010 12:18:31 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Verginius Rufus

I know that Sarah was not a “Jew.” You are talking to someone who debates Rabbis on “Jewish” matters and has stumped them every time. Actually, “Jew,” or “Yehudit” was used as an epithet during the civil war between the Tribes and I would rather not use it to describe myself because I think it is a perjorative that the world at large chose to call us and Hebrews have adopted for common usage. It bothers me.
Hebrew was derived from HaIvri which means simply The People.
There is no such thing, really, as Jew-ish. Just as there is no such thing as Hebrew-ish or pregnant-ish. After Jacob, we were Israelites...but still HaIvri.
I am a kind of rebel within my religion. I don’t like the way it has been split into factions, and I don’t like the idea that “Jews” seek to defend ALL those who take the name for themselves without obedience to The Law. Reform=deform. Conservative Jews aren’t. I am a sort of stand-alone hardliner and would probably be considered a heretic.


83 posted on 12/30/2010 12:48:57 PM PST by MestaMachine (islam - Hostis hvmani generis - Enemy of the human race)
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To: taildragger

Yes. And I can point you to certain prophecies that clarify that a woman will be the one to change things, just as G-d has ALWAYS used women to bring about the most important events throughout Hebrew history. Sarah was the first, but not the last. Most of these women get short shrift in concordances and latter histories because it has always been sort of a “man’s world.” Truth is, the women, whether Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Bathsheba, Esther, Ruth, Naomi, Yael, Deborah, even Delilah, and on and on, were chosen for their brains and/or beauty, whereas men were chosen for their brawn. Did you know that Moses’s wife saved his very life by circumcizing his firstborn son?
In Abraham’s travels, he lied and was a coward. It was Sarah who G-d protected. That is why Hebrews are matrilineal.
I could write volumes....


84 posted on 12/30/2010 1:15:41 PM PST by MestaMachine (islam - Hostis hvmani generis - Enemy of the human race)
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To: yort
Oh, you really are a towel.
85 posted on 12/30/2010 1:19:25 PM PST by Allegra (You're a towel.)
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To: Allegra

I think “yort” might be toweling at his local bath house. He sure ain’t toweling here no more.


86 posted on 12/30/2010 1:52:15 PM PST by MestaMachine (islam - Hostis hvmani generis - Enemy of the human race)
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To: LS
King was not a communist. There has been no evidence to support that, and quite the contrary, when I began to research this for my book ‘48 Liberal Lies’ I decided it could not in any way be supported and dropped it. His world view, by 1968, was a mixture of everything from Christianity to lower-case communism to existentialism, but an agent? Nope.

OK. I actually don't know all that much about King, so I will defer to your research. I'm actually glad to hear it, to tell you the truth.
87 posted on 12/30/2010 2:16:29 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: LS

IIRC, King rejected communism and the violent protests that they desired. It was jesse jackson who tried to push King into it and King threw him out of the movement. Jackson then claimed to have seen the light and King reluctantly allowed him to come back. I will believe until my dying day that jackson had something to do with King’s death.


88 posted on 12/30/2010 3:14:03 PM PST by MestaMachine (islam - Hostis hvmani generis - Enemy of the human race)
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To: meadsjn

What I was pointing out when I posted that “Your determined liberal, anti-American, anti-conservative, anti-Christian agenda wishes, cannot change those facts.” was just that, you keep trying to spread a liberal message that is false, and the purpose is to move the GOP left and to assist the liberal goal of marginalizing conservatism by trying to first separate the most fundamental portion of it which is social conservatism and the typical American conservative voter who of course, believes in God.

You cannot pretend to be conservative, and refuse to recognize, and accept that the faithless, anti-God are overwhelmingly liberal, and the faithful, pro-God, are overwhelmingly conservative.


89 posted on 12/30/2010 3:23:42 PM PST by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: MestaMachine

Right.


90 posted on 12/30/2010 3:53:56 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: fr_freak

Again, let me reiterate that his personal philosophy was all over the map, including some communism (but also Gandhi-ism and Christianity) and he WAS a Republican. But no evidence has as yet linked him with any CPUSA activities.


91 posted on 12/30/2010 3:55:05 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: ansel12

Right. Like that good catholic pelosi, or maybe the late murderin’ teddy kennedy, or maybe john the skerry who wants his communion and he wants it now, or maybe that “orthodox jew” who walks to shul who thinks abortion is fine and just co-sponsored the repeal of DADT...or huck the beast, the evangelical pastor who got his own fat kid off a cruelty to animals charge and released a murderer to do more murder and thinks that mama michelle should control what YOUR kids eat since he onviously couldn’t control his own kids.
You have got to be freaking kidding me.


92 posted on 12/30/2010 4:28:38 PM PST by MestaMachine (islam - Hostis hvmani generis - Enemy of the human race)
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To: MestaMachine

You named individuals in a nation of hundreds of millions.

What you cannot escape is that the more religious are more conservative, and the less religious more liberal.

Atheists are vastly, overwhelmingly liberal, and regular church goers are vastly, overwhelmingly conservative, and the sliding scale applies in between.

You mentioned an individual Evangelical, but you left out that Evangelicals are the most conservative voters in America, and the backbone of conservatism, and the largest single group of conservatives, you also mentioned the most conservative portion of the Jews, the Orthodox, who probably as a group vote Republican (the best information tells us they do, or close to it), whereas the less religious Jews are over 80% liberal, your group is about the most liberal in America although you as an individual share a little conservatism with we conservatives.


93 posted on 12/30/2010 5:28:14 PM PST by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12

The whole point is that INDIVIDUALS make up groups, not the other way around. I don’t “share” Conservatism with you because YOU OR YOUR GROUP don’t own it. I am a staunch Conservative because I think for myself. YOU have posted groupthink and insist it is conservative. That is silly and dangerous.
Read your own profile page.


94 posted on 12/30/2010 5:38:39 PM PST by MestaMachine (islam - Hostis hvmani generis - Enemy of the human race)
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To: MestaMachine
You could add Tamar (Gen. 38) and Hannah to the list.

On the other side, Athaliah is not a very good role model (but what do you expect from a daughter of Ahab and Jezebel?).

95 posted on 12/30/2010 5:42:49 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: MestaMachine
Since the word Jew derives from the land/kingdom/tribe of Judah, it should be a neutral term--if it has any pejorative connotations they may be simply from the intonations given to the word by anti-Semites when they have said the word. There is no obvious alternative--"Hebrew" has Biblical overtones as if we were talking about ancient history. I thought there was some debate about the exact origin and meaning of the term--there is a similar word (Habiru or Hapiru) found in some 2nd millennium texts which may be the same word.

The word "Jew" is used in the King James translation at Ezra 4.12 (the original at that point is an Aramaic letter). I don't know Hebrew (or Aramaic) but I have the Septuagint translation which has Ioudaioi here (II Esdras 4.12 in the LXX).

In Deut. 26.5 Jacob is referred to as an Aramean (rendered as "Syrian" in the King James translation).

I don't know if there are any passages in the Bible before the exile where the people of Judah are called "Jews."

A different point--how long did tribal awareness last among those who were not of the tribe of Judah or Levites? St. Paul claims to know that he is of the tribe of Benjamin (Romans 11.1) and of course Benjamin was the one tribe which stayed with Judah when the 10 northern tribes seceded. St. Luke identifies a woman as belonging to the tribe of Asher, but how many people really knew their tribal origins in the first century of our era?

96 posted on 12/30/2010 6:10:32 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: meadsjn; MestaMachine
One interesting thing about the chart in post 80 is the last line.

People who never attend church: Bush 35% Gore 65%

The conclusion to be drawn here, students, is that were it not for the over one-third of America's atheists and agnostics who voted Republican, Al Gore would have been President.

97 posted on 12/30/2010 6:43:14 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Imagine the parade to celebrate victory in the WoT. What security measures would we need??)
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To: meadsjn; MestaMachine
One interesting thing about the chart in post 80 is the last line.

People who never attend church: Bush 35% Gore 65%

The conclusion to be drawn here, students, is that were it not for the over one-third of America's atheists and agnostics who voted Republican, Al Gore would have been President.

98 posted on 12/30/2010 6:44:02 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Imagine the parade to celebrate victory in the WoT. What security measures would we need??)
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To: MestaMachine

You do not build conservatism by being at war with conservatives, learn who conservatives are and who liberals are, and learn to be more supportive of conservatives and conservatism in general.

Being a little bit conservative isn’t enough, and when you try to promote that, then you are trying to weaken conservatism, and are promoting liberalism, and anti-Americanism.


99 posted on 12/30/2010 6:47:57 PM PST by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: yort
This account has been banned or suspended.

OK Yort, which is it?

100 posted on 12/30/2010 6:50:19 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
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