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Marshal: Deputy who killed dog remorseful, but had to defend himself
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | December 30, 2010 | Larry Hartstein

Posted on 12/30/2010 9:30:51 AM PST by moonshinner_09

Fulton County Marshal Antonio Johnson said Thursday the deputy who shot and killed a couple's lab mix while trying to serve a lawsuit is "very remorseful" about the "very unfortunate situation," but felt he was defending himself."From talking to him, he didn't have any other choice because the dog was charging at him," Johnson told the AJC. "The dog was unattended, unleashed, in an open gravel field."

Johnson said he was still going over the report and would not identify the deputy until later Thursday. He said the incident is under investigation and the owners are free to file a complaint.

The deputy went to 439 Edgewood Ave. in Atlanta to serve a lawsuit to someone listed in unit 103, Johnson said.

"The dog came out of nowhere, aggressively," Johnson said. "He tried to step back, but the dog kept charging him. He fired two fatal shots.

(Excerpt) Read more at ajc.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: atlanta; donutwatch; ga; georgia; police; warondogs
The owner was cited for having an unleashed, unattended dog.

"So we now have to go to court because they shot our dog," Cullifer's girlfriend, Elizabeth Runkle, told Channel 2. Unbelieveable, the address is no longer valid, dog shot..Atypical

1 posted on 12/30/2010 9:30:55 AM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

Agreed that the owner should be cited.
However, I just don’t understand all these stories about cops shooting dogs. Haven’t they ever heard of pepper spray?


2 posted on 12/30/2010 9:35:28 AM PST by Artemis Webb (What, if not a bagel and coffee, confirms the existence of a just and loving God?)
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To: moonshinner_09

When in doubt, shoot the dog.


3 posted on 12/30/2010 9:36:40 AM PST by rahbert
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To: Artemis Webb

When you shoot a dog, you get paid time off for ‘grief counseling’ and review of the use of your firearm.


4 posted on 12/30/2010 9:37:23 AM PST by WaterBoard
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To: moonshinner_09
"his 45-pound lab mix,"

Small (Lab) dog, no barking, no barring of teeth, no growling, just "charging". No dog biscuit either.

"Stop, or I'll shoot". To serve (summons) and protect (oneself).

5 posted on 12/30/2010 9:38:46 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Artemis Webb
"Haven’t they ever heard of pepper spray?"

Or dog treats?

6 posted on 12/30/2010 9:39:47 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: moonshinner_09

Sorry, don’t buy the cops’ story.


7 posted on 12/30/2010 9:44:53 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: moonshinner_09
"The dog was unattended, unleashed, in an open gravel field." "
I would have shot it to, under these stated circumstances..
8 posted on 12/30/2010 9:50:48 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: joe fonebone

Apparently you’ve never heard of pepper spray either.


9 posted on 12/30/2010 9:55:03 AM PST by Artemis Webb (What, if not a bagel and coffee, confirms the existence of a just and loving God?)
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To: moonshinner_09

Cops have always had to deal with dogs, but the rash of cops shooting dogs on sight is a recent phenomenon.


10 posted on 12/30/2010 10:09:28 AM PST by marron
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To: marron
"...but the rash of cops shooting dogs on sight is a recent phenomenon."

That's because they keep getting away with it. Unless there are consequences for their behavior, they will continue to do it.

11 posted on 12/30/2010 10:23:03 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Inspiration. The momentary cessation of stupidity.)
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To: Artemis Webb

If an animal ( yes, a dog is an animal ) comes charging at me, I do not care if it is a dog, cat, bear, deer or squirel...if I am armed, i am putting it down. The owners of said animal would then receive a lawsuit from me..i get sick and tired of irresponsible pet owners bitching when fido gets shot or run over by a car. If you cannot, or will not, control your animal, you have no right owning it, and I have every right to defend myself from it..period, end of discussion..


12 posted on 12/30/2010 10:24:32 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: moonshinner_09
PWIAG
13 posted on 12/30/2010 10:30:21 AM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: moonshinner_09

“Charging”. He’s using that word deliberately. They want to portray the dog as a threat. It’s why he didn’t say “running”.

Pepper spray is a bitch. Just a offhand whiff is really bad. NOw with a dog with a much more sensitive nose...?

The officer also may not have much experience around dogs. I have from my own experience never met a golden retriever that was a vicious attack dog. They are overly friendly to strangers.

I understand not wanting to get bit/attacked by someone’s dog. I’d pepper spray the dog if I felt in danger. Most sprays police would carry can shoot 20-25 feet.


14 posted on 12/30/2010 10:51:27 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: moonshinner_09

A 40 lb Lab, Terrier mix. Sounds like a real hell hound to me.

If a cop can’t handle a dog like that, he has no business on the force. He’s a coward and a danger to himself and others.


15 posted on 12/30/2010 10:59:11 AM PST by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: moonshinner_09

And as usual, the LEO shooter is allowed to go unnamed, and the AJC lacks the journalistic cojones to do any digging on the matter.


16 posted on 12/30/2010 11:28:11 AM PST by Elwood P. Doud (America, you voted for a negro socialist with an Islamic name - so why act surprised?)
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To: Artemis Webb

My question is this: If there are all these dogs, and they are all so dangerous that trained police officers feel they have to shoot the dogs to protect themselves, what are we ordinary citizens supposed to be doing?

After all, we walk down these same streets, and are confronted by these same dogs. But if a dog comes running after me, I don’t just shoot them. But according to the police, we should all be carrying weapons to protect ourselves from this rash of angry, dangerous dogs.

Sad thing is, the dog might have just been happy to see him, and was running up to great him.

I’ve been attacked by dogs, even when I was a kid, and I’ve never had any trouble fending them off. Sure, I got bit in the arm a couple of times, but I didn’t have to kill the poor things.

I remember once there was a dog loose in my back yard, and the animal control people came, and they were waiting for the police to come, so I went and called the dog and grabbed the dog for her. She was all like “don’t do that, he might be dangerous”, but I figured I wasn’t going to wait for a policeman to come and shoot the thing, when I was sure the dog wasn’t looking to attack people, it was just scared.


17 posted on 12/30/2010 11:30:49 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: joe fonebone

Sometimes I see kids unattended, unleashed, in open fields, maybe we should just shoot them as well, we never know when those kids might come running up at us in a threatening manner.


18 posted on 12/30/2010 11:33:43 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Secret Agent Man

I understand it as well, but again, if the police can’t defend themselves from stray dogs without shooting them, what do the police expect normal people to do? I don’t see the police saying we should all go buy guns to shoot stray dogs, but if we are supposed to run away and call the police, why can’t the police run away and get someone to handle it without killing the dog?


19 posted on 12/30/2010 11:35:52 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: marron
Cops have always had to deal with dogs, but the rash of cops shooting dogs on sight is a recent phenomenon.

So is the possession of vicious dogs by petty criminals.

20 posted on 12/30/2010 11:39:04 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I understand it as well, but again, if the police can’t defend themselves from stray dogs without shooting them, what do the police expect normal people to do? I don’t see the police saying we should all go buy guns to shoot stray dogs, but if we are supposed to run away and call the police, why can’t the police run away and get someone to handle it without killing the dog?

My wife asked a local sheriff's deputy about that. He said, 'you gotta do what you gotta do' to protect yourself.

21 posted on 12/30/2010 11:40:15 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: joe fonebone

End of discussion huh?

Do you mind if I ping you next time a cop shoots a small dog in a fenced in yard?

“end of discussion”...lol..you’re funny. Not bright, but funny.


22 posted on 12/30/2010 11:42:59 AM PST by Artemis Webb (What, if not a bagel and coffee, confirms the existence of a just and loving God?)
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To: joe fonebone
I do not care if it is a dog, cat, bear, deer or squirel...if I am armed, i am putting it down.

You sound upset.

Have you ever thought about changing your screen name to "joe fonebonehead?"

23 posted on 12/30/2010 11:46:42 AM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: joe fonebone
Oh and by the way. If as you say, “a dog, cat, bear, deer or squirel” comes “charging at you” and you take your gun and “put it down” you better be ready for charges as firing a weapon in most every city in the country is against the law. Now I'm sure you can claim it was self defense but good luck in front of the judge claiming you were afraid the squirrel you mentioned was about to attack.
24 posted on 12/30/2010 11:47:40 AM PST by Artemis Webb (What, if not a bagel and coffee, confirms the existence of a just and loving God?)
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To: Artemis Webb
My Dad was a Deputy for 27 years. SOP was to mace the dog, not shoot it.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but LEO these days get a choice of being certified for mace/pepper or tazer, but very few do both.

25 posted on 12/30/2010 11:47:49 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: moonshinner_09
If you know anyone in the LEO community, you should know there is a dog-killing culture that has existed for many years. Some of them just get off on it. Plus, it's far less paperwork than shooting a person. There is a significant number of “good” cops who don't participate, but conveniently look the other way.
26 posted on 12/30/2010 12:23:36 PM PST by Niteranger68 (I am in the party of "HELL NO"!)
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To: joe fonebone

Easy there little fella.....


27 posted on 12/30/2010 12:25:19 PM PST by Niteranger68 (I am in the party of "HELL NO"!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

>Pepper spray is a bitch. Just a offhand whiff is really bad. NOw with a dog with a much more sensitive nose...?<

Police kill pit bull after pepper spray fails
Thursday, December 28, 2006
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Pittsburgh police early yesterday shot and killed a dog after they said it shook off an entire canister of pepper spray and the impact of several bricks hurled at it to get it to move away from a house.

Just before midnight on Tuesday, Officer James Goga responded to a call from a woman who lives at a house in the 1000 block of Steuben Street who said a “large pit bull” was sitting on a chair, growling and barking, next to her front door.

The 57-year-old woman said she couldn’t get past the dog to get into her house, and police said it would growl and bark at anyone who came near, refusing to move.

“The contents of one can of pepper spray was deployed on the dog,” Officer Goga reported. “This was ineffective and only caused the dog to lick its face.”

The impact of two bricks only caused the dog to growl some more.

Shortly after midnight, a special deployment unit arrived to try to remove the dog, but when officers moved in it jumped up and came at them aggressively.

Officer Goga then shot it in the chest, killing it.

Police hadn’t determined who owns the dog.

First published on December 28, 2006 at 12:00 am

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06362/749579-53.stm#ixzz19czdfcao


28 posted on 12/30/2010 12:47:13 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: moonshinner_09

A freaking labrador? He shot a labrador? I’ve never seen nor heard of a vicious lab.....and I used to work in an Animal Shelter.

There is either a detail missing, or the officer put a dog down that was as much threat as a Chihuahua.


29 posted on 12/30/2010 12:49:35 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: edge10
A 40 lb Lab, Terrier mix. Sounds like a real hell hound to me.

Terrier. That could be a pit bull.

30 posted on 12/30/2010 1:05:32 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Dead Corpse

Both.


31 posted on 12/30/2010 1:18:52 PM PST by Gator113 (I'm voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: Artemis Webb
Jimbo: You see boys, the Democrats have passed a lot of laws trying to stop us from hunting.

Cartman: Democrats piss me off!

Jimbo: They say we can't shoot certain animals anymore, unless they're posing an immediate threat. Therefore, before we shoot somethin', we have to say 'It's coming right for us.'

32 posted on 12/30/2010 1:25:15 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SeeSac

I think what they did was in the right order.

Pepper spray it first.

If it doesn’t work and it becomes a threat, then elevate the force.

The officer in the current story just blew it away, right away.

And you don’t have to be a dog expert to know a golden retriever is not a pit bull.


33 posted on 12/30/2010 1:42:32 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Pepper spray it first. If it doesn’t work and it becomes a threat, then elevate the force.

Sometimes you just don't have the time. I had a dog come out of nowhere at me and there weren't no time to elevate the threat if choice (1) didn't work.

34 posted on 12/30/2010 1:45:03 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Secret Agent Man
And you don’t have to be a dog expert to know a golden retriever is not a pit bull.

One. It wasn't a golden retriever, it was a lab-terrier mix.

Two. "terrier' is most likely "pit-bull".

35 posted on 12/30/2010 1:46:58 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac; Salvavida; CharlesWayneCT

Though certainly not a Golden, she didn’t look like a viscous dog to me.

Video at link:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/26314486/detail.html?sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4d1cea7eb1811abd,0


36 posted on 12/30/2010 2:00:46 PM PST by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: edge10
she didn’t look like a viscous dog to me.

Of course. The mouth was closed in that photo.

This dog would look sweet also, only if the mouth were closed.


37 posted on 12/30/2010 2:11:37 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac

If you have an issue with the dog in the story, maybe a hamster is more your speed. Cowardice is a terrible thing.


38 posted on 12/30/2010 2:16:41 PM PST by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: edge10
If you have an issue with the dog in the story, maybe a hamster is more your speed. Cowardice is a terrible thing.

Cowardice is making personal attacks behind the safety of the internet shield.

39 posted on 12/30/2010 2:30:21 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Artemis Webb

shooting an animal controlled in it’s yard is not acceptable. This animal was not controlled in it’s yard. Legit shoot.


40 posted on 12/31/2010 5:50:48 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

And your answer, equating an animal with a human being, is exactly why I get on these threads. Takes someone with a very low IQ to make a comparison like that. Thanks for the laugh.


41 posted on 12/31/2010 5:52:30 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: AAABEST

Have you ever thought about changing your name to “Animals are more important than human life”??????or are you a spokesperson for the liberal ASPCA???


42 posted on 12/31/2010 5:54:56 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: Artemis Webb

typical lib response....pick out one phrase or word and then use it to demean...right out of rules for radicals...and I would rather be judges by 12 than carried by 6 ( or have to roll around in a wheelchair )


43 posted on 12/31/2010 5:56:57 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: joe fonebone
Joe!
What are these responses in #40 and #43?
In #12 you said, "end of discussion".

You really aren't very good at meaning what you say are you? Perhaps it's like the big talk of how you're going to shoot any animal you want if you feel threatened.

Frankly I suspect you feel scared and threatened in lots of situations: Elevators, candy counters, those short yellow buses you used to have to ride to school. Not to mention puppies and radical Islamic squirrels you mentioned that are out to rend you to bits!


44 posted on 12/31/2010 6:56:50 AM PST by Artemis Webb (What, if not a bagel and coffee, confirms the existence of a just and loving God?)
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To: joe fonebone

Yes, I notice that on the Michael Vick threads, with that pundit saying he should have been executed.

They are just animals. But you have to throw them a bone sometimes.

It’s clear though you get my point, that it’s not JUST that police get to shoot anything that they think might be threatening them.


45 posted on 12/31/2010 10:56:37 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Artemis Webb

When I said end of discussion, it did not mean that i would allow stupidity to rule the day. i will call out an idiot whenever and wherever I see one. I am calling you out. And yes, I will shoot any animal I feel threatened by...shoot early, shoot often


46 posted on 01/01/2011 5:32:10 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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