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Too Tall To Fly? Passenger Forced to Stand for Entire Flight
abcnews/travel ^ | 12-30-10 | By LAUREN EFFRON

Posted on 12/30/2010 1:24:18 PM PST by rawhide

When Brooks Anderson boarded a Spirit Airlines flight from Chicago to Ft. Myer's, Fla., to spend Christmas with his family, he said he didn't expect to be standing for the next two-and-a-half hours.

"I was in an aisle seat and I clearly didn't fit into the seat at all," he said. "I couldn't even stuff myself in there."

The 25-year-old is 6'7" and as he tried to squeeze his knees under his chin, his tall frame proved to be too big to fit into Spirit's tiny coach seat.

"This is the most crammed I've been by far," Anderson said.

Even though he was in the last row of the plane, Anderson said the flight attendants wouldn't let him stick his knees out into the aisle, so he was forced to sit with them jammed into the metal tray table on the seat in front of him.

"It's incredibly painful," he said.

Anderson said he asked to be moved to an exit row seat, which typically has more legroom.

"The stewardess and I talked before the takeoff," he said. "She asked if anyone in the emergency row would switch spots with me [but] came back and said, 'You're stuck'."

When none of the other passengers offered to help, Anderson said he decided to take matters into his own hands and asked if he could stand for the flight.

"I said, 'I need to do something about this, is it O.K. if I stand after the seatbelt sign is turned off?,'" he said. "She said it was O.K."

The space between economy class seats on a Spirit Airlines Airbus A321 is about 28 inches, which is below the typical 31 inches.

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I emphasize with the guy as I am tall also. I know what it is like to spend an entire overseas flight squeezed into a sardine can.

That being said, one solution would be to pay for the bigger seats if needed, where in this case, would have given him the relief needed. So while I fault Spirit Airlines somewhat for their asinine policy of building sardine cans for the cheapest economy passengers, they do offer more legroom for additional money. But this would require personal responsibilty when situations like this arise.

When life throw you a curveball, you learn to adapt, even if it cost you more money than the average joe. Many people have learned such. Ask anyone who is disabled.

1 posted on 12/30/2010 1:24:21 PM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Being 6-7 myself, I can imagine what it would be like losing 3 inches of legroom - and I have short legs for my size.


2 posted on 12/30/2010 1:27:49 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: rawhide

He should file a discrimination suit against the airlines like the fatso’s are doing.


3 posted on 12/30/2010 1:29:47 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: dirtboy

I always thought is was men who needed the upgrade from economy to economy plus. No woman in the world is going to pay $200 for four inches...


4 posted on 12/30/2010 1:32:06 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (I am proclaiming 2011 as the year of ME!)
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To: rawhide
I've been in that same seat...from Boston to Dallas and then from Dallas to St. Louis.

Stood the whole time, except take off and landing...really sucked.

5 posted on 12/30/2010 1:32:45 PM PST by demsux (Obama: THE job destroyer)
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To: rawhide
Passenger Forced to Stand for Entire Flight
From the article ... Doesn't sound like he was forced at all.
6 posted on 12/30/2010 1:34:49 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Depends what those four inches are attached to.................


7 posted on 12/30/2010 1:35:56 PM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing to something right.)
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To: rawhide

I think there is more leg room on the emergency exit aisle seats. They should traded him a seat there.
But I cant see any other way a 6’7” guy could ride in coach these days...


8 posted on 12/30/2010 1:36:32 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: rawhide

There is a Chinese engineer where I work. He goes 7’6”

I’ve always wondered how he got over here.


9 posted on 12/30/2010 1:37:02 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Merry Christmas!!)
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To: Little Ray
Anderson said he asked to be moved to an exit row seat, which typically has more legroom.

"The stewardess and I talked before the takeoff," he said. "She asked if anyone in the emergency row would switch spots with me [but] came back and said, 'You're stuck'."

Nobody would trade with him. Bless the guy on the return flight who offered him his First Class seat.

10 posted on 12/30/2010 1:39:04 PM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Barely a decent seat on the entire plane if this is an Airbus 320.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Spirit_Airlines/Spirit_Airlines_Airbus_A320.php


11 posted on 12/30/2010 1:39:21 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: smokingfrog

Spirit presently has 2 aircraft of this type in service, with 22 on order. Spirit’s A320 aircraft feature seats with no recline and 28” of seat pitch - the least amount of space of all US domestic carriers. Spirit has one row of “Big Front Seats” which are larger seats at the front of the cabin. Spirit charges to reserve seats per one-way segment. These fees will vary depending on duration of trip and whether the seat is aisle, middle or exit.The first aircraft of this type entered service on March 14 2010 and operates on the Fort Lauderdale to Washington DC route. The second, launched in April 2010, will operate Fort Lauderdale to New York LaGuardia. Two additional aircraft will enter into service by Summer 2010.


12 posted on 12/30/2010 1:41:40 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: dirtboy

I have trouble and I’m only 6’5”


13 posted on 12/30/2010 1:42:21 PM PST by MarkeyD (Obama is a victim of Affirmative Action)
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To: Little Ray
I think there is more leg room on the emergency exit aisle seats. They should traded him a seat there.

From the article:

"The stewardess and I talked before the takeoff," he said. "She asked if anyone in the emergency row would switch spots with me [but] came back and said, 'You're stuck'."

14 posted on 12/30/2010 1:42:24 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: MarkeyD

I’ve had the person in the seat in front of my try to recline and then page the flight attendant when the seat won’t move. They’ll tell her their seat is broken, and then she looks back at me wedged in there and tells them, “No, it isn’t”.


15 posted on 12/30/2010 1:44:58 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: rawhide
Is Brooks "Too Tall" Anderson too tall?
16 posted on 12/30/2010 1:48:10 PM PST by Ken H
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To: gov_bean_ counter

No woman in the world is going to pay $200 for four inches...

That sounds naughty


17 posted on 12/30/2010 1:48:10 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: rawhide

Having him stand like that for the whole trip violates FAA regs when taking off and landing.


18 posted on 12/30/2010 1:48:36 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: SeeSac; rawhide

Says pretty bad things about the folks on the emergency aisles, doesn’t it?


19 posted on 12/30/2010 1:49:25 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: rawhide
That being said, one solution would be to pay for the bigger seats if needed, where in this case, would have given him the relief needed. So while I fault Spirit Airlines somewhat for their asinine policy of building sardine cans for the cheapest economy passengers, they do offer more legroom for additional money. But this would require personal responsibilty when situations like this arise.

The thing is, coach seats are built for smaller people - shorter, thinner, a body type that was far more common in the US of 1961 than 2011. When a significant percentage of your passengers can no longer fit comfortably in your most common seating and that percentage keeps increasing, recommending the purchase of luxury seats that cost many times the price of basic seating starts to become an unrealistic suggestion.

Airlines need to wake up. I'm only 5'11 and I'm unable to keep the soles of my feet on the floor in many coach seats because there's no room for my knees. Passengers who recline their seats fully are far too close to having their heads in my lap for my comfort. This kind of overcrowding can only lead to more people avoiding air travel like the plague.
20 posted on 12/30/2010 1:49:54 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: rawhide

I am 6’3” and feel like I won the lottery if I can get an emergency exit or bulkhead seat.


21 posted on 12/30/2010 1:50:08 PM PST by OCC
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To: rawhide
"Waah. Poor me. I was a cheapskate and then the airline wouldn't bend over backwards to accomodate me."

Spirit Airlines is a budget airline. If he needs more leg room, then he needs to cough up more dough for an airline with more leg room.

22 posted on 12/30/2010 1:52:54 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: oh8eleven

maybe forced due to lack of other options.


23 posted on 12/30/2010 1:53:40 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: smokingfrog

Daughter and I flew LAX to HK and back on a Cathay Pacific 747-400 that had 2 & 2 seating in the last 3 rows. Fifteen hours over and 12 1/2 back, but we stretched out the whole way.


24 posted on 12/30/2010 1:53:43 PM PST by onedoug
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To: al baby
That sounds naughty

Way too much time in airports looking at the signs over the last three years...

25 posted on 12/30/2010 1:53:51 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (I am proclaiming 2011 as the year of ME!)
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To: rawhide

One thing that makes me so mad — short people who sit in the exit rows. I’m 6’1”, so is my husband. We’re height-weight proportionate and physically (and emotionally) equipped to get the emergency door, help others, etc.

I’m sure out of the 5-6 people (maybe even more, depending how the row behind emergency is set up), one of the people under a certain height could have swapped with him.


26 posted on 12/30/2010 1:55:17 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Little Ray
Says pretty bad things about the folks on the emergency aisles, doesn’t it?

Some airlines now charge more for those seats. A few years back I was always booking those seats for the extra room till I ended up on a flight between two 350#+ dudes. Seems the 'biggies' were also catching on to this. I would have paid to get regular seat.

27 posted on 12/30/2010 1:56:37 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: oh8eleven

Yup. Sounds like he was a nice guy about it.

But that apparently doesn’t make for a good headline.


28 posted on 12/30/2010 1:58:03 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: smokingfrog

United must be 29” because they seem to be the tightest of the legacy carriers that I fly on.


29 posted on 12/30/2010 1:58:08 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
He must have somehow strapped in for takeoff and landing.

From the article:

"I said, 'I need to do something about this, is it O.K. if I stand after the seatbelt sign is turned off?,'" he said. "She said it was O.K."

30 posted on 12/30/2010 1:59:50 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Borax Queen

I am 6-2 and know the pain. But, knowing his limitations, he simply needs to plan better (e.g., lock in a better seat earlier), and if necessary, pay the price for upgrade.


31 posted on 12/30/2010 2:01:27 PM PST by SgtHooper
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To: dirtboy

short legs like string bean the banjo player?


32 posted on 12/30/2010 2:01:40 PM PST by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Having him stand like that for the whole trip violates FAA regs when taking off and landing.

It makes you look smarter if you read the article before posting.

33 posted on 12/30/2010 2:02:32 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: rawhide

And now airlines a are considering these “saddle seats” to squeeze even more in !


34 posted on 12/30/2010 2:05:33 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: rawhide
What a$$holes these FAs were. There are two seats on the Spirit A321 which are designated as crew seats. The are facing backwards towards row 11 which is the emergency exit row. Surely one of the crew could have switched or used a jumper seat in the forward or aft crew area so this guy could get some relief.

Not to mention the a$$hole passengers in seats 12A, 12F, 26A and 26F (which have no seats in front of them) who couldn't be bothered to help out another person for a couple of hours. Sometimes, people really piss me off when it takes no effort at all to improve someone's situation and possibly make a new friend. People suck.


35 posted on 12/30/2010 2:06:30 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Inspiration. The momentary cessation of stupidity.)
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To: smokingfrog
It was an A321 and there are a number of decent seats.

I've flown both. The A321 is a nice aircraft. But you are correct. The A320 sux.

36 posted on 12/30/2010 2:09:15 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Inspiration. The momentary cessation of stupidity.)
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To: SgtHooper

Yeah, I’m sure you’re right.

I just won’t fly anymore because of TSA, but I used to fly a lot — only on Southwest. The good ol’ days when I’d score an “A” ticket and get the exit row, good times.


37 posted on 12/30/2010 2:10:07 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: rawhide

I know how you feel, buddy. If you think that’s bad, try to get a job in a corporate office. No heads taller than the bosses’ allowed, and the bosses’ head is rarely over five and a half feet.


38 posted on 12/30/2010 2:16:06 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I read after I posted that it was a 321, but seatguru says legroom on that plane is 30-31 inches.

Spirit Airlines Airbus A321

39 posted on 12/30/2010 2:16:24 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: dirtboy
I’ve had the person in the seat in front of my try to recline and then page the flight attendant when the seat won’t move. They’ll tell her their seat is broken, and then she looks back at me wedged in there and tells them, “No, it isn’t”.

I've had the person in front of me try to recline the seat, and, when it wouldn't go back, he actually started slamming his body against the seat trying to force it to go back, at which point I had to inform him in a rather stern tone that the reason his seat wouldn't go back was because my #$@%&! knees were there.
40 posted on 12/30/2010 2:38:51 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: smokingfrog

I tried Spirit down to Costa Rica last year... hated them. You have to be among the first to board to have any shot at all for overhead storage space, and the seats (which are charged extra on top of the ticket price) are so tiny. Not my cup of tea.


41 posted on 12/30/2010 2:44:57 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Not 4 inches for legs, anyway. I could see women paying thousands for four more inches of something else.


42 posted on 12/30/2010 3:07:21 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: MarkeyD

Same here. Can imagine how much worse it would be to be a couple of inches taller.


43 posted on 12/30/2010 3:15:28 PM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
ship...
44 posted on 12/30/2010 3:31:06 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: rawhide

How do N.B.A. players fly from city to city? Private jets maybe?


45 posted on 12/30/2010 3:41:31 PM PST by Graybeard58
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To: Yo-Yo

Let me guess ... You are not tall.

On a related subject, I hate it when people act as if they have the right to recline their seats into the knees of the tall person behind them. Perhaps they do, but I also have the right to jam my long legs into the back of the seat to prevent full recline, and then jostle the seat with my knees each time they start to doze off.


46 posted on 12/30/2010 3:43:19 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: rawhide

World’s smallest airline seat unveiled: http://www.umplife.com/t2972-world-s-smallest-airline-seat-unveiled


47 posted on 12/30/2010 3:57:26 PM PST by rawhide
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

And why he’s not playing basketball


48 posted on 12/30/2010 4:00:14 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Graybeard58
How do N.B.A. players fly from city to city? Private jets maybe?

I imagine that they fly charter flights, so who knows what seating configurations that they get. My guess is swiveling captains' chairs like you'd see on corporate aircraft.

I once flew on a commercial flight with the Nevada-Reno basketball team. They had a couple of players who I'd estimate in excess of 6'10" (I'm 6'5"). I was uncomfortable on that American flight. Can't imagine how they managed!

49 posted on 12/30/2010 4:04:30 PM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: Ken H
Is Brooks "Too Tall" Anderson too tall?

No. The only one qualifying for that title is Ed (Too Tall) Jones of the Cowboys.

50 posted on 12/30/2010 4:27:31 PM PST by Ole Okie
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