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EPA Rules Will Trump Your Rights
IBD Editorials ^ | December 30, 2010 | Staff

Posted on 12/30/2010 4:50:39 PM PST by Kaslin

Environment: Ignoring both Congress and the voters, the Environmental Protection Agency starts the new year governing by decree with job-killing regulations. Take a deep breath, but if you exhale you're a polluter.

Cap-and-trade is dead, long live cap-and-trade in the form of regulations promulgated in the coming year by what George Orwell might call the Ministry of Environment. It claims that the Clean Air Act and a Supreme Court ruling in 2007 let the EPA regulate carbon dioxide as a planet-warming pollutant.

We recently commented on the EPA's recent commandeering of the permitting process from Texas, with which it is in a legal tussle over federalism, states' rights and the Constitution's enumeration of powers and who may exercise them.

The federal agency also plans to issue greenhouse gas permits in seven other states — Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Oregon and Wyoming.

The EPA held its fire, hoping a Democratic Congress would get cap-and-trade legislation through both houses. In April, 2009, Time magazine ran a piece titled "EPA'S CO2 Finding: Putting A Gun To Congress' Head." Last year the New York Times said that if Congress fails to ram through cap-and-trade legislation, the EPA should ram it down our throats. And so it did.

With Barack Obama's election, liberal hopes for cap-and-trade rose. But neither businessmen nor homeowners were buying it, especially after the data manipulation and fraud perpetrated by the U.N.'s IPCC, Britain's Climate Research Unit and even our own NASA.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: agenda; americainperil; bho44; capandtax; capandtrade; china; cleanairact; climatechange; co2; coal; cru; crucapandtrade; energy; environment; epa; globalwarming; ipcc; nasa; obama; pollution; regulations; scotus; waxmanmarkey

1 posted on 12/30/2010 4:50:41 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

It’s time to DEFUND the EPA. Make those bass turds get out there and look for REAL JOBS! It’s the American thing to do.


2 posted on 12/30/2010 4:56:27 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRATS. Just doing the jobs the Grim Reaper doesn't want to do.)
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To: Kaslin

The $64,000 question is what WILL happen next (not what should happen next)??


3 posted on 12/30/2010 4:58:53 PM PST by tatown (Obama is a turd)
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To: Kaslin

“When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation”.

These words were first spoken in 1776, We have lost many our rights under the current government (King obama) ,perhaps it time for Americans to stand tall and demand that obama be dethroned and the Constitutional Republic be restored.


4 posted on 12/30/2010 5:01:05 PM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: Kaslin
So now just as rationing and death panels return under regulations written "as the secretary shall determine," a phrase rapidly replacing "we the people" under this administration

Don't even think about "compromising" with this administration.

5 posted on 12/30/2010 5:01:24 PM PST by oldbrowser (Blaming the prince of fools shouldn't blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that elected him)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I totally agree. The EPA is one of the most dangerous government orgainizations we have. There are others that are close but the EPA can ruin your lives by just regulating everything you do. The House must defund it and it should be the first thing they do in January. If they don’t, they will be part of the problem.


6 posted on 12/30/2010 5:02:03 PM PST by RC2
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To: Kaslin
These EPA folks all live in the Maryland and Virginia suburbs of DC.

They can be dealt with.

7 posted on 12/30/2010 5:04:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: FlingWingFlyer
It’s time to DEFUND the EPA.

DEFUND is DEFEND. You leave the whole mechanism in place for the next administration to revive.

KILL IT COMPLETELY or ADMIT DEFEAT, RINO!

8 posted on 12/30/2010 5:41:13 PM PST by Clint Williams (America -- a great idea, didn't last. The only reasonable response to jihad is Crusade.)
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To: muawiyah
These EPA folks all live in the Maryland and Virginia suburbs of DC.
They can be dealt with

Not by the FReeper crowd, they won't. FReeper half-measures won't even touch these folks.

9 posted on 12/30/2010 5:43:09 PM PST by Clint Williams (America -- a great idea, didn't last. The only reasonable response to jihad is Crusade.)
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To: muawiyah

There was a time when the EPA actually did good work but it has become a danger to the nation. It’s critical functions can be transfers to another agency or mandated to the states with oversight. It would probably save use a bunch to boot.


10 posted on 12/30/2010 5:44:22 PM PST by WHBates
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To: Kaslin

Liberals hate RIchard Nixon with a white hot passion, yet they aren’t afraid to use his creation.


11 posted on 12/30/2010 5:44:53 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Kaslin

The EPA needs to be closed.
All bureaucracies stray from their charter, forever seeking more power and control.
It’s long passed time for the EPA to be relegated to the “ash heap of history”.


12 posted on 12/30/2010 5:44:53 PM PST by G Larry (When you're right, avoid compromise!)
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To: Clint Williams

Damn! That’s the first time I’ve been called a RINO. Most people call me a rightwing, extremist kook.


13 posted on 12/30/2010 5:46:06 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("The Dems have a 'war room' for everything but war..." - Dennis Miller)
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To: steelyourfaith; Nachum; markomalley; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

Ping


14 posted on 12/30/2010 6:01:32 PM PST by raptor22 (The truth will set us free)
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To: Kaslin

The EPA is Ran by a NAACP racist Skank ,just more get the whiteman.


15 posted on 12/30/2010 6:16:52 PM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; All
A democrat Congress approved the EPA and previous agencies and laws.

To you 1 man because he had an R behind his name is the problem.

Yes the EPA has to be abolished but so do all the environmental laws passed by democrat congresses. It is the President's duty to execute the laws passed by Congress. Nixon was just consolidating environmental agencies and obeying the constitution by enforcing the environmental laws passed by Congress. The Marxists have been passing enviromental laws for over 100 years. The President has to enforce these laws. But to you and to democrats everything is Nixon's or Bush's fault , any man with an R behind his name. Nixon didn't write the 100 years of environmental laws.You all are puppets of the liberal media.

These laws have to be repealed. Otherwise another President will be able and has to by law to enforce these dumb ,evil, economy-crippling, environmental laws.

Most people have little understanding how the this country works. It is still a country of laws. The democrats/marxist congresses have passed hundreds of thousands of pages of economy and business crippling laws . That is the problem.

America has had a long history of legislation aimed at protecting the nations waterways, although usually the legislation was designed to prevent navigation hazards and not pollution. 1. The first such law was the Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899, which prohibited the dumping of any solid waste into navigable rivers and harbors. Although this law was originally intended to keep waterways free of obstacles to navigation, it did reduce some forms of polluti http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~hallman/EPA.htm

16 posted on 12/30/2010 6:54:04 PM PST by rurgan (Make all laws have an expiration date of 3 years. too many laws is the problem)
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To: Balding_Eagle; All
A democrat Congress approved the EPA and previous agencies and laws.
To you 1 man because he had an R behind his name is the problem.

Yes the EPA has to be abolished but so do all the environmental laws passed by democrat congresses. It is the President's duty to execute the laws passed by Congress. Nixon was just consolidating environmental agencies and obeying the constitution by enforcing the environmental laws passed by Congress. The Marxists have been passing environmental laws for over 100 years. The President has to enforce these laws. But to you and to democrats everything is Nixon's or Bush's fault , any man with an R behind his name. Nixon didn't write the 100 years of environmental laws.You all are puppets of the liberal media.

These laws have to be repealed. Otherwise another President will be able and has to by law to enforce these dumb ,evil,marxist, economy-crippling, environmental laws.

Most people have little understanding how the this country works. It is still a country of laws. The democrats/marxist congresses have passed hundreds of thousands of pages of economy and business crippling laws . That is the problem.

America has had a long history of legislation aimed at protecting the nations waterways, although usually the legislation was designed to prevent navigation hazards and not pollution. 1. The first such law was the Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899, which prohibited the dumping of any solid waste into navigable rivers and harbors. Although this law was originally intended to keep waterways free of obstacles to navigation, it did reduce some forms of polluti
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~hallman/EPA.htm

17 posted on 12/30/2010 6:58:00 PM PST by rurgan (Make all laws have an expiration date of 3 years. too many laws is the problem)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

FlingWingFlyer,
You are a rightwing, extremist off-the-reservation kook.

Feel better?

Glad to be of service.


18 posted on 12/30/2010 6:58:55 PM PST by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: Kaslin

Sheesh, I know they don’t like lead but heck, we got plenty and goes real fast otta’ are fire sticks.


19 posted on 12/30/2010 7:12:03 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s time for congress to declare CO2 a non pollutant. Take it out of the EPA’s hands.


20 posted on 12/30/2010 7:26:48 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: Kaslin
EPA Rules Will Trump Your Rights

Damn right they will. And nothing will be done about it, because the Republicans will go RIGHT BACK to 2005 without recourse to a flux capacitor, right back to "give the Democrats a reach-around" mode without even being wined & dined first, right back to musical committee chairs and hitting on Washington money whores.

Don't we get it yet? BUREAUCRACY TRUMPS THE REPUBLIC. The Machine is in place; rather than Big Brother, it's nameless faceless little-man's-disease academics who aren't even related to you. It's Cass Sunstein's boot stamping on Lincoln's beard, forever.

To borrow from B.T. Party, political-only solutions are a mere hologram of liberty.

21 posted on 12/30/2010 9:29:03 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (It's time, Claire.)
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To: rurgan
It is still a country of laws.

NO, it is not. It is a country of regulation spewed from nameless faceless bureaucrats who have never done anything real in their lives, other than take a crap, and they probably have other people do that for them.

22 posted on 12/30/2010 9:31:42 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (It's time, Claire.)
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To: WHBates

You wanna show me just where the Constitution authorizes anything even resembling an EPA? It has ZERO Constitutional critical or otherwise functions.


23 posted on 12/30/2010 10:24:59 PM PST by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: raptor22; enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; TenthAmendmentChampion; Clive; scripter; ...
Thanx raptor22 !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

24 posted on 12/31/2010 4:40:50 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: Clint Williams

You can kill the funding without the president (he can’t physically FORCE Congress to include funding) but dissolving the department would require a presidential signature and can’t be done till Obama’s replaced.


25 posted on 12/31/2010 5:54:54 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: backwoods-engineer; All
The EPA etc. are abusing power.But that's partly because there is a gang of marxist/democrat criminals running the government.Democrats/liberals and even people on here blame Bush for everything but just in 2 little examples the EPA, and FCC we can see the difference between Bush and Obama. Bush never signed on the global warming treaties,laws etc. and the EPA under his command did not impose this global warming bs. Same for the FCC . Under Bush the FCC didn't try to censor the Internet using this Soros Funded net neutrality bs. But now under Obama the EPA will shut down the economy using a hoax called global warming as an excuse. The FCC will censor the Internet using the Soros/marxist funded fake research called net neutrality.

Obama should be impeached for this. But still the existence the the EPA and FCC are based on LAWS that democrat congresses passed under the cover of the liberal mainstream media monopoly.Repeal the environmental laws then it's easier to abolish the EPA. The EPA was formed to consolidate several environmental agencies that were enforcing the environmental laws passed by democrat Congresses. What about that don't you people understand? Do you have any idea how the government works or about the Constitution? : The executive branch executes the laws passed by Congress. That's U.S. government 101.

26 posted on 12/31/2010 7:03:21 AM PST by rurgan (Make all laws have an expiration date of 3 years. too many laws is the problem)
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To: Still Thinking; All
Even if you do all that , abolish the EPA as you propose then there will still be 100 years of democrat environmental laws that a future President must enforce.

For example: We abolish the EPA .Yet there are still thousands of pages of marxist ,anti-capitalism enviromental laws like that species act or whatever. Someone or some agency has to do environmental impact studies etc. to enforce those laws, to make sure that no habitat of some insect or forest or whatever is “harmed” by a power plant or construction or factory etc.. Of course those are horrible laws but it is the President's duty to see that those laws are enforced.So these laws have to be repealed first.

Why don't people understand that it is laws that are the problem: case in point the 3000 page government socialist healthcare law just recently passed.

27 posted on 12/31/2010 7:11:13 AM PST by rurgan (Make all laws have an expiration date of 3 years. too many laws is the problem)
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To: rurgan
Yes, there are a lot of environmental laws and yes, those do need to be addressed. But I disagree if you think the EPA isn't a problem unto itself. All these bureaucrats have to justify their existence and fill their days so they sit there promulgating regulations that have the force of law, and which were not passed by Congress.

Take CO2 for example. Public sentiment was such that Congress wouldn't declare it a pollutant, but the agency still did, and thinks that we're still obligated to abide by their regulations despite the fact that Congress chose not to act.

So there is value in reining in the enforcement agencies, even though part of the problem originates elsewhere. I see the argument for a non-political body to make some determinations in a technical field to avoid politicizing what is actually provable fact, but the way it's implemented it's like double jeopardy to our rights. If EITHER the political or administrative people want to shave away some of our rights, they get to just shave away. That's not right. Maybe the agency can make scientific findings and then submit them to Congress to be included in laws, then to be enforced by an executive agency but with no adding other things to regulate on their own say-so, but whatever, this way has to go.

28 posted on 12/31/2010 10:50:41 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking; All
EPA alone is destroying America. Of course it's a huge problem. But it is the environmental laws that democrat Congresses passed in over 100 years that give the EPA any authority at all and that justify any existence of the EPA.

EPA is the symptom. The laws are the disease.

You get rid of the EPA then something else or some other agencies or agency will take its place because those laws have to be enforced by the executive branch, the President.

29 posted on 12/31/2010 11:59:59 AM PST by rurgan (Make all laws have an expiration date of 3 years. too many laws is the problem)
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To: rurgan

Acknowledged. But you could get rid of part of the problem by prohibiting whatever agency is charged with enforcing the law from coming up with their own, when they’re too stupid or unpopular for Congress to be willing to pass them. That amounts to an end run around the people that fund their paychecks.


30 posted on 12/31/2010 12:15:28 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: rurgan
What about that don't you people understand? Do you have any idea how the government works or about the Constitution? : The executive branch executes the laws passed by Congress. That's U.S. government 101.

Don't get pedantic with me again. I know how the government is SUPPOSED to work, and I can quote the Constitution book chapter and verse. What I am saying is that Congressional Republicans lack the will to stand up to Obama and the EPA.

31 posted on 12/31/2010 4:59:45 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Imagine Cass Sunstein's boot stamping on Lincoln's beard, forever.)
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To: tatown
what WILL happen next

Nothing. We've been sucking it up for nearly 30 years and we will continue to suck it up. The government is faceless.

32 posted on 12/31/2010 5:04:24 PM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
Ignoring both Congress and the voters, the Environmental Protection Agency starts the new year governing by decree with job-killing regulations. Take a deep breath, but if you exhale you're a polluter.
The EPA needs to be greatly reduced in size; we need to drill for petroleum, mine anthracite coal, and have a massive number of treason trials, convictions, and executions for the Constitution-trampling leftists -- not just those at the EPA -- who are trying to ruin us and our posterity. Thanks Kaslin.


33 posted on 01/01/2011 10:37:24 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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