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'Crash Taxes' the Latest Scam to Take Your Money (It's One the IMF Hasn't Even Thought of)
Economic Policy Journal ^ | 12/30/2010 | Robert Wenzel

Posted on 12/31/2010 9:41:10 AM PST by FromLori

At least 50 cities in California have adopted so-called crash-tax laws allowing local governments to seek reimbursement from insurance companies for the costs of sending public emergency crews to accident scenes. The fees can amount to hundreds or even thousands of dollars. If insurers don't pay, cities can hire collection agents to seek payment from the motorists involved, reports LaTi.

And it's spreading, says LaTi: It's gaining momentum nationwide as cash-strapped communities seek a way to offset budget cuts

This month, New York Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg proposed charging drivers there as much as $490 when firefighters respond to an accident or a vehicle fire, beginning July 1. A public hearing is set for January. So let me see if I understand this correctly: The government taxes in the first place for the "services" they provide, but they have blown that money, so they are going to charge you separately for the services they provide.

Bottom line: The emergency response sector seems to be another sector that should be left to the private sector seeing as individuals are paying for the responses anyway.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; fees; govt

1 posted on 12/31/2010 9:41:17 AM PST by FromLori
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To: FromLori

Signs of a collapsing nation.

We are so donezo its not funny.


2 posted on 12/31/2010 9:43:35 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: FromLori

Adding insult to injury...literally!


3 posted on 12/31/2010 9:45:19 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: FromLori
The government taxes in the first place for the "services" they provide, but they have blown stolen that money, so they are going to charge you separately for the services they provide.
4 posted on 12/31/2010 9:47:28 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: FromLori

Just what are taxes paying for? Oh, I forgot. The salaries of the anal apertures who make these laws.


5 posted on 12/31/2010 9:48:45 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Liberalism is against human nature. Practicing liberalism is detrimental to your mental stability.)
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To: FromLori

The socialists are getting desperate for money. They kill the geese that lay the golden eggs, then they wonder where their money went.....fools, idiots.

They are socialists. And history has proven, over and over, that socialists create NOTHING. They must STEAL everything they have.

Get ready.


6 posted on 12/31/2010 9:53:27 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Just what are taxes paying for? Oh, I forgot. The salaries of the anal apertures who make these laws.

It's also paying for the votes that keep them in office.

That's the function of taxpayers in the New USA. Handing over their hard-earned money, at the point of a gun, to people who give it to losers who "vote themselves a largesse from the treasury."

7 posted on 12/31/2010 9:58:28 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: FromLori

Oops - I thought it was called a stupidity tax...Either way it’s a great idea so long as the insurance companies don’t pay it...let the dimwit who was texting just before the crash happened pay for it..Let’s call it the “Inattentive Motorist Accident Justification Excuse Confirmation” (IMAJERC)


8 posted on 12/31/2010 10:02:23 AM PST by majormaturity
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

And the salaries and benefits of each public employee and the pension and benefits of five public employees (for each full time worker).


9 posted on 12/31/2010 10:08:24 AM PST by 386wt
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To: FromLori

The first responders are getting paid the same weather sitting at the station or going out and earning their pay!


10 posted on 12/31/2010 10:18:19 AM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Signs of a collapsing nation.

Signs of a collapsed nation.

11 posted on 12/31/2010 10:31:12 AM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: FromLori
When illegal aliens are charged for the cost of litigation, and forced to reimburse the state for welfare payments they were not entitled to... Or when criminals are forced to make full restitution for damages and injuries that they inflict on the victims of their crimes (not the money they pay to the state).. Then we can talk about charging for emergency services for some high risk stunts that require extra effort from first responders.

For most of us, that rare occurrence where we need emergency service is what we have paid taxes for.

12 posted on 12/31/2010 11:04:49 AM PST by Bearshouse
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To: FromLori

I think this might be a good idea


13 posted on 12/31/2010 11:07:08 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: cowtowney

“cowtowney wrote:
I think this might be a good idea”

So you don’t mind paying twice then and in some cases three times since illegal aliens don’t have to pay and in that instance you pay.

Wow not me the govt. gets enough of my money already and I already pay for those services with my taxes.


14 posted on 12/31/2010 11:17:19 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: cowtowney

I do too, this is the only way the permanent underclass (legal or not) contributes; collection agencies chasing down illegals: priceless.

This is why I support sales tax versus income tax as well; to each according to his consumption!


15 posted on 12/31/2010 11:33:10 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: FromLori

I’d imagine this also lets NYC charge out-of-state drivers for their accidents; these would be people that are not currently paying NYC emergency responders.

Just another reason to avoid these cash-strapped toilets...


16 posted on 12/31/2010 11:34:46 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: majormaturity
Either way it’s a great idea so long as the insurance companies don’t pay it...let the dimwit who...insert anything a politician can blackmail you with.

This is bad, it allows government to squander money already being taken for police and fire service on other pet projects unrelated to the safety services.

Make no mistake, these fees are unauthorized taxes, and they will get us all for one thing or another, you don't even have to be a dimwit to qualify.

17 posted on 12/31/2010 12:06:37 PM PST by SteamShovel (Beware the RINO-VIRUS...It will kill the TEA Party movement.)
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To: FromLori

911 Operator: 911, what is your emergency?

Citizen: I’vejust been in an accident and I’m trapped in my car with a broken leg.

911 Operator: How would you like to pay for your rescue and medical services. We take Visa, Master Card or cash.

Citizen: I don’t have any credit cards and I’m broke.

911 Operator: We can’t respond if you can’t guarantee payment for services. Move your car off the road or we’ll send someone over to push your car off the road. Thank you for calling 911.


18 posted on 12/31/2010 12:11:43 PM PST by RLM
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To: FromLori

Once when I was younger I went to Yellowstone Park. They charged me to get in and I wondered why I had to pay since I already pay federal taxes. The user of the service pays more for it.

I also think it would make people drive more carefully.


19 posted on 12/31/2010 12:15:46 PM PST by cowtowney
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To: FromLori

It is something that we are thinking of implementing locally. We have a mix of first responders - city, district and hose companies. All are volunteer. City is funded through taxes, district through assessments and hose companies through bake sales, auctions and donations. We also have a big interstate that runs through the county. Why should our volunteer departments have to respond to vehicle incidents on the interstate when those folks pay nothing to support our struggling volunteer departments? Also, vast areas of the county are not in a district and have no local volunteer department. Why should volunteer departments go out of their area to respond?

It costs money to outfit a responder in turnouts, to train them, to equip them with an appropriate vehicle, to pay for gas, insurance and workers comp. Why not bill when the service is needed outside of the area or taxbase?


20 posted on 12/31/2010 12:56:03 PM PST by marsh2
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To: FromLori

IL is way ahead in this. My town earns about $500K/year in this way. Accidents and our emergency responders are a profit center.

They charge for ambulance rides as well. So we pay for the equipment, vehicles, training and salaries and then our insurance companies get to pay again.

Remind me what taxes pay for?


21 posted on 12/31/2010 4:54:08 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

“So we pay for the equipment, vehicles, training and salaries and then our insurance companies get to pay again.”

When the insurance companies pay YOU pay it will be passed on to the customers in the form of higher rates and as we all know we will pick up the tab for those who won’t. It never ends sigh.


22 posted on 12/31/2010 5:45:49 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

Local governments are full of bipartisan commies.


23 posted on 12/31/2010 11:22:46 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: FromLori
At least 50 cities in California have adopted so-called crash-tax laws allowing local governments to seek reimbursement from insurance companies for the costs of sending public emergency crews to accident scenes. The fees can amount to hundreds or even thousands of dollars. If insurers don't pay, cities can hire collection agents to seek payment from the motorists involved, reports LaTi.

WHAT THE F*** AM I PAYING TAXES FOR!!!!!!!!!!

24 posted on 12/31/2010 11:24:59 PM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: cowtowney
I think this might be a good idea

I think you are insane.

25 posted on 12/31/2010 11:26:32 PM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: marsh2
Why should our volunteer departments have to respond to vehicle incidents on the interstate when those folks pay nothing to support our struggling volunteer departments?

Because, you (edited), then when YOU wreck in East Podunk, THEY will respond to YOUR incident.

26 posted on 12/31/2010 11:29:12 PM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: marsh2
Why should our volunteer departments have to respond to vehicle incidents on the interstate when those folks pay nothing to support our struggling volunteer departments?

Because, you (edited), then when YOU wreck in East Podunk, THEY will respond to YOUR incident.

27 posted on 12/31/2010 11:29:21 PM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Lazamataz

“I think you are insane.”

Perhaps. Btw is this my mother-in-law?

But seriously, you should pay fees when you use any service whether it is the county hospital, the water system, the court system, etc.

You should also have the option of a private rescue squad

I pay taxes. Why should I pay a fee to send my kids to public schools?
Why should I have to pay for parking at the city lot downtown?


28 posted on 01/01/2011 2:09:21 AM PST by cowtowney
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