Skip to comments.Help us help you, Mr. President
Posted on 12/31/2010 2:51:51 PM PST by FS11
Can we finally put the "birther's movement" to rest? Wait, that's right... we can't. Only the president of the United States can. Help us help you, Barack Obama!
I recently found myself, to my despair, agreeing with the host of MSNBC's "Hard Ball" and spinster extraordinaire Chris Matthews. He pleaded to Obama to give the people what they want - an original copy of his birth certificate proving once and for all that he was born in the United States.
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There is a clear, concise and definitive statement in Vattel's Law of Nations which was the principal legal treatise used by the Founding Fathers in writing the Constitution.
"The natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens... it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
The Venus Case, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
In the Venus Case, Justice Livingston, who wrote the unanimous decision, quoted the entire §212 paragraph from the French edition of Vattels Law of Nations:
Vattel is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says:
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.
The inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are strangers who are permitted to settle and stay in the country. Bound by their residence to the society, they are subject to the laws of the state while they reside there, and they are obliged to defend it
Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)
Sixteen years later the Supreme Court does not cite Vattel per se, but cites the principle of citizenship contained in his definition of a natural born citizen:
If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings
Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
In this case the Justice Gray cites the decision in Minor vs. Happersett:
At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
IMHO, the word has been passed to Matthews and Abercrombie: At last we have successfully forged nobama’s long form BC. Make lots of noise about this and eventually it will be released.
This will NOT shut up the birthers as the claim about his Father’s country of citizenship is still in the way.
I do hope at least one state will pass legislation insisting that candidates for POTUS, VPOTUS and maybe others must prove “natural born” citizenship.
Maybe money is the problem for Big Bro BO? Maybe we could take up a collection her on FreeRepublic to raise the $10 for him to get a copy of his Birth Certificate?
I don’t think it’s a matter of where he was born as much as it is to whom was he born. My bet is Barack Sr. is probably his father, but his name may not be on the birth certificate, or, there is another name on the birth certificate.
No question he is hiding some facet of his birth, just he is hiding his college transcripts.
Sure seems odd to drag this out ... if there’s no problem.
When Bush is given a rest...maybe
He would probably relish in the Constitutional Crisis.
He’d be bringing a Kenyan moment like Odingo, or whatever his buddy in Kenya’s name was.
I’m waiting for all the feigned stunned looks on the faces of the MSM.
Thanks for a great job of documenting what we have known for years, but, apparently the younger generation hasn’t been taught the Consitution in its pure form.
I’ll donate the $10. I’ll even pay the postage to mail the request to the HDOH.
If in 2012 Jug Ears is the Democrat candidate, what will we say and do when he must prove his eligibility?
He won’t need to run in 2012. There will be a constitutional crisis and the elections will be suspended. Martial law will be implemented. A new constitution has already been drawn up by the Apollo Alliance (Van Jones) and the politburo will vote in the affirmative to create the new USSA. Subsequently Obama will be affirmed to be lifetime leader, with succession to his children clearly delineated. We and our future generations will be enslaved for the good of the collective.
Other than that, have a great evening and Happy New Year!
Why do I keep thinking Hillary is behind this refreshed birth certificate story? Hmm. A preemptive strike well before 2012 to take Obama out of the running, perhaps?
Ain’t got one to show
I’d LOVE to help him out.
Which way did he come in??
Hed be bringing a Kenyan moment like Odingo, or whatever his buddy in Kenyas name was.
It’s Odinga and is actually related to our annointed one (cousin).
Now, we can point to Chris Matthews and these others and say, "Look, who knows. Everybody is wondering about this guy now. In the future, we really need to know before we vote. Nobody should be two years into their administration and still have people questioning whether they meet the basic constitutional requirements for the office."
That's what really needs to happen. We need to prevent a future recurrance of this. And we shouldn't be asking courts to write new laws and requirements. No prior president was ever required to provide a birth certificate (or any documentation beyond the party chairperson's certification that the candidate was qualified). George W. Bush wasn't required to do that. Clinton wasn't required to provide a birth certificate. Reagan wasn't required to produce a birth certificate. There has never been a requirement for that. I don't think that the courts are comfortable making up a new requirement for documentation. And I don't think it is even appropriate to ask courts to do this.
If we want to change the procedure for verifiying constitutional eligibility, we should be asking legislators to change that, not judges. I know that doesn't help with the current situation, but it will prevent future problems. It might even keep Obama off the ballot in 2012, who knows?
Yeah, that’s it. Thought they were related, too. Thanks for confirming.
Obama stated just what he and “the rev” Jeremiah Wright think right here:
I am becoming to believe that if that birth certificate doesn’t show Obama born outside the USA, that it is quite possible that it lists, as one Freeper pointed out a month or so ago, that the father is not Obama but his grandfather. One can readily understand why he would be embarrassed (that is, if he is capable of embarrassment) for that to be known.
Perhaps the father of Bam Bam is in fact an American citizen and isn’t who we were led to believe? (you have to admit, he doesn’t look at all like his Kenyan father)
Embarrassing deceptive and perhaps inconvenient for the Bamster, yes, however it would be the backfire on to the Republicans the left has been dreaming, and possibly planning for in the 2012 presidential run because it would then prove Bam is not only legit, but that those Republicans are so darn mean AND wrong!!!
Oops, I should have added that if his grandfather is his father the mother is not the man’s daughter but some other woman.
He looks like he could have been the child of Stan...the resemblence is striking.
Why cry Whinestein? It wasn't too long ago your girly buddy Chrissy said Obama released his birth certificate for all to see. She waved it all over on her softball show.
Maybe, Maybe there's a different name listed as father - and maybe it's also the right one.
Below: his 'half sister' Maya Soetoro - you know, the one with the same coloring and hair, the natural child of the 'bummer's step dad, Lolo Soetoro.
'bummer and sister Maya
If there were no questions, which man would you think he most resembles?
the Indonesian listed, on the only school record we have, as his 'father.' - and his citizen ship "Indonesian", Faith "Islam"
'bummer and 'step' dad
the dark as coal Kenyan?
"BUT HE'S BLACK!"
this man isn't. this man, 14 years 'bummer's junior, was - what's the odds - born in the same town the Soetoro's lived. (Take 14 yrs off 'bummer and...?
It might be interesting to know this young mans genealogy - cousins often resemble one another closer than siblings.
And what was he real reason that 'bummer referenced in his book about being so upset - a real row - when, as a young teen in his grandparents house, he came across his BC?
Well, just stuff to chew on. As much possible validity as anything else connected with the fraudster.
While you at it, Mr. President, tell us how you got from Occidental to Columbia. Free up your transcripts.
My advise to you, don't drink so much.
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