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Public workers facing outrage as budget crises grow
MSNBC ^ | 01/01/2011 | Michael Powell

Posted on 01/01/2011 8:29:26 PM PST by Immerito

FLEMINGTON, N.J. — Ever since Marie Corfield’s confrontation with Gov. Chris Christie this fall over the state’s education cuts became a YouTube classic, she has received a stream of vituperative e-mails and Facebook postings.

“People I don’t even know are calling me horrible names,” said Ms. Corfield, an art teacher who had pleaded the case of struggling teachers. “The mantra is that the problem is the unions, the unions, the unions.”

Across the nation, a rising irritation with public employee unions is palpable, as a wounded economy has blown gaping holes in state, city and town budgets, and revealed that some public pension funds dangle perilously close to bankruptcy. In California, New York, Michigan and New Jersey, states where public unions wield much power and the culture historically tends to be pro-labor, even longtime liberal political leaders have demanded concessions — wage freezes, benefit cuts and tougher work rules.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: economy; flemington; newjersey; parasites; unioncorruption; uniongoons; unions; unionslakers; uselessthugs
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1 posted on 01/01/2011 8:29:29 PM PST by Immerito
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To: Immerito

And elsewhere in the news, under the leadership of president Obama and his supporters......


2 posted on 01/01/2011 8:33:24 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Immerito

Just think if the media was not so corrupt including ALL of TV including Fox which has Rove on their shilling for Obama - these unions would be hanging from posts.


3 posted on 01/01/2011 8:33:35 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: Immerito
“People I don’t even know are calling me horrible names,” said Ms. Corfield, an art teacher who had pleaded the case of struggling teachers.

Let me join in, Ms. Corfield. You're a clueless twit.

4 posted on 01/01/2011 8:40:09 PM PST by Huntress (Who the hell are you to tell me what's in my best interests?)
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To: Immerito

Boo effing hoo.

I have no respect for anyone in the “teaching” union.


5 posted on 01/01/2011 8:40:49 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Immerito
“People I don’t even know are calling me horrible names,” said Ms. Corfield, an art teacher who had pleaded the case of struggling teachers. “The mantra is that the problem is the unions, the unions, the unions.”

Simple question - what are the unions doing to better serve the costumers?

For public employee unions, particularly those in the education realm, what is the union doing to make yyour products better - more children educated to a level that allows them to compete in a global marketplace.

If teacher X can't answer that, then teacher X should rethink where the dues are going and the kind of policies that the union supported elected officials back.

Public employee unions are a problem, plain and simple.

6 posted on 01/01/2011 8:41:07 PM PST by !1776!
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To: Immerito
What part of the Federal, State, and Local governments are BROKE do the PUBLIC workers don't understand?

Who payes their salaries?

These public worker clowns are FOOLS.

7 posted on 01/01/2011 8:42:30 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: Frantzie

Reagan did it. He busted the air flight controller’s union. Time to do the same to the rest of these unionized government workers. They should have never been allowed to unionize in the first place.


8 posted on 01/01/2011 8:44:03 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Immerito

“Waiting for Superman” should be required viewing for all Americans.


9 posted on 01/01/2011 8:45:36 PM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Immerito

I love this one.
Public employees are getting owned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_itVyZKmrM&feature=related


10 posted on 01/01/2011 8:46:15 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: VRWC For Truth

I have the greatest respect for teachers... but they need to remember who pays for their salaries. And the fact is public workers are now facing hard times like every one else. We need can no longer afford to give them whatever they ask.


11 posted on 01/01/2011 8:46:33 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Immerito

Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.


12 posted on 01/01/2011 8:47:39 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: !1776!

Excellent question. :-)


13 posted on 01/01/2011 8:50:09 PM PST by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

NJ teachers union last year collected $120 million in dues. FUNDED BY THE TAX PAYERS!!!!


14 posted on 01/01/2011 8:51:32 PM PST by Luigi Vasellini (End the political class.......TERM LIMITS NOW!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Immerito
I've seen too many people using a very broad brush when blaming public workers for the financial woes of the cities and states. I would be the first to say some of it is justified, but much of it is not. I'm a county employee with the water and sewer division. Non-union, instrumentation (electrical/electronic) technician working high voltage/high current circuits controlled through a SCADA network. I make less than 20$ an hour. To cut costs, we lost 40% of our manpower. We haven't had a pay raise in 4 years. However the number of sewer lift stations, water wells, elevated water tanks, and ground water tanks didn't decrease by 40%. Last week we did initial start-up on another lift station, this brings the total up to 148 lift stations for less than 5 people. Stand-by call outs at all hours of the night and weekend, almost like being in the military again.

The point I'm trying to make is that there are many public/state/city/county employees that work hard for the little that they earn. If you don't think I earn what I work for, open a backed-up lift station at 1:30am and get it working before it overflows (15 minutes or less). I work with some very conscientious people who do understand it's the taxpayers we work for, not the county commissioners. I do get upset when comments are made that 'all public employees' are crooks.

15 posted on 01/01/2011 8:52:05 PM PST by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Immerito
People are calling her horrible names because of her horrible attitude.

What made people despise her is the moment in the video where the Governor is attempting to give a reasoned, multi-part answer to her question and she sneers and cackles rather than listening to his response.

Her condescension, egotism and unjustifiable sense of entitlement were revealed at that moment.

Union employees believe that the reason why taxpayers, employers and customers exist is to provide them with whatever they happen to fancy, in perpetuity, while their job is to do the absolute least amount of work required and to do it at the last possible moment while displaying the worst attitude they can as they do it.

16 posted on 01/01/2011 8:54:27 PM PST by wideawake
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To: !1776!
>If teacher X can't answer that, then teacher X should rethink where the dues are going and the kind of policies that the union supported elected officials back.

You are joking, right?
The teachers know exactly what they are supporting.

The National Education Association's just-retired General Counsel Bob Chanin:

“Despite what some among us would like to believe, it is not because of our creative ideas.
It is not because of the merit of our positions.
It is not because we care about children.
And it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child.

NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power.
And we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues each year because they believe that we are the unions that can most effectively represent them, the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees.”

As legendary New York teachers union leader Albert Shanker said:

“When school children start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2522178/posts

17 posted on 01/01/2011 8:55:23 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Immerito
Robert Master, political director for the Communication Workers of America District 1, which represents 40,000 state workers, speaks to that difficulty.

“The subtext of Christie’s message to a lot of people is that ‘you’re paying for benefits you’ll never have,’ ” he says. “Our challenge is how to defend middle-class health and retirement security, not just for our members but for all working families, when over the past 30 years retirement and health care in the private sector have been essentially demolished.”

Another clueless communist that doesn't know wtf is going on.

Maybe we should try and ask Mr Master just WHY retirement and healthcare for "all working families" in the private sector have "been essentially demolished" over the past 30 years.

18 posted on 01/01/2011 8:57:34 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (My baloney has a first name, it's DEMOCRAT; my baloney has a second name, it's PARTY)
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To: Traveler59

“for the little that they earn”

Try telling that to the good people of Bell, California...


19 posted on 01/01/2011 8:57:40 PM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Ev Reeman

Thanks for the reference, I saw the trailer and will be watching the movie as soon as I get the chance!


20 posted on 01/01/2011 9:01:24 PM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Da Coyote
“The mantra is that the problem is the unions, the unions, the unions.”

the mantra is correct

21 posted on 01/01/2011 9:01:24 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Immerito

I noticed the compared full benefits private to salary only public. Bias...


22 posted on 01/01/2011 9:05:31 PM PST by dila813
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To: Immerito

I noticed the compared full benefits private to salary only public. Bias...


23 posted on 01/01/2011 9:05:41 PM PST by dila813
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To: Ev Reeman
Try telling that to the good people of Bell, California...

As I stated; "I would be the first to say some of it is justified, but much of it is not." One thing that bothers me about that incident. City/county employees are public employees and their wages/salaries are a matter of public record. Why didn't anyone (public/newspapers/etc) notice this long time ago? Just curious about it, that's all.

24 posted on 01/01/2011 9:08:02 PM PST by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: EagleUSA

Look, it’s HARD to make ends meet when you’re 50 and have to squeek by on 90K per year for the rest of your life. Have the evil conservatives made these poor people feel bad? I mean, when you make 33,000 per year and have to work ONLY 20 more years so you can get social security and support these waifs.


25 posted on 01/01/2011 9:14:24 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Ev Reeman; Traveler59
Try telling that to the good people of Bell, California...

Low, way low. Those asses were crooks and upper level city managers. Non union public works employees, the ones that are maintaining infrastructure, are taking the fiscal beating the bureaucrats should be taking. I know exactly what Traveler69 is talking about.

Without these dedicated hard working people, you would be in a world of filth and squalor. A city's most valuable asset is it's infrastructure, based on replacement costs. Traveler69 has my thanks.

26 posted on 01/01/2011 9:22:34 PM PST by existtoexcel
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To: MsLady

“They should have never been allowed to unionize in the first place.”

They were given the right via a JFK Easter Recess executive order.


27 posted on 01/01/2011 9:24:23 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (RomneyCare is Mitt`s Chappaquiddick)
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To: Immerito

This is worth a full read. The article is well-researched, fair, and nicely written.
I can hardly believe it is from the MSNBC site.


28 posted on 01/01/2011 9:25:19 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: existtoexcel

While I am sure many public service employees are good people, the unions they belong to are not and have been doing a great disservice to this country for decades because of greed and arrogance.

Too bad public service is no longer service oriented rather than money oriented.


29 posted on 01/01/2011 9:25:25 PM PST by Ev Reeman
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To: Traveler59
The point I'm trying to make is that there are many public/state/city/county employees that work hard for the little that they earn.

Unfortunately, there is no denying the fact some public employee unions have tainted the waters with corruption and greed. If unions and politicians work together to transfer wealth from taxpayer to government to union to politician who gains the funds and votes of union members, what is the effective recourse for the non-union citizen? Public employee unions are an inherent danger to our civil society.

These bad actors are ruining your reputation by association. What are you going to do about it?

30 posted on 01/01/2011 9:26:05 PM PST by no-s (B.L.O.A.T. and every day...because some day soon they won't be making any more...for you.)
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To: Traveler59

If FR had a like button, I would use it on your post. We do paint with a broad brush at times.


31 posted on 01/01/2011 9:28:09 PM PST by listenhillary (20 years in Reverend Wright's church is all I need to determine the "content of his character")
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To: existtoexcel
A city's most valuable asset is it's infrastructure . . .

A city's most valuable asset is its citizens.

32 posted on 01/01/2011 9:36:04 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: no-s

Unions deserve their bad reputations. In fact, they’re proud of it.

Here in MI, outgoing liberal guv Granholm and the unions used a slight-of-hand trick to conscript day care providers into paying union dues. 1.5% is stripped off the top of the state subsidy checks and sent to union coffers.

Outrageous? Yes. It raised a huge stink but I’ve no doubt foster parents -who also are paid by the state - are their next targets.


33 posted on 01/01/2011 9:47:08 PM PST by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: Immerito

I would like to see equal (negative) passion directed at both public unions and illegal aliens. Both are sucking us dry.


34 posted on 01/01/2011 9:57:38 PM PST by umgud
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To: umgud

I think it is there for both. It is just not reported by the MSM.


35 posted on 01/01/2011 10:04:36 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: goldstategop
And the fact is public workers are now facing hard times like every one else.

I'd like to have their income and bennies.

If they had to live on what the rest of us do - they'd know what 'hard times' really are.

The old mantra of the poor struggling teacher is worn out.

Since unionizing, the emphasis is on new buildings and teachers pay ans benefits, NOT THE STUDENTS and education - which is different than indoctrination.

36 posted on 01/01/2011 10:11:40 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: Traveler59
You're not union - THAT’s the dividing line.

You do more than one person's work load and get paid like the rest of us.

Union workers average 2 people to do the work of one and get paid many times more than, and with better benefits than, non-union workers.

Oh, and let's not refer to teachers as ‘workers’ - THEY are “Professionals”, they'll have you know.

Well, so are YOU. And many of us.

37 posted on 01/01/2011 10:17:17 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: Traveler59
Thank you for your service. My Dad was a fireman for 35 years and his retirement was wonderful. But had he lived another 5 years, his retirement would have been in jeopardy. Not because of his fault or our fault, but because this country is bankrupt. We are all going to have to take a sip from the poverty trough...Not because of our own devices.
38 posted on 01/02/2011 1:10:46 AM PST by richardtavor (One of the rare establishment Republicans backed by the "Tea Party" movement that wants limited gove)
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana; TADSLOS; raybbr; Landru; stephenjohnbanker; maggief; GOPJ; sickoflibs; ...
According to the Washington, D.C.-based Labor Union Report, the National Education Association in 2009 “raked in a whopping $355,334,165 in ‘dues and agency fees’ from (mostly) teachers around the country.”

NEA spent close to $11 million more than it took in — $50 million of which NEA leaders poured into “political activities and lobbying” for exclusively left-wing and Democratic partisan causes and candidates.

NEA's primary mission? No, not educational excellence. Not “the children.” Political self-preservation.

Obama's “Edujobs” bill passed by Congress will essentially redistribute our tax dollars to teachers unions to the tune of $36 million for the National Education Association and $14 million for the American Federation of Teachers, according to the Grand Rapids (Mich.) Press.

School officials said they have no idea what strings would be attached to the money, whether state legislatures would approve the cash as part of special supplemental budgets, how long the money would last, and how they would pay for stop-gap measures while waiting for the taxpayer funds to flow.

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Can the NEA prove where they spent federal grants......and tax-exempt dues money? Oh, never mind, the FBI, SEC, IRS, GAO can find out (/snix).

Did the NEA transfer million of dollars in government money to subcommittes that have political missions? That might constitute collusion and conspiracy to facilitate money-laundering -----if teachers' unions redistributed govt grants back to politicans as campaign contributions.

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Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Cali) plans to greatly expand the scope of federal oversight upon his election to chair the oversight committee in the new Congress, he told Politico. "I want seven hearings a week, times 40 weeks," Issa said.

Issa's election to chair the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform would herald a significant increase in the committee's activity, and not just from the past two years.

Politico reports that Issa is looking to create new subcommittees, and has plans to investigate controversial Obama-era initiatives like the federal stimulus package and possibly health care reform, as well as the $700 billion bank bailout passed under President Bush. He also intends to coordinate oversight inquiries among other House panels.

39 posted on 01/02/2011 2:09:31 AM PST by Liz (There's a new definition of bipartisanship in Washington -- it's called "former member.")
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To: Traveler59

Agreed, but for everyone that works there are ten that don’t. Just watch the Virginia dot, aways has six watching and one working.


40 posted on 01/02/2011 2:32:17 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: VRWC For Truth

“What part of the Federal, State, and Local governments are BROKE do the PUBLIC workers don’t understand? Who payes their salaries? These public worker clowns are FOOLS.”

They literally couldn’t care less; they’ve been indoctrinated not to. I know a teacher in an urban district in NJ; big bucks they earn (”combat pay”). She is retiring now (well over 65), and has ALWAYS been disgusted at how much money was spent by districts least able to afford it. She is also disgusted about how many of her co-workers literally see the schools as being established simply to employ them, rather than to teach children.


41 posted on 01/02/2011 2:33:08 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: vbmoneyspender

“A city’s most valuable asset is its citizens.”

That’s right; Detroit had an infrastructure. It lost its productive citizens.


42 posted on 01/02/2011 2:36:05 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Luigi Vasellini

“NJ teachers union last year collected $120 million in dues. FUNDED BY THE TAX PAYERS!!!!”

That’s right, and a large part of that was spent on strengthening their chokehold on the NJ taxpayer, with no improvement in education. All they can do to justify these exenditures is water down grades, and when that doesn’t work, to simply give the children the answers beforehand. Anyone with a child in public school in NJ need only spend a little time with them doing their homework, and they’ll realize the glowing report cards are an absolute hoax; the children aren’t nearly as smart as indicated, and are lacking in some very basic skills.


43 posted on 01/02/2011 2:40:06 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Traveler59

“I’ve seen too many people using a very broad brush when blaming public workers for the financial woes of the cities and states. I would be the first to say some of it is justified, but much of it is not. I do get upset when comments are made that ‘all public employees’ are crooks.”

I don’t think you realize how much of your department’s woes are caused by other public employee unions that have sweeter deals; the teachers union is #1; they’ll practically shut down the water & sewer division before laying off a single teacher. Police & fire are in a heated race for #2; here in NJ (particulary Newark & Jersey City), it appears Fire got #2 (the layoffs hit Police, trailing at #3). These 3 groups are competing with each other for the tax revenues raised, and beyond that the senior members in each group are basically shutting out any new blood by refusing concessions to permit hiring to cover retirements. As these municipal budgets tighten, you can see the established pecking order: “town hall” administrative workers are booted quickly, as are other non-unionized workers across the spectrum. Public works seems pretty low on the totem pole as well.

The public sector employees that aren’t bleeding the taxpayers dry like teachers are being prevented by the teachers from doing so. The salary you earn must be closer to a market rate than what the others are looting from us; if it wasn’t you’d be in the private sector (where things are bad enough). At this point in NJ, a public school teacher is earning twice what a private school teacher brings home (which would be the market rate for 180 days of work, from 8:30 - 3:00 with an hour lunch).


44 posted on 01/02/2011 2:50:24 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Immerito
.... New Jersey’s public salaries are not exorbitant. The state has one of the highest per-capita incomes in the country, and the average teacher makes $66,597, which even with benefits is on par with or slightly behind similarly educated private sector workers....

Why will they never mention the number of days worked for teachers compared to the private sector? Given 260 work days in a year and allowing two weeks of vacation and 10 paid holidays (many, many people don't get anywhere that much), the average private employee works 240 days a year. A teacher works about 190 days a year. IOW, the private worker has to go to work about 25% more days to earn the same salary. Add in lack of job security and personal health care costs and it's not even a horserace!

45 posted on 01/02/2011 3:07:07 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT (General, sir, it is perfectly ok to call me "ma'am"!)
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To: Traveler59

Same situation in our city. Pay cuts, hiring freezes, layoffs and the work load is the same or greater, but not for the unions.

In our city, all employees took a 3 percent pay cut...EXCEPT the unionized police and fire. They wanted a raise and didn’t want to negotiate. I think they came away with a pay freeze instead. Point is, they expected different treatment than other municipal workers.


46 posted on 01/02/2011 3:14:39 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Ev Reeman

indeed congress should be forced to see it.


47 posted on 01/02/2011 3:21:16 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: vbmoneyspender

assets are owned........


48 posted on 01/02/2011 3:39:08 AM PST by GotMojo
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To: netmilsmom

Later


49 posted on 01/02/2011 3:42:22 AM PST by I_be_tc
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To: GotMojo

sorry....got it wrong...assets are both owned or valuable resources (as defined by Webster)


50 posted on 01/02/2011 3:42:44 AM PST by GotMojo
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