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Anti-gun Advocates In Senate Seek Rules Changes
GOA ^ | 1/3/11

Posted on 01/04/2011 5:08:18 PM PST by FromLori

Make no mistake about it: Procedure is power.

The reason we are not stuck with bans on semi-autos, gun shows and ammunition is because the U.S. Senate is structured so that whatever party is in the minority still retains procedural power to protect the rights of the citizenry against the "tyranny of the majority."

But on January 5, 2011, at the beginning of the new Congress, Senate Democrats are hatching a plan to decimate long-standing Senate rules in order to remove those protections.

The linchpin of the plan would be a ruling by Senate President Joe Biden that the Senate is not a "continuing body" and therefore has NO rules -- other than whatever 53 Democrats and Independents might unilaterally adopt.

At the core of their efforts will be an attempt to abolish the "hold letter" -- at least as it currently exists. Pro-gun senators have used "hold letters" in the past to kill proposed gun show bans, semi-auto bans, ammunition bans, gun licensing requirements, registration lists -- any number of anti-freedom initiatives.

Basically, a hold letter allows a single Senator to slow down movement on unconstitutional legislation, so that it can't be rammed through before the American people can voice their concerns.

Gun banners may also try to reduce the number of senators required to shut off filibusters of anti-gun measures. And they will do this in the expectation that the Second Amendment community has been preoccupied during the holidays and, thus, won't mobilize in time to stop the plan.

Again, procedure is power. The rules that currently exist in the Senate have been designed to slow down unconstitutional legislation -- and this is in keeping with our concept of checks and balances. Thus, not all rules changes are automatically bad, since anything that slows down the galloping herd

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1 posted on 01/04/2011 5:08:21 PM PST by FromLori
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To: FromLori

In other words, they’re setting things up so that when we gain power we can hold it forever. Sweet. / s


2 posted on 01/04/2011 5:12:56 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: sionnsar

They do seem to have a problem with that pesky old “What goes around, comes around” thing ;-)


3 posted on 01/04/2011 5:14:58 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: FromLori

4 posted on 01/04/2011 5:16:41 PM PST by plinyelder ("I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: sionnsar

In other words, they’re setting things up so that when we gain power we can

” Make Them Disappear”


5 posted on 01/04/2011 5:23:56 PM PST by Renegade
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To: FromLori

I agree. It is not a continuing body. shut it down and turn off the lights. we would all be better off if there was no legislation at all coming out of the senate for the next 10 years.


6 posted on 01/04/2011 5:53:13 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: FromLori

The day guns are outlawed is the day I become a criminal. Simple as that.


7 posted on 01/04/2011 5:56:57 PM PST by IamConservative (Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day. - Truman)
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To: IamConservative
“The day guns are outlawed is the day I become a criminal. Simple as that.”

Yes. That is exactly their strategy. Paraphrasing Ayn Rand, if there are not enough criminals, we make them.

If you have to be a criminal to exercise your second amendment rights, over generations, the number of second amendment advocates becomes politically insignificant. That is the way it went down in England.

We fight now, and win (we are winning). It is far better than waiting for guns to be outlawed, and then burying them.

Your posting shows that you are already fighting. Again, We are winning. Let us keep it that way!

8 posted on 01/04/2011 6:17:52 PM PST by marktwain
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To: rockrr

“They do seem to have a problem with that pesky old ?What goes around, comes around? thing ;-)”

Actually they don’t because the feckless fGOP is so pathetic that it never happens. Witness Boehner (sp? who cares) already talking about “sharing power” with the demscum Reps and “reaching across the aisle.”


9 posted on 01/04/2011 6:46:38 PM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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To: piytar

I hadn’t heard that, but I don’t doubt it.

“Oh Steward, I think that there’s some more deckchairs over there that haven’t been rearranged yet” ;-)


10 posted on 01/04/2011 6:57:31 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: FromLori
No, the Progressives aren't trying to destroy this country. Not at all. /s

Molon lave, mofos.

11 posted on 01/04/2011 7:02:25 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
“Molon lave, mofos.”

Yeah... uh huh...dats wut I'm talkin’ ‘bout!

LLS

12 posted on 01/04/2011 7:17:46 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: FromLori
This a good test vote for the next Senate. I'll be surprised if Dingy can pull it off. I think there could be a lot of defections from the rats. About half the rat conference joined all but one of the GOP conference to pass the Coburn Amendment, 67 - 29, in 2009. It allows concealed carry in national parks, etc. A number of the rats first elected in 2006 were presenting to themselves to the voters as moderates or even conservatives. Senate rats are defending 21 seats in 2012, not counting Lieberman, CT, and Sanders, VT.
13 posted on 01/04/2011 10:30:29 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: paul51
we would all be better off if there was no legislation at all coming out of the senate for the next 10 years.

Oh, no no no -- I disagree! So many 'Rat laws to repeal, or just gut and leave bleeding and whimpering on the ground to die. In the rain.

14 posted on 01/04/2011 11:30:10 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: marktwain
It is far better than waiting for guns to be outlawed, and then buryingUSING them...

editor is yer FRiend...8^}

15 posted on 01/05/2011 6:29:13 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: sionnsar
In other words, they’re setting things up so that when we gain power we can hold it forever. Sweet. / s

That might be true, but you have to remember that you're dealing with the stupid party here. Pubs have an overwhelming majority in the house right now, so of course, they are talking about making the minority more powerful.

I would predict that the instant the pubs gained control of the senate, they'd change the rules back so as to screw themselves (and us) as much as possible.

16 posted on 01/05/2011 7:04:21 AM PST by zeugma (Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam)
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To: marktwain; IamConservative

We’re ALL criminals in their eyes.

F**k ‘em. Molon Labe.


17 posted on 01/05/2011 9:09:24 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Gilbo_3; marktwain

“...and then USING them...”

The thought that THAT thought gives the other side nightmares and makes them sweat in their frilly pink panties makes me smile...

In fact, it positively makes me BEAM...


18 posted on 01/05/2011 9:12:09 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
i like that thought, although i had to re-read it a couple times to get it...8^}...too much caffeine today ???

glad to make ya smile, and the commies to wet their collective panties...

19 posted on 01/05/2011 10:10:38 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: rockrr
They do seem to have a problem with that pesky old “What goes around, comes around” thing ;-)

What they have a problem with is principles...when they are out of power they will squeal about how distasteful it is to disenfranchise those represented by the minority. That's the beauty of being a liberal, the door always swings both ways and no one is ever held to any standards.

20 posted on 01/05/2011 11:51:26 AM PST by JrsyJack (a healthy dose of buckshot will probably get you the last word in any argument.)
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To: marktwain

Someone had an interesting point on one of the other blogs:

Essentially, it was questioning why is it that the left continually pushes their agenda items (Gay marriage for example) with the idea that they are “inevitable.”

That you cannot stop them, it is coming sooner or later.

Why can’t we have the attitude that eventually the whole idea of “Gun Control” will simply fall by the wayside?

The trend as far as the basic human right of self defense is concerned is going in correct direction, we have to keep it up with the same kind of attitude that the dumb idea of disarming the law-abiding to “Protect” them will eventually fall just like every other leftist dumb idea.


21 posted on 01/05/2011 12:54:12 PM PST by Voice of Reason88 (One man with a gun can control 100 without one-Vladimir Lenin (The Statist view on guns))
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