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Witnesses: (Former presidential advisor)John Wheeler Appeared Disoriented (before death)
myfoxphilly.com ^ | 1/5/11

Posted on 01/05/2011 6:06:52 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta

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To: Rushmore Rocks
Curiouser and curiouser

You want curious, check this out:

WHO MURDERED THE CIA CHIEF?

101 posted on 01/05/2011 9:03:33 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Rushmore Rocks

No kidding Alice...


102 posted on 01/05/2011 9:07:10 AM PST by brytlea
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To: TheBigIf

Sorcha Faal is a steaming pile of nonsense. Why post it here?


103 posted on 01/05/2011 9:07:25 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Albion Wilde

ty for the ping, keep ‘em coming


104 posted on 01/05/2011 9:15:32 AM PST by tutstar
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To: MarkLevinFan
The dumpster was in Newark. He was wandering the streets of Wilmington. Sheesh

Whew... He must have really been disoriented.

105 posted on 01/05/2011 9:16:15 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: jellybean

Still, would it not be a cool movie Ala Conspiracy Theory? Kinda writes itself!


106 posted on 01/05/2011 9:16:44 AM PST by brytlea
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To: blackdog

Exactly. He wasn’t the average joe.


107 posted on 01/05/2011 9:22:55 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Lancey Howard

I’ve read about three articles this morning so far. The cops in Newark said it’s a homicide and they aren’t revealing the cause of death yet.


108 posted on 01/05/2011 9:24:53 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

I’ve explained that multiple times already in this thread. I have no idea who this person is and could care less. I happened to get this in my inbox and decided to share it. I do not buy into it but thought it was interesting what is getting passed around. Why do you have a problem with that?


109 posted on 01/05/2011 9:31:29 AM PST by TheBigIf
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To: radiohead

The only thing I can think of is maybe she sees a lot of people like this, maybe a lot of druggies, drunks etc in that area? I don’t know, I don’t live in a place like that, so I’m only speculating. I know it would be VERY out of place to me, but maybe not to her. If you lived where that was common place you might, after awhile, stop getting yourself involved.


110 posted on 01/05/2011 9:32:24 AM PST by brytlea
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To: little jeremiah
and they aren’t revealing the cause of death yet.

Huh.. That's interesting.

111 posted on 01/05/2011 9:32:48 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: TomGuy

If I recall at least the initial reports mentioned several blackbird species, starlings, redwing blackbirds were what I recall. When we lived in TX I remember that they tended to flock together along with cowbirds and some other blackbird types. Most people probably would not recognize them as separate species (altho they would probably know that the redwings were different since their wings give them away pretty easily).
I’m only pointing this out because whatever happened probably didn’t target a species but just whatever was in the area, and they were likely flocking together, as they tend to do.


112 posted on 01/05/2011 9:36:12 AM PST by brytlea
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To: MarkLevinFan

Perhaps mugged and a head injury? That seems logical to me.


113 posted on 01/05/2011 9:39:23 AM PST by brytlea
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To: MarkLevinFan

Irrelevent point. Can’t tell you how he got to where the dumpsters were. But the fact remains that he was dumped out of a dumpster. Got it?


114 posted on 01/05/2011 9:39:54 AM PST by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: Lancey Howard; All

Here’s a video of him, disoriented and carrying his shoe, inside the parking garage where his car wasn’t parked afterall.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/010511-images-wheeler-seen-on-surveillance-video


115 posted on 01/05/2011 9:43:15 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: toldyou

Looking a little different? What does that mean?


116 posted on 01/05/2011 9:57:40 AM PST by brytlea
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To: indylindy

Yeah, good point. THey will screw it up entirely.


117 posted on 01/05/2011 9:59:11 AM PST by brytlea
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To: TheBigIf

I commented before I saw the other people who’d commented about Sorcha Faal.

I thought most people knew that SF is total nonsense, that’s all.


118 posted on 01/05/2011 10:02:42 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah

So people can see it? Or does everything need to be filtered thru you? Come on, FReepers are quite able to read and tell if something sounds like nonsense.


119 posted on 01/05/2011 10:06:56 AM PST by brytlea
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To: little jeremiah

And I apologize for my snarky reply to you. Something IS in the water. :(


120 posted on 01/05/2011 10:10:51 AM PST by brytlea
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
My 84 year old father in law spent 3 days in the hospital because he had an acute episode of confusion, disorientation and memory loss. Brain scan, echo, stress test & carotid ultrasound all normal. BP was a little low. No critters in blood or urine culture. Blood sugar okay.

They knew what it wasn't. No definitive diagnosis.

As it turned out he was driving, became nauseous, pulled over & vomited. Has no memory of anything until he pulled into the driveway, vomited again and vaguely remembers EMT taking him out of the front door. He does not remember going into the house next door, sitting down, watching TV and telling the neighbors the car was too heavy to push.

Besides the mental confusion, he had a low grade fever, 101.5, & was dehydrated. He was given Tylenol and IV fluids. His confusion cleared over the next few hours. They kept him in for more testing.

My theory (as good as anything else at this point) was that he either had a bug or ate breakfast at the wrong place. when he vomited, he threw his
electrolytes out of whack which caused the confusion.

It is possible something similar happened to Wheeler and he met up with the wrong person. Unfortunately no one called anyone, probably assuming he was a drunk.

121 posted on 01/05/2011 10:11:25 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Ditto

“Ever hear of rapid onset or ‘sudden’ dementia?”

The coroner ruled his death a homicide.


122 posted on 01/05/2011 10:12:15 AM PST by Justa
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To: brytlea

“Looking a little different? What does that mean?”

The pharmacist was probably referring to the “disheveled” look?


123 posted on 01/05/2011 10:13:24 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Eva

How did he die? Was he shot, stabbed, poisoned? Do we know? This sounds a lot like Arkancide, where the victims shot themselves in the back of the head with a rifle.


124 posted on 01/05/2011 10:14:56 AM PST by Eva
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To: little jeremiah

Fair enough. I have never heard of SF. Some co-worker sent it to me out of the blue. I could tell it was BS conspiracy type nonsense but thought it interesting still.


125 posted on 01/05/2011 10:15:12 AM PST by TheBigIf
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To: AppyPappy

Many times acute symptoms are mistaken for intoxication.


126 posted on 01/05/2011 10:15:34 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: toldyou

Must be it, altho you would think that’s what he would have said. If someone told me someone was “looking a little different” I would think they meant a new hairdo or a change in style or a tan or something. Maybe that’s a girl thing. :)


127 posted on 01/05/2011 10:24:09 AM PST by brytlea
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To: TheBigIf

I think sometimes it’s just often to know what is being said *out there*. As soon as I read Putin I put it in my *crazy and not to be believed* file, but still, I read it.


128 posted on 01/05/2011 10:25:23 AM PST by brytlea
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To: Justa
The coroner ruled his death a homicide.

I was not speaking to the cause of death. My reply was to the poster who claimed that dementia only develops slowly over time. That is not the case. It can come on suddenly (in minutes or hours) due to underlying medical conditions. See the link I posted.

129 posted on 01/05/2011 10:35:38 AM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Eva

“How did he die? Was he shot, stabbed, poisoned?”

One of the few details the police have not revealed.

We know where he was last seen, around 8:30 pm on Dec. 30th, acting disoriented, in the Nemours Bldg., 1007 N. Market St, Wilmington.

The next day he was observed being dumped from the garage truck into the landfill. They are assuming that he was in one of the dumpsters that was emptied from the east side of Newark. One of the dumpsters they mentioned was at a bank at the College Square Shopping Center, and another at Goodwill, which is nearby. These locations are approximately 12.5 miles away from where he was last seen.

He couldn’t have driven there because they found his car still parked in a garage in Wilmington.


130 posted on 01/05/2011 10:44:17 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
What's the Obama CIA's equivalent of Polonium?


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

131 posted on 01/05/2011 10:44:18 AM PST by The Comedian (Puzzling puzzle pieces precisely proliferating panoramically.)
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To: Ditto
No one has commented on the alledged fued that Wheeler was having with his neighbor.

Police found evidence linking John Parsons Wheeler 3d to devices planted at the New Castle home of a neighbor with whom he had been feuding, said the source, who is close to the investigation. The feud was over the size of the neighbor's house, which was under construction in the city's historic district.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110105_Man_found_in_landfill_tied_to_arson_attempt.html

132 posted on 01/05/2011 10:46:10 AM PST by CodeJockey (Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet he invented. Oh, the irony!)
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To: CodeJockey

“No one has commented on the alledged fued that Wheeler was having with his neighbor.”

It’s been posted at least three times on this thread and many times on three other threads prior to this one. The FBI was called to investigate the smoke bomb that was tossed into the Marini’s house, which is under construction. They suspect John Wheeler did it.


133 posted on 01/05/2011 10:50:16 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: blackdog

That’s what I’m thinking too — he could have stopped off for a drink somewhere, been drugged, followed and murdered when he was incapable of protecting himself. With all the secrets he probably had, he should have had some kind of protection.


134 posted on 01/05/2011 10:50:16 AM PST by TiaS
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To: CodeJockey

I read that, but that just seems odd. I find it hard to believe a man of his stature would plant incendiary devices in the home of that neighbor and to what end? Would that really make them decide to stop building it? Really? If true that sounds much more like something planted and makes it start to sound like some sort of cover up (which I actually had been leaning away from).


135 posted on 01/05/2011 11:17:40 AM PST by brytlea
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To: toldyou

Oh, the device was a smoke bomb?


136 posted on 01/05/2011 11:19:39 AM PST by brytlea
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To: MarkLevinFan; All
Am wondering if he had any other signs of mental issue before this happened - i.e. some small earlier strokes etc. Might explain some earlier behaviors. . .

Am wondering too; if perhaps, when briefcase was stolen - assuming it was - if he was not hit on the head by perp; which may have caused some bleeding etc; and so 'from there'.. .he went downhill. Although; none of this yet explains; how he ended up in dumpster. Was he 'placed inside', or was he confused and still 'just looking' for his briefcase. . .

Again; too bad this was not appropriately dealt with by the 'Security' when he clearly demonstrated he needed 'real' assistance.

137 posted on 01/05/2011 11:21:23 AM PST by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . .and Obama, not made in the USA either.. .)
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To: TheBigIf

Very interesting. The internet allows things to get out.


138 posted on 01/05/2011 11:22:16 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, than Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: brytlea

The device was a “rodent” smoke bomb.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-05/police-ex-pentagon-official-confused-before-death.html


139 posted on 01/05/2011 11:24:38 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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Is this the same Jack Wheeler discussed in this 2004 FR thread?
140 posted on 01/05/2011 11:28:20 AM PST by Rio
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To: MarkLevinFan

Would you consider that an incendiary device? I don’t really know, but when I first heard it I thought of something more like a molotov cocktail.


141 posted on 01/05/2011 11:36:01 AM PST by brytlea
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To: Albion Wilde; Dr. Scarpetta
Weird.

Here's a link to still shots from the surveillance video showing Wheeler walking around holding his shoe...


142 posted on 01/05/2011 11:36:12 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: brytlea
Would you consider that an incendiary device?

Apparently, the police do.

143 posted on 01/05/2011 11:37:36 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: MarkLevinFan

Technically I would say yes it is, I guess it could cause a fire, but would the intent likely be to start a fire? I’m just wondering, why would someone likely do that? It actually just seems like a stupid thing to do. Maybe he had some sort of psychotic break.


144 posted on 01/05/2011 11:41:05 AM PST by brytlea
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To: brytlea

There are so many unanswered questions. It’s interesting how facts are trickling out. I’m sure this mystery will be solved soon.


145 posted on 01/05/2011 11:45:42 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: Ditto
Thank You for that link of sudden onset dellerium. It explains many of my postings right here on FR.

I plan on using it in any future legal defense in which I need to explain myself regarding any federal, state, or municipal complaint/s.

I love the sudden onset aspect as well as the recovery or relief of symptoms. Most predictable however would be the pharmacology of many cases, that being from drug use gone bad. That too would explain many of my postings right here on FR.

146 posted on 01/05/2011 11:49:38 AM PST by blackdog
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To: cricket

Good questions and concerns.

Fox has just reported that he had a problem with his neighbors whose house size was detrimental to his ‘view’. There was speculation that Wheeler had planted an incendiary device.

Perhaps some, or all, of this is true and he was both stressed out and remorseful of his own appalling actions. If he suffered from any form of dementia or early onset Alzheimers - I believe your assessment of his searching for his briefcase in the dumpster seems rational; or that he was urinating or decided to sit in the dumpster to get warm. Then he fell asleep and the dumpster was lifted up causing a fatal injury. Sometimes thing aren’t what they seem. Including murder.’


147 posted on 01/05/2011 11:57:27 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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To: blackdog

A TIA often called a mini-stroke will produce results like this. My mother had an event like this in her eighties. She dropped my dad off at the front entrance to the hospital and then proceded to get disoriented in the parking garage and ended up in the ER but was able to get straightened out in a few hours.


148 posted on 01/05/2011 12:00:08 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: MarkLevinFan

I hope so. But sometimes these things sort of fizzle and there is never a very believeable resolution. I hope for his families sake tho, he didn’t do something stupid.


149 posted on 01/05/2011 12:00:37 PM PST by brytlea
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To: sodpoodle

While I agree, the police from the beginning have said homicide. I think they generally tend toward not homicide, so it would appear there was something about his injuries that looked more like murder. But, of course, we have to wait until they tell us something.
Still, perhaps, a mugging, hit on the head, etc etc. THAT could fit the rest of it, AND would look like (and in fact be) homicide.


150 posted on 01/05/2011 12:05:53 PM PST by brytlea
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