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Witnesses: (Former presidential advisor)John Wheeler Appeared Disoriented (before death)
myfoxphilly.com ^ | 1/5/11

Posted on 01/05/2011 6:06:52 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta

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To: Rio

They were both known as Jack Wheeler, but they are not the same person. I didn’t read this thread until today. Very interesting story, and I had forgotten about the Dr. Wheeler from the thread in 2004 though I’ve read other stuff from his website on Freerepublic.


201 posted on 01/06/2011 11:18:53 AM PST by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: Albion Wilde

Calm down now, slowly, remove your head from your ass, and breathe.


202 posted on 01/06/2011 1:13:01 PM PST by SgtHooper
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To: danamco

Here ya go....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2652545/posts?page=1

Go get them.


203 posted on 01/06/2011 1:14:57 PM PST by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf

Why don’t you just to redeem yourself, LOL!!!


204 posted on 01/06/2011 2:02:21 PM PST by danamco (')
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To: tutstar

Savage was talking about it last night. I tried to get back to all of us interested but FR was down. Shucks.


205 posted on 01/06/2011 3:20:44 PM PST by Bronzy (We Remembered In November.)
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To: Albion Wilde; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ...

Thanks Albion Wilde.


206 posted on 01/06/2011 7:43:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Interesting, but the writer failed to note that the current there goes in two directions--the Wicomico is tidal there, the sand spit is known as "Lancaster's Bar", and extends some distance offshore below the surface.

The road there was to a pier for an oyster packing house which burned in the early '60s (iirc on the date), the old Rock Point Post Office should have been just up the hill about 150 meters, there was a store, made of the same concrete across the road which burned (as many older historical buildings at Rock Point did) about 15 years later.

I grew up in that area, on the water.

Yes, a small craft can be filled with an incredible amount of sand, depending on the tides and waves involved, in a short period of time.

I saw no mention of having asked what the wind direction was (onshore or off), wind speed (The Wicomico is about 2 miles wide there, and if from the southeast, the fetch (distance the wind has blowing over the water to generate waves) goes all the way to Westmoreland VA, a distance of over 12 miles, and certainly enough to generate some significant waves--especially on a falling tide.

That kind of wave activity can fill a beeached, beam on to the waves 16 ft. rental boat (The kind they used to rent the tourists over at Captain John's) half full of sand in just a few hours (4-5) if the conditions are right.

I'm not saying there aren't questions about Mr. Colby's demise, there, just that there are places in the 'evidence' that could be filled in to make the scenario tighter or might leave it open to question.

The question I would ask the author is one of who and why.

But I think we need to look toward Texas for the answer to that question.

207 posted on 01/06/2011 10:47:00 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SgtHooper
Calm down now, slowly, remove your head from your ass, and breathe.

Hey, I just post the stuff. You are still fully responsible for your own ability to debate rationally.

Stay classy now, hear?

208 posted on 01/07/2011 8:31:02 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jellybean
“Who Is Sorcha Faal?”

Perhaps Sorcha's middle name is Epic.


Mega LOLs!

209 posted on 01/07/2011 8:36:09 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Albion Wilde

So sorry. Was an unwarrented mis-post during happy hour! :-)


210 posted on 01/07/2011 8:48:54 AM PST by SgtHooper
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To: Albion Wilde

I can’t believe it’s taken 2 days for someone to get that!


211 posted on 01/07/2011 1:32:20 PM PST by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: SgtHooper
So sorry. Was an unwarrented mis-post during happy hour! :-)

No worries -- we're cool. Just be careful with those happy hours not to be found wandering dishelved with a shoe in one hand....

212 posted on 01/08/2011 6:53:52 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jellybean
I can’t believe it’s taken 2 days for someone to get that!

I developed my FR habit while I was unemployed. Now that I'm working again, there's a time squeeze... :-D

I have found that subtle jokes often get overlooked here, taken literally, or (sigh) "explained"...

213 posted on 01/08/2011 6:58:50 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Albion Wilde

LOL!


214 posted on 01/08/2011 7:27:26 AM PST by SgtHooper (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: brytlea
I find it hard to believe a man of his stature would plant incendiary devices in the home of that neighbor and to what end? Would that really make them decide to stop building it? Really? If true that sounds much more like something planted and makes it start to sound like some sort of cover up...

I totally agree. In the absence of any legitimate claim of mental impairment, a high-school trick like smoke bombs does not make sense. He would have had knowledge of (and access to) much more sophisticated methods if he had even decided to do something to their property, which I highly doubt in view of his position.

215 posted on 01/08/2011 8:00:22 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Rio
Is this the same Jack Wheeler discussed in this 2004 FR thread?

Great biography of Wheeler -- thanks for posting!

216 posted on 01/08/2011 8:24:57 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: abbyg55
Wheeler... would have had easy access to his shoe which he may have used to fend off his attacker... aggressively it would seem since...the shoe was broken. ...he could have suffered a concussion during the attack which can cause amnesia and confusion. That would account for his disoriented search for the few things he remembered - his car, his hotel and Wilmington. Whoever botched the first attempt probably tracked Wheeler down later and finished him off, then dumped his body in the dumpster to escape detection.

Your theory is logical and plausible. The dumpster thing, 12 to 14 miles away has my mind racing.

The dump-doers either were using a Mafia technique because they were Mafia-connected; or they were covert agency operatives wanting to make the dumping look like Mafia, exploiting knowledge of Wheeler's fight with his "waste-management"-connected neighbors.

217 posted on 01/08/2011 8:43:21 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Hot Tabasco
His body was most likely in a dumpster (either voluntarily if he climbed in to escape the cold or mugged and thrown into it)

The landfill and dumptrucks were in the town of Newcastle, 12.5 miles away from the site of his dishelved wandering in Wilmington, which most likely has a different trash administration. So him wandering into a dumpster to get warm just doesn't fly.

Logically, he was therefore placed in a faraway dumpster by his killers, or by other lawbreakers who found his dead body and decided to dispose of it rather than report it. The second scenario is only likely to have been homeless or street people who congregate in a Newcastle alleyway already containing a dumpster, but who would not themselves have transported the body from Wilmington, where Wheeler was last seen in a disoriented condition.

218 posted on 01/08/2011 8:55:25 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Lancey Howard; blackdog
I wonder what Ramona Africa is doing these days? And wasn’t the little boy who escaped named Birdie Africa? It’s hard to believe that happened over 25 years ago...

Excerpt from:
Philadelphia Daily News, May. 7, 2010
Birdie Africa: The lone child survivor of MOVE fire

"After MOVE, [Birdie's] father helped him pick out a [new] name -Michael Moses [Ward]- from the Bible. He adjusted to life as a typical teen growing up in Lansdale, Montgomery County, where he played football in high school. In 1991 he and his dad settled a suit with the city for $840,000 plus lifelong, escalating monthly payments starting at $1,000 each.

"Today, Michael, 38, is divorced from his high-school sweetheart with whom he has two kids: Rhonda, now 16, and named after his mother; and Michael, 12.

"Through his father, he declined to be interviewed by the Daily News. In a 2005 Inquirer interview, he said he worked as a long-distance trucker and a barber. He served in the Army from 1997 to 2001, rising to the rank of sergeant. Andino Ward said his intensely private son was no longer a trucker but declined to say what he does now..."

219 posted on 01/08/2011 9:22:24 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: cricket; Lancey Howard
Colby: despite 'powers that be' find this story, 'still' amazing. . .and do not think family naive in their grief; just smart; and do not think wife forgot about that phone bill. . .

There were probably other numbers on that bill which would have been classified, and she wouldn't have been permitted to divulge them. Also, if she did find the evidence the reporter was seeking (another phone call that night after he talked to her but just before his death), she would have been more likely to give that evidence to authorities than to a reporter.

220 posted on 01/08/2011 9:36:25 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Rio; petitfour
"Is this the same Jack Wheeler discussed in this 2004 FR thread?"
Great biography of Wheeler -- thanks for posting!

Whoops -- just saw Petitfour's advice in post 201 that the bio you posted is of a different John Wheeler.... thanks, Petitfour.

221 posted on 01/08/2011 9:51:09 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta


Boyer, and two other employees, offered to help him and even offered
him some money, which he declined.

Well, there is still some love in heart of the cold, hard city.

This case is beyond sad. Wheeler’s West Point roommate appeared on
Fox News Channel and said the story of Wheeler’s last days is totally
inconsistent with the excellent soldier and human being he knew.
I think the roommate was General Scales. He did say he wouldn’t have
made it through his science classes (and West Point) without Wheeler’s help.

Myself, not being a doctor, can only speculate Wheeler either had
something like a stroke or got beaten about the head by some thug(s).

RIP


222 posted on 01/08/2011 9:51:39 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOA

I agree. It is beyond sad. Wheeler was obviously a brilliant guy, and the whole thing is making no sense. Geraldo was supposed to be covering it tonight, but that probably won’t happen after the breaking news today.


223 posted on 01/08/2011 6:56:45 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Police Silent

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110115/NEWS01/101150336/Delaware-police-mum-about-cause-of-former-Pentagon-official-John-Wheeler-s-death


224 posted on 01/16/2011 9:16:13 AM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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