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Witnesses: (Former presidential advisor)John Wheeler Appeared Disoriented (before death)
myfoxphilly.com ^ | 1/5/11

Posted on 01/05/2011 6:06:52 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta

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To: muawiyah
Are you following this story?

If so, what is your take on it?

And what do you think about article from the conspiratorial Russian press claiming the Wheeler knew the real cause of the bird & fish kills first reported in Arkansas and Louisiana, and now in Florida, and evidentally reports of similar mysterious dieoffs are coming in from many different parts of the world.

Just 'hysteria' ????

51 posted on 01/05/2011 6:58:05 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Hulka

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-767


52 posted on 01/05/2011 6:59:23 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: bereanway

If foul play is involved, the cover-up should offer a few more bodies chop-chop.


53 posted on 01/05/2011 6:59:51 AM PST by blackdog
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To: TheBigIf
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

You have got to be kidding...and you read this trash? Sorcha Faal an internet hoax queen courtesy of David Booth.

54 posted on 01/05/2011 7:03:08 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: TheBigIf
“Who Is Sorcha Faal?”

Perhaps Sorcha's middle name is Epic.

The timeline in this email is all wrong.

  1. Wheeler was traveling from Washington D.C. to Willmington, DE on Tuesday.
  2. Witnesses claim to have seen him disheveled and disoriented on Thrusday evening.
  3. Wheeler's body was found on Friday.
  4. The bird/fish kill happened on Friday night/Saturday morning.
He would have to be a clairvoyant to know about the bird deaths ahead of time.
55 posted on 01/05/2011 7:04:08 AM PST by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: Sherman Logan

Thanks.

But that tanker was never bought by the USAF and never “passed gas” during development.

And flights for the Italian and Japanese tankers never flew anywhere near AK for refueling tests or operational AAR missions.

The email is bogus.


56 posted on 01/05/2011 7:06:04 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Impala64ssa
Seems a few muggings and suspicious deaths in this administration. I read somewhere on a FR link about an Obama Chicago appointee who got mugged. His cell phone and laptop were taken.
57 posted on 01/05/2011 7:07:30 AM PST by Bronzy (We Remembered In November.)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

I get so annoyed when people make up dates for Messiah’s Return.

I have no doubt He WILL Return, and there are many things happening in the world today which match prophecy, but naming dates is against Scripture.

I prefer to be ready at any time, but if I die while waiting, that’s OK too.

Even so, Come Quickly Lord Jesus!

Regarding the dead birds and this affair, That Theory makes as much sense as any other!

RIP to an American who served his country. He deserved better.


58 posted on 01/05/2011 7:13:25 AM PST by left that other site
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To: Carley
Suffered a stroke and then was victimized by a street thug?

Yes, it does seem to add up that way. Very sad.

59 posted on 01/05/2011 7:13:49 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Napolean fries the idea powder.)
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To: IYAS9YAS
"Even more chilling than this incident is this GRU report stating that it was the second “accidental” release of Phosgene poisonous gas in as many days, as the day before, this same US Air Force KC-767 tanker aircraft also had a “critical malfunction” causing a release over the Arkansas River that killed over 100,000 fish."

The conspiracy guys who believe the government is using mind altering drugs dispersed in con trails will be all over this news...

60 posted on 01/05/2011 7:14:44 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: shield

I said that I received an e-mail not that I read this source as if I subscribe to it. I have no clue as to who the person who writes this is nor do I subscribe to it. I am just sharing what showed up in my inbox this morning.


61 posted on 01/05/2011 7:16:15 AM PST by TheBigIf
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
"DoubleTree Hotel's garage, closer to the train station"

This article has this wrong. The DoubleTree Hotel's garage is 2 block in the other direction at 7th & King St. Not that it matters, but I'm just saying...

62 posted on 01/05/2011 7:16:23 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: Paine in the Neck
Stroke = CIA

Heart Attack = NSA

Dead family pets and dead family in a hail of endless gunfire, followed by the draining of any estuary = FBI.

63 posted on 01/05/2011 7:17:54 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Sadly, his death will go barely noticed; the American people seem no longer to care as they continue to seek their solace in their propaganda media lies rather than confronting the brutal truth about the monsters they have let rule over them.

While I don't believe the story line, this statement is, sadly nevertheless, a pretty accurate assessment.

64 posted on 01/05/2011 7:18:42 AM PST by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
All to pathetic. They 'Security' - if he appeared to have dementia; which meant he needed help - should have called police; particularly since he was already robbed of his briefcase (good excuse; not to mention, his 'lost' state of mind/being/physical).

Who knows; Wheeler may have gotten some real help for a stroke or whatever he was suffering from or 'whom' he may have suffered from. That they simply watched him 'go' off on his own; seems at the least, irresponsible.

65 posted on 01/05/2011 7:18:42 AM PST by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . .and Obama, not made in the USA either.. .)
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To: MarkLevinFan

I take that back. I just read this article where he was seen closer to the train station looking for his car. Apparently, the guy was suffering from some sort of dementia.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/01/04/video-released-in-murder-mystery-of-del-war-vet/


66 posted on 01/05/2011 7:19:53 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: oh8eleven

<And Goldsborough never thought to call 911?

I just saw her on the news and she seemed nice enough, and certainly observant, but I thought the same thing you did - you have a disoriented person in front of you, with no coat on and 1 shoe in his hand and you don’t take this person aside and call the police? Seems like a no brainer to me.


67 posted on 01/05/2011 7:21:21 AM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: radiohead

Do you have any idea what bizarro behavior the serf class in the DC metro area is exposed to on a daily basis from their masters? Taking an interest into what these elites who provide your wages is frowned upon. For all the attendant knew the guy was just at a Gary Condit party. Don’t Ask / Don’t Tell, philosophy applies to much more than being gay and in the army ya’ know.


68 posted on 01/05/2011 7:27:41 AM PST by blackdog
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To: TheBigIf

The problem with the accusation of aircraft malfunction releasing the gas is that the ‘deaths’ seemed to be to specific species.

Were it aerial poisonous gas, it would have killed all flying species, rather than just the starlings.

Were it poisonous gas released into the Arkansas river, it would have killed more than just the drum fish.

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Quantities (a few dozen to tens of thousands) of birds falling out of the sky have been noticed in numerous locations through the world. Just this morning a report came out of Scandinavia.

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A caller to Michael Savage’s radio program speculated that Wheeler may have been involved with the Stuxnet virus and his death was in retaliation.

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A lot of speculation. Few answers. And the results of autopsies of the dead species probably won’t satisfy the tinfoil crowds.

Exploding fireworks?

#1, very few small towns typically set off fireworks on New Years.

#2, if they do, it would be at midnight, not during the day.

#3, we don’t hear about massive numbers of birds falling out of the sky on the 4th of July.

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69 posted on 01/05/2011 7:33:51 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: All

Many things can lead to sudden dementia. A stroke certainly. Also, prescription pain killers can do it. Wilmington has such a high crime rate that most of the stores & restaurants close after 6:00 pm. If the guy was wandering the streets in Wilmington, he was most likely mugged.


70 posted on 01/05/2011 7:34:46 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: TomGuy

“#3, we don’t hear about massive numbers of birds falling out of the sky on the 4th of July.”

Very good point.


71 posted on 01/05/2011 7:38:56 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Carley

“Suffered a stroke and then was victimized by a street thug?”

How about suffered a stroke and in his disorientation climbed into a garbage dumpster in an attempt to get out of the very cold weather.........


72 posted on 01/05/2011 7:40:46 AM PST by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: AlphaOneAlpha

The garbage dumpsters the truck picked up were 15 miles away in Newark, DE. I don’t see how he could have walked there, do you?


73 posted on 01/05/2011 7:43:04 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Boyer, and two other employees, offered to help himBUT DID NOT CALL 911.
74 posted on 01/05/2011 7:43:42 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Cathy
Why didn’t anyone call the Police? He refused help but looked like he was suffering from dementia, approached by several people? Weird.

Depends upon the indigenous street people population in any big city. If they are a constant presence, no one is going to call the police. You will write off anyone acting that way as just another drunken bum.

75 posted on 01/05/2011 7:45:28 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: NonValueAdded

Street bums are a constant presence in Wilmington.


76 posted on 01/05/2011 7:48:35 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: Justa
Sounds like a brain injury. Ergo, mugged, beaten.

Sounds most likely to me too since it's the simplest explanation. Disoriented, looking for warmth, dies alone in a dumpster. Poor guy.

77 posted on 01/05/2011 7:49:03 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: hoosiermama

If you want to keep your job and pulse in the DC area, you do not call 911 on any of the disoriented ruling elites there unless they tell you to do so, with exacting words. To call 911 every time one of the elites gets pissed up, sexed up, confused or disoriented would crash the system, and that’s with congress out of session.


78 posted on 01/05/2011 7:50:02 AM PST by blackdog
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To: radiohead

The police in this area do not like to be bothered, and they will make you sorry you ever got involved. Anyone who’s been here for any length of time is conditioned not to get involved. It doesn’t solve anything, and it only causes the good Samaritan problems.


79 posted on 01/05/2011 7:50:34 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: blackdog

He told them his brief case had been stolen....Mugged/hit on the head would cause disorientation. 911 should have been called no matter what the system said.

What was in that brief case?


80 posted on 01/05/2011 7:53:38 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: All

Man found in landfill tied to arson attempt

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20110105_Man_found_in_landfill_tied_to_arson_attempt.html?page=2&c=y#ixzz1AB14mUok


81 posted on 01/05/2011 7:53:42 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: Albion Wilde

Yes, Wheeler was so disoriented that he threw himself into a dumpster and died (we don’t yet know the cause of the death).


82 posted on 01/05/2011 7:59:51 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

The garbage dumpsters the truck picked up were 15 miles away in Newark, DE. I don’t see how he could have walked there, do you?


83 posted on 01/05/2011 8:05:06 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
On his show last night, Savage mentioned that the street/area where he was last witnessed is also near the DOJ building in Wilmington.

I was actually listening to that show in the car.

84 posted on 01/05/2011 8:07:16 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: PGalt

You’re welcome...


85 posted on 01/05/2011 8:10:45 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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Here’s an in-depth article
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110105/NEWS01/101050356/Wheeler-s-disheveled-final-days


86 posted on 01/05/2011 8:11:29 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks for the ping!


87 posted on 01/05/2011 8:13:27 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: All

King street is the main bus route out of Wilmington. He could easily have taken a bus to Newark and crawled into a dumpster there, I suppose. But, that’s kind of a stretch.


88 posted on 01/05/2011 8:16:03 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

His pharmacist in New Castle, where he lived, said he came in looking “a little different” and asked for a ride. The pharmacist offered to call him a cab. Instead, Wheeler left.

Forty minutes later, he was seen wandering around a Wilmington parking garage near the county courthouse, carrying one shoe and not wearing a coat. Parking attendants called a security guard, reporting a homeless man in the garage.

“He had dirt on his right leg. His eyes were red, like he was crying or something and he said he was robbed,” the security guard told the paper, adding that he was wearing a suit and did not smell of alcohol.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/before_death_vietnam_vet_seen_disoriented_erratic.php


89 posted on 01/05/2011 8:17:21 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
My DE buddy has this to report:

"Wow, I hadn't checked on the story yet today. Very interesting developments. I can't see him getting mugged and dumped like that, it's just too weird. How and why he ended up in Newark is obviously key.

So they have a cause of death, but they aren't releasing it yet? Crazy.

There are TONS of security and traffic cameras around that part of Wilmington. They've got to be able to find something from them you would think.

Interesting. People are saying he "knew too much" or was bumped off by neighbors he was feuding with. I kinda doubt those theories, but I guess anythings possible.

My dear old conservative, Christian, tea-totaling mother thinks he had a gay lover who kilt him!

That's awesome. Good ol' mom!"

I wonder if followup with street cams will happen. Where is Chloe from '24' when you need her...

90 posted on 01/05/2011 8:20:48 AM PST by SparkyBass
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To: indylindy

Gosh, it sounds like a movie script.


91 posted on 01/05/2011 8:23:28 AM PST by brytlea
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To: Bronzy

Yes I missed some of it. Wish I got his podcasts.


92 posted on 01/05/2011 8:24:51 AM PST by tutstar
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To: brytlea

It very well could be someday, except Foolywood would make the bad guys us. LOL


93 posted on 01/05/2011 8:25:15 AM PST by dforest
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Latest from Delaware online...perhaps more of the same..

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110105/NEWS01/101050356/-1/news01


94 posted on 01/05/2011 8:34:43 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Hulka
He is probably like every other parking attendant I ever met: ... (doesn't see “people,” just sees ticket revenue)
Interesting - I occasionally voice my displeasure to my local grocery store manager that his floor employees (not cashiers) treat the customers as if they were invisible.

95 posted on 01/05/2011 8:35:20 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

I thought that odd also.


96 posted on 01/05/2011 8:37:19 AM PST by brytlea
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To: GnuHere
Are they sure he was killed? Maybe he was delirious and tried to do some dumpster diving and froze to death. This is weird.

Yes, that was my first thought as well. Wheeler may have simply passed out in the dumpster when along came the trash truck. Those automatic arms picked up the dumpster and dumped the contents into the truck, whereupon Wheeler got squashed and finally dumped in the landfill.

97 posted on 01/05/2011 8:45:04 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Please read the thread. The dumpster was in Newark. He was wandering the streets of Wilmington. Sheesh!


98 posted on 01/05/2011 8:47:55 AM PST by MarkLevinFan (Thank me!)
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To: blackdog
People do not work for the DOD for decades with top secret clearance without almost every move, association, conversation, vehicle movement, phone conversation, as well as their immediate relatives and neighbors, being observed and watched.

I think you give them far more credit than they deserve. Remember that John Walker guy who sold Russians every secret he could get his hands and did it for over 10 years. Or Aldrech Ames who got away with similar stuff inside the CIA for even longer. And then Hansen at the FBI. Those guys all held top secret + clearances and got away with spying for the Russians for years and years and none of them were very careful how they did it. They all lived well beyond their means.

but dimentia does not go undetected in the intelligence community.

Ever hear of rapid onset or 'sudden' dementia?

99 posted on 01/05/2011 8:56:23 AM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: IYAS9YAS
The KC-767s mentioned are part of the 'secret fleet' of 4 KC-767s used to refuel the RS-90 (AKA the Aurora) - the recce bird runs on super-cooled hydrogen rather than "liquid methane" as reported earlier. This requires special tankage and equipment to safely transfer the near liquid H2 to the aircraft in mid-air.

The new X-37B (see more here) and the recent successful testing will likely spell the end of the RS-90 program - for costs if nothing else.

As I write this, a second "X"-37 is under construction.

What that programs final designation will be is up in the air, no pun here of course, but I would suggest XL-6 (Exoatmospheric - Load-carrying) and 5th of the series, with the ill-fated USAF (X-20A) Dyna-soar from 1963 as the XL-1.

The Prime, Asset, X-23, and X-24 programs would then be the XL-2 theu -5 respectfully. The old Dyna-MOWS (Manned Orbital Weapons System) falls outside of the space-recce meme.

And everyone is getting excited about a **possible** new Chinese J-20 fighter....... pshaw.

100 posted on 01/05/2011 9:03:24 AM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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