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5 Myths About the Chinese Communist Party (Still Communist)
Foreign Policy ^ | January 2011 | Richard McGregor

Posted on 01/06/2011 10:02:24 AM PST by mojito

"China Is Communist in Name Only."

Wrong. If Vladimir Lenin were reincarnated in 21st-century Beijing and managed to avert his eyes from the city's glittering skyscrapers and conspicuous consumption, he would instantly recognize in the ruling Chinese Communist Party a replica of the system he designed nearly a century ago for the victors of the Bolshevik Revolution. One need only look at the party's structure to see how communist -- and Leninist -- China's political system remains.

...[F]or all their liberalization of the economy, Chinese leaders have been careful to keep control of the commanding heights of politics through the party's grip on the "three Ps": personnel, propaganda, and the People's Liberation Army.

The PLA is the party's military, not the country's. Unlike in the West, where controversies often arise about the potential politicization of the military, in China the party is on constant guard for the opposite phenomenon, the depoliticization of the military. Their fear is straightforward: the loss of party control over the generals and their troops. In 1989, one senior general refused to march his soldiers into Beijing to clear students out of Tiananmen Square, an incident now seared into the ruling class's collective memory. After all, the army's crackdown on the demonstrations preserved the party's hold on power in 1989, and its leaders have since worked hard to keep the generals on their side, should they be needed to put down protests again.

As in the Soviet Union, the party controls the media through its Propaganda Department, which issues daily directives, both formally on paper and in emails and text messages, and informally over the phone, to the media.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: china; chinese; communistparty; communists; cpusa; fascism; fascist; isms; krugman; marxism; pla; propaganda; socialism
A little reminder to all those Party lovers, like Tom Friedman, that a communist tyranny is still a communist tyranny.
1 posted on 01/06/2011 10:02:28 AM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

Ping


2 posted on 01/06/2011 10:04:16 AM PST by erod (Unlike the President I am a true Chicagoan.)
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To: mojito

China allows some private ownership of industry (i.e., the means of production), making it not so much “communist” in the strict Marxian sense, but “fascist”, which is simply a variation on the theme of socialism.


3 posted on 01/06/2011 10:08:34 AM PST by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: mojito

All of this makes them totalitarian fascists, not communists.

Show me a commune in today’s China.


4 posted on 01/06/2011 10:09:13 AM PST by green iguana
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To: mojito

“the new leaders pledged to adhere to ‘Marx, Lenin, Mao’ thought for ‘a long time to come’...”

Communist Party goes modern
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/DK16Ad02.html


5 posted on 01/06/2011 10:11:18 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: mojito
From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm
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From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
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We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multipolar world,” Chavez told reporters during a visit to Communist China, one of many. His “new world order” includes [RUSSIA], China, Iran,... and a significantly weakened United States, he explained.

Resurgent Communism in Latin America
by Alex Newman, March 16, 2010:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/south-america-mainmenu-37/3122-resurgent-communism-in-latin-america?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=

6 posted on 01/06/2011 10:13:15 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: mojito
As with communism in its heyday elsewhere, the party in China has eradicated or emasculated political rivals, eliminated the autonomy of the courts and media, restricted religion and civil society, denigrated rival versions of nationhood, centralized political power, established extensive networks of security police, and dispatched dissidents to labor camps.

I think this isn't a very good list to determine whether a particular government is Communist or not.

The list applies equally well to any other variety of totalitarianism, such as Nazism and Fascism, so its a totalitarianism checklist, not a Communism checklist.

Communism, if it is to have any real meaning other than totalitarian, refers to a particular type of totalitarian system whose primary goal, in theory at least, is to enforce economic equality on society.

IMO, once a party or government abandons that goal, it is no longer Communist in any meaningful sense.

It can be, and often is, evil and dangerous, but it's not really a Communist variety of evil, no matter what it calls itself.

The present system in China much more closely resembles the dominance of the literati through most of Chinese history, an oligarchy of the well-connected. Without the saving grace that the mandarin system required an examination to enter. I suspect entry into the present Chinese Communist Party is largely hereditary and co-opted.

7 posted on 01/06/2011 10:14:01 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: mojito

Its a tyranny, but I don’t think it is a “communist” one.

More like an imperial police state - with which China has several thousand years experience...


8 posted on 01/06/2011 10:15:37 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: mojito

Nice post!


9 posted on 01/06/2011 10:17:41 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: mojito

It more closely resembles Nazi Germany than the Soviet Union.


10 posted on 01/06/2011 10:18:02 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: mojito
World English Dictionary communism (ˈkɒmjʊˌnɪzəm)

1. advocacy of a classless society in which private ownership has been abolished and the means of production and subsistence belong to the community

2. any social, economic, or political movement or doctrine aimed at achieving such a society

3. ( usually capital ) Marxism Marxism-Leninism See also socialism a political movement based upon the writings of Marx that considers history in terms of class conflict and revolutionary struggle, resulting eventually in the victory of the proletariat and the establishment of a socialist order based on public ownership of the means of production

4. ( usually capital ) a social order or system of government established by a ruling Communist Party, esp in the former Soviet Union

5. chiefly ( US ) ( often capital ) any leftist political activity or thought, esp when considered to be subversive

6. communal living; communalism

#4 applies to China. None of the others do.

11 posted on 01/06/2011 10:19:46 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: mojito
Wrong. If Vladimir Lenin were reincarnated in 21st-century Beijing and managed to avert his eyes from the city's glittering skyscrapers and conspicuous consumption, he would instantly recognize in the ruling Chinese Communist Party a replica of the system he designed nearly a century ago for the victors of the Bolshevik Revolution. One need only look at the party's structure to see how communist -- and Leninist -- China's political system remains

Wrong! China has transformed into a fascist state -- Strong central control, limited free enterprise and official nationalism.

12 posted on 01/06/2011 10:28:11 AM PST by fso301
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To: GoodDay

China is indeed fascist. Of course, they have state and party directed control of whole industries. Even light industries that are outside of direct Central Gov’t central-planning, industry associations, standards boards, industry trade-fairs, etc... are under direct control of the Gov’t. The key words are “political control.”

There is nothing “new” about China’s style of Government. It has been tried a thousand times before throughout history.


13 posted on 01/06/2011 10:29:02 AM PST by PGR88
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To: mojito
the new leaders pledged to adhere to ‘Marx, Lenin, Mao’ thought for ‘a long time to come’...

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Communist Party Goes Modern
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/DK16Ad02.html

14 posted on 01/06/2011 10:34:18 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: mojito

More interesting will be the history of how the United States of America was peacefully changed from a republic of Freemen into a communist dictatorship.


15 posted on 01/06/2011 10:39:06 AM PST by mmercier
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To: mojito

China is like a bear on a little bicyle. He HAS to keep moving or he will just fall over. China has to constantly
figure out a way to keep employing a mammoth amount of people.

When its economy slows down too much the country peons will revolt because they see the rich urbans still eating. I think the Politburo sees a cultural revolution in its rear view
mirror.

Those Peasants might bring back real Communism to China. It would be good for us, because internal strife in China keeps her preoccupied and less likely to go on a Azz kicking tour of the Pacific.


16 posted on 01/06/2011 10:43:28 AM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: mmercier
Both China and Russia may well have put full-fledged communism on hold while they build up their economies and militaries.

Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew

In a bizarre 1984 book [New Lies for Old], ex-KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the liberalization of the Soviet Bloc and claimed that it would be a strategic deception. ..."

"Golitsyn's argument was that beginning in about 1960, the Soviet Union embarked on a strategy of massive long-range strategic deception which would span several decades and result in the destruction of Western capitalism and the erection of a communist world government."

"Golitsyn published his second book, The Perestroika Deception, after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. This book contained further analysis of the liberalization, in addition to previously classified memoranda submitted by Golitsyn to the CIA. The two books must be read together to get a complete picture of Golitsyn's thesis."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/did_communism_fake_its_own_dea.html

17 posted on 01/06/2011 10:48:41 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: mojito
At worst, China is an oligarchy. And this oligarchy contains 70 million members. To compare China to an old hard line communist just isn't accurate.

Some posters here, who disagree that China is communist, still give a negative branding, compares China to a fascist or something comparable to Nazism. That isn't true either.

Simply being an oligarchy does not mean the country is either a fascist or practice a form of Nazism. Britain was once ruled by the royal family. Do we refer to old England a fascist state or Nazi state? Of course not. And power in China, today, is less central than that; 70 million members vs a Royal family.

Also, keep in mind that many of the actions carried forward by the Chinese government is reflective of the will of the people. And one of them is China's current military build up. If anyone here knows something about what goes on Chinese bloggs, they would know that many ordinary Chinese are angry at their own government for always giving in to disagreements with the West.

Many ordinary conservatives in China want the same thing ordinary conservatives in America want, and that is, a country that has the sovereignty to guard their own national interests, whether domestic or foreign. And like many conservatives in America who are angry at their own government at what they see as "appeasing the Chinese", many Chinese are angry at their own government for they see as "appeasing the US".

The Chinese government are fully aware of their nations own history of revolving dynasties and that if governments don't give what the people want can be forced out of office. In many ways, the Chinese "Communist" government behave more like a democracy than the chaotic democracy of India.

18 posted on 01/06/2011 12:14:56 PM PST by ponder life
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To: ETL

Russia is doing an excellent job of pretending to fall apart demographically. Quite convincing.


19 posted on 01/06/2011 12:14:59 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: ETL

Russia is doing an excellent job of pretending to fall apart demographically. Quite convincing.


20 posted on 01/06/2011 12:16:01 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Their bogus attempt at Capitalism is indeed falling apart. That was/is part of the plan. At some point down the line, they will claim they need to go back to Communism because Capitalism ‘doesn’t work’. And it’ll be coordinated with what Obama is trying to do here, and with Hugo Chavez and others are doing elsewhere. It’ll be the “new world order” the communists have been dreaming about for years.


21 posted on 01/06/2011 2:38:04 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Russia's Leaders See China as Template for Ruling
New York Times ^ | October 17, 2009 | CLIFFORD J. LEVY

MOSCOW — Nearly two decades after the collapse of the Communist Party, Russia’s rulers have hit upon a model for future success: the Communist Party.

Or at least, the one that reigns next door.

Like an envious underachiever, Vladimir V. Putin’s party, United Russia, is increasingly examining how it can emulate the Chinese Communist Party, especially its skill in shepherding China through the financial crisis relatively unbowed.

United Russia’s leaders even convened a special meeting this month with senior Chinese Communist Party officials to hear firsthand how they wield power. ..."

“The accomplishments of China’s Communist Party in developing its government deserve the highest marks,” Aleksandr D. Zhukov, a deputy prime minister and senior Putin aide, declared at the meeting with Chinese officials on Oct. 9

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...

22 posted on 01/06/2011 2:46:10 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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Symposium: Secrets of Communism’s [so-called] “Collapse”
by Jamie Glazov
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/09/23/symposium-secrets-of-communism%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Ccollapse%E2%80%9D/


23 posted on 01/06/2011 3:07:18 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: NeverForgetBataan
Those Peasants might bring back real Communism to China. It would be good for us, because internal strife in China keeps her preoccupied

There would be mass slaughter of pro-democracy student and other activists.

24 posted on 01/06/2011 3:12:22 PM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

“There would be mass slaughter of pro-democracy student and other activists”
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Well... that would be bad, I agree, but not much we can do. I only hope for internal meltdown, so they are too busy with
that to go make trouble elsewhere.

And FWIW, I am really tired of hearing about defectors from China, who come here, and then get caught passing tech
secrets to the old country. I’m not sure that “democracy” means the same thing to a Chinese that it does to us.


25 posted on 01/06/2011 3:26:14 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: NeverForgetBataan
It would be good for us, because internal strife in China keeps her preoccupied and less likely to go on a Azz kicking tour of the Pacific.

Well, finally, one of the most honest words on the FR in regards to China. Despite all the rhetoric here critical of China being a Communist country, I believe many on the FR share your sentiment and want the old hardline Communist China back. One that was full of internal strife and had difficulty moving forward.

26 posted on 01/07/2011 5:39:30 PM PST by ponder life
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