I would agree.
Posted on 01/06/2011 12:01:25 PM PST by smoothsailing
Eric Shawn
January 6, 2011
John Wheeler walked into a Wilmington, Delaware sandwich shop less than 24 hours before he was killed and had “super bloodshot eyes,” according to the person who sold him coffee. The clerk, who did not want to be identified, says he thought Wheeler was homeless and that clearly something was wrong.
"His eyes were the most bloodshot I have ever seen,” he told Fox News, saying that it appeared he had been wearing the same clothes for a long time, because the cuffs on his white shirt were filthy. But the clerk said when Wheeler started to talk, he appeared to interact normally and was mentally aware, ordering a cup of coffee. He told us he did not appear to be confused and disoriented as others have said, and that he sold him coffee at about 8 a.m. on the morning of Thursday, December 30th....
(Excerpt) Read more at liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com ...
TOO many “witnesses” spouting off.
Something very weird happened here.
Maybe it’s a Putin hit?
Another story we will never truly know what happened to this guy.
You'd think he would be carrying....maybe he was....
Anyways, it sounds like he was hunting...and he might have eventually caught up with them...and then they did him in....
We're really being told "0".
Bump and ping, have you guys been following this? The surveillance video looks like he’s staggering around - it’s very weird. I remember him being interviewed many times about various incidents on the cable news channels.
Obviously a very sophisticated hit job, complete with planted evidence to implicate him for arson. If there was a glitch, it was most likely the fact that he didn’t die as quickly as expected and had to be “finished off” and put into a dumpster before he became able to articulate what had happened to him.
Poisoned? Was he trying to leave clues everywhere?? Sounds like an NCIS episode.
To me, the vids indicate someone that had been drugged. The ? is what is the bloodwork showing. Drugs would get info out of him. They are trying to circle this around to him being a problem NOT the victim. Because the perps are of foreign origin?
I would agree.
Now we have “strange bloodshot eyes.” Next a witness will add “strange bloodshot eyes accompanied by a rapid clenching and unclenching of the fingers.” The only real question being where were Bill & Hillary when all this was going down?
I wondered about that shoe....someone said it was broke....but how do men's shoes break so that they're absolutely unwearable.
I bet he got a shot in with his shoe and there was the perps blood on it and maybe prints.
It had to be important for him to be carrying it...not just the money...not that it was repairable...the shoe was evidence....FIND THE SHOE!!!
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Not really. It was just his CIA Retirement party. Happens to all of them, sooner or later. When an asset turns into a liability, you must 'retire' it. (/sarcasm....maybe)
Sounds to me like this man was drugged, causing the blood shot eyes and extreme confusion. A good cover for a homicide? Foster was apparently not suicidal, so?
What was Savage’s take on this?
Yes, I’ve been trying to follow it. Really, really strange. I can’t help but wonder if he had been poisoned. Anxious to see what the tox reports show. The police/investigators are too quiet.
What would cause eyes to be blood shot? I’m imagining his were all red. Any chance a blood vessel ruptured?
Savage spoke of the government building near where he was spotted, being occupied by the SEC and other govt. agencies. He thinks it's "very scary" and suspicious but he could only speculate.
All of this described behavior seems very out of character for this man who was reportedly very smart, and involved in cyber activities or investigations of some sort.
Yes, it does seem the shoe is a big clue as to what may have happened.
I just don’t see the house being built across the street from him resulting in a lawsuit being part of this. Unless, of course, those people are part of the mob or something.
Could be a random act of robbery ?
Wheeler mystery bump for later......
Thank you
He obviously wasn’t RED.
As for the shoe, given his obvious somewhat diminished capacity, at some point prior to when he was caught in that video, he could easily have tripped, had the shoe come off, then just picked it up and started carrying it rather than putting it back on.
If these news reports are accurate, the police say Wheeler appears to have changed at least some of his clothing during his final days. This leads me to wonder if he perhaps did make it back to his car before continuing his wanderings. A confused, well-to-do guy wandering the streets would be an easy mark for someone intent on robbery.
That could be a sign of poisoning.
"Two days before John P. Wheeler III's body was found, parking garage videos showed him in a black suit with no tie, wearing only one shoe even though there was snow outside. The 66-year-old New Castle resident was carrying his other, ripped, burgundy loafer."
Maybe this guy was a diabetic or had some other medical issue that wasn't managed properly?
“Savage” was just saying that this was VERY suspicious and was soliciting theories from his listeners.
Best one was a guy who called in and postulated that maybe Wheeler had found out the truth behind the origin of the wikileaks data.
Another mystery is how Wheeler’s body ended up in a dumpster in a heavily traveled commercial area of Newark, a college town located more than 13 miles away. The garbage truck that picked up Wheeler’s body started its route before 4:30 a.m. and arrived at the landfill at 10 a.m., after making 10 stops at a variety of businesses, including a public library, a seniors’ complex, and a car dealership. Many of the dumpsters were either locked or had surveillance cameras posted nearby. Police say they believe that Wheeler’s body was collected at the beginning of the route based on its location in the garbage truck.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/06/bush-official-john-p-wheeler-murder-case-deepens.html
Place your bets.
John Wheeler was murdered by:
1) Government agent by poisoning.
2) Foreign agent by poisoning.
3) Angry neighbor’s agent by delayed affects of assault.
4) Opportunistic mugger.
or
5) suffered from a delayed reaction to a mugging and tried to use his skills to catch the thief.
then
6) took a medication overdose and became alternately confused, cold and finally suffered from hypothermia in the dumpster; where he tried to find warmth and a place to rest/hide.
7) had a stroke or cardiac incident which caused confusion and disorientation and died from hypothermia in the dumpster.
8) before succumbing to hypothermia - he suffered injuries by the movement of the dumpster or persons throwing heavy trash on top of his comatose body.
Considerations: He was not approached or stopped by any police officers or reported as acting suspiciously or vulnerable to the elements - so it’s hard to imagine that he was wandering around for an extended period of time. It seems more likely that he holed up in one or more dumpsters for protection from the elements. Not wise - but from most videos and reports - he was not thinking clearly or he would have sought out help. Why didn’t he???????????????
The thing is, according to this report, he was lucid while having coffee the next day.
I thought about him being drugged as well.
No....someone is looking at something very wrong...Maybe there's a nail in the loafer...or glass....
DID EVERYONE SEE HIM WITH ONLY ONE SHOE ON???
If you don't wear a tie...you look homeless??
Just the facts....one says well dressed...one says he was a slob...another says his cuffs were filthy??? So did he fall and get his cuffs dirty...like duh...His pants appeared to have been damaged....
You mean all of those people and no one could put 2 and 2 together??
Let's say it like it is...."They really didn't want to get involved".
McInerney, a retired Air Force general, told America Live host Megyn Kelly that Wheeler had worked for at least two U.S. presidents and played a key role in raising funds to construct the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, D.C. Most importantly, however, he said Wheeler was well known as a biological and chemical warfare expert, that he thinks Wheeler was the victim of a professional hit, and that the matter should be investigated by the FBI — which leads to the question that appears as the headline of this post (and more).
http://bobmccarty.com/2011/01/04/did-john-wheeler-iii-know-too-much/
It was cold out....
Did you not know he worked in DOD? According to Lt. Co. McInnery, who appears on FOX said from the get go that this should have been immediately assigned to the FBI because of his work and security clearance. He was an expert in Bio/Chemical/Cyber Warfare.
1) Government agent by poisoning.
Poisoning may be how he got into a distressed condition, but would it explain how he ended up in a dumpster? Doesn’t seem likely he deposited himself there.
Some husbands fall apart within days of being on their own. I've seen it happen.
I haven’t heard anything about his cell phone. Was it on his body? Are they track it? GEEZ, all the tactics of “Criminal Minds” are coming to mind.
According to CM, the BAU can profile the victim to find the killers.
If he was hurt, a simple double dose of muscle relaxers is enough to make you look "out of it"...
Where's his briefcase? Where's his cell phone? Where are his keys to the house, the car, to where he was staying??
I'm betting the guy took a bullet in the end...
I'm also inclined to think his wife put out a hit on him. She never reported him missing?? She didn't even try to call in 72 hours??
Good stuff, S. We know this for sure, he was walking around holding on to his left shoe. As you’ve said, there is something about that shoe.
It’s been reported he was asked if he needed money and he turned it down, claiming he had plenty of money. He was found with his wallet.
He probably could have bought a pair of shoes any time he wanted.
I thought she was far away traveling, and had NO idea that he was missing?
But my instinct still points to the wife who didn't report him missing after 72 hours...
I rule out 6,7, and 8. IIRC, he was in a dumpster picked up in Newark, but he was wandering aroung in Wilmington, 10+ miles away.
Bloodshot eyes....Strangulation....No tie?? Maybe....Did he pretend to be dead??
I find it so strange, the news media keeps bringing up his court battle with his neighbors and the incendiary devices (rodent bombs, you can get at Home Depot) which is silly to me. A guy with his backround is going to all of a sudden go bonkers and intimidate someone with rodent bombs???
He was lucid enough to tell the first parking attendant that he was NOT drunk so he knew he was acting strange.
Now this report says he spoke fine when in the coffee shop.
The dumpster he ended up in was miles away from where the witness saw him. So how did an impaired man get into a dumpster miles away?
It is right out of a spy novel.
He had been a former Secretary of the SEC.
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