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Wheeler: Super Bloodshot Eyes (Delaware landfill homicide mystery)
Fox News ^ | 1-6-2011 | Eric Shawn

Posted on 01/06/2011 12:01:25 PM PST by smoothsailing

Wheeler: Super Bloodshot Eyes

Eric Shawn

January 6, 2011

John Wheeler walked into a Wilmington, Delaware sandwich shop less than 24 hours before he was killed and had “super bloodshot eyes,” according to the person who sold him coffee. The clerk, who did not want to be identified, says he thought Wheeler was homeless and that clearly something was wrong.

"His eyes were the most bloodshot I have ever seen,” he told Fox News, saying that it appeared he had been wearing the same clothes for a long time, because the cuffs on his white shirt were filthy. But the clerk said when Wheeler started to talk, he appeared to interact normally and was mentally aware, ordering a cup of coffee. He told us he did not appear to be confused and disoriented as others have said, and that he sold him coffee at about 8 a.m. on the morning of Thursday, December 30th....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Delaware
KEYWORDS: de; delaware; johnwheeler; landfill; wheeler
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1 posted on 01/06/2011 12:01:29 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

TOO many “witnesses” spouting off.

Something very weird happened here.


2 posted on 01/06/2011 12:04:17 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: smoothsailing

Maybe it’s a Putin hit?


3 posted on 01/06/2011 12:10:57 PM PST by Weird Tolkienish Figure
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To: smoothsailing

Another story we will never truly know what happened to this guy.


4 posted on 01/06/2011 12:13:36 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: Marty62
Sounds like he was wandering around trying to spot the dude/dudes who robbed him.

You'd think he would be carrying....maybe he was....

Anyways, it sounds like he was hunting...and he might have eventually caught up with them...and then they did him in....

We're really being told "0".

5 posted on 01/06/2011 12:14:21 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: smoothsailing; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; nw_arizona_granny

Bump and ping, have you guys been following this? The surveillance video looks like he’s staggering around - it’s very weird. I remember him being interviewed many times about various incidents on the cable news channels.


6 posted on 01/06/2011 12:16:09 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: smoothsailing

Obviously a very sophisticated hit job, complete with planted evidence to implicate him for arson. If there was a glitch, it was most likely the fact that he didn’t die as quickly as expected and had to be “finished off” and put into a dumpster before he became able to articulate what had happened to him.


7 posted on 01/06/2011 12:16:40 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: smoothsailing

Poisoned? Was he trying to leave clues everywhere?? Sounds like an NCIS episode.


8 posted on 01/06/2011 12:17:13 PM PST by Jane Long (2 Chron 7:14)
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To: Sacajaweau

To me, the vids indicate someone that had been drugged. The ? is what is the bloodwork showing. Drugs would get info out of him. They are trying to circle this around to him being a problem NOT the victim. Because the perps are of foreign origin?


9 posted on 01/06/2011 12:19:00 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: ColdOne
Another story we will never truly know what happened to this guy.

I would agree.


10 posted on 01/06/2011 12:21:28 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: smoothsailing

Now we have “strange bloodshot eyes.” Next a witness will add “strange bloodshot eyes accompanied by a rapid clenching and unclenching of the fingers.” The only real question being where were Bill & Hillary when all this was going down?


11 posted on 01/06/2011 12:22:22 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: WestCoastGal
He had one shoe on and one off...hence...the stagger.

I wondered about that shoe....someone said it was broke....but how do men's shoes break so that they're absolutely unwearable.

I bet he got a shot in with his shoe and there was the perps blood on it and maybe prints.

It had to be important for him to be carrying it...not just the money...not that it was repairable...the shoe was evidence....FIND THE SHOE!!!

12 posted on 01/06/2011 12:23:13 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: dynachrome

ping


13 posted on 01/06/2011 12:24:12 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: smoothsailing
Savage was all over this the other day....

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14 posted on 01/06/2011 12:26:05 PM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Aleya2Fairlie
Obviously a very sophisticated hit job,


15 posted on 01/06/2011 12:27:03 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Marty62
Something very weird happened here.

Not really. It was just his CIA Retirement party. Happens to all of them, sooner or later. When an asset turns into a liability, you must 'retire' it. (/sarcasm....maybe)

16 posted on 01/06/2011 12:34:36 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: smoothsailing
Events surrounding the murder of John P. Wheeler III, who most recently worked part-time for defense contractor Did not catch this in original story.. Now death is really suspicious!
17 posted on 01/06/2011 12:35:58 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: smoothsailing

Sounds to me like this man was drugged, causing the blood shot eyes and extreme confusion. A good cover for a homicide? Foster was apparently not suicidal, so?


18 posted on 01/06/2011 12:36:21 PM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: fishtank

What was Savage’s take on this?


19 posted on 01/06/2011 12:37:32 PM PST by angcat (DEAR GOD PLEASE SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: WestCoastGal

Yes, I’ve been trying to follow it. Really, really strange. I can’t help but wonder if he had been poisoned. Anxious to see what the tox reports show. The police/investigators are too quiet.


20 posted on 01/06/2011 12:38:39 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Paperdoll

What would cause eyes to be blood shot? I’m imagining his were all red. Any chance a blood vessel ruptured?


21 posted on 01/06/2011 12:45:03 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: angcat
What was Savage’s take on this?

Savage spoke of the government building near where he was spotted, being occupied by the SEC and other govt. agencies. He thinks it's "very scary" and suspicious but he could only speculate.

All of this described behavior seems very out of character for this man who was reportedly very smart, and involved in cyber activities or investigations of some sort.

22 posted on 01/06/2011 12:48:16 PM PST by Bronzewound
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To: Sacajaweau; Rushmore Rocks

Yes, it does seem the shoe is a big clue as to what may have happened.

I just don’t see the house being built across the street from him resulting in a lawsuit being part of this. Unless, of course, those people are part of the mob or something.

Could be a random act of robbery ?


23 posted on 01/06/2011 12:48:46 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: smoothsailing

Wheeler mystery bump for later......


24 posted on 01/06/2011 12:49:41 PM PST by indthkr
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To: Bronzewound

Thank you


25 posted on 01/06/2011 12:50:21 PM PST by angcat (DEAR GOD PLEASE SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: UCANSEE2

He obviously wasn’t RED.


26 posted on 01/06/2011 12:51:37 PM PST by Vor Lady
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To: smoothsailing
In that video, Wheeler looks to be under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Of course, there are medical conditions that can cause the same behavior. The medical examiner has ruled it a homicide although he did not give a cause of death, but there must be something about the condition of Wheeler's body that indicates homicide to a trained, experienced ME. There simply hasn't been enough information released publicly for us to make sense of this case yet.

As for the shoe, given his obvious somewhat diminished capacity, at some point prior to when he was caught in that video, he could easily have tripped, had the shoe come off, then just picked it up and started carrying it rather than putting it back on.

If these news reports are accurate, the police say Wheeler appears to have changed at least some of his clothing during his final days. This leads me to wonder if he perhaps did make it back to his car before continuing his wanderings. A confused, well-to-do guy wandering the streets would be an easy mark for someone intent on robbery.

27 posted on 01/06/2011 12:52:36 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
"rapid clenching and unclenching of the fingers"

That could be a sign of poisoning.

28 posted on 01/06/2011 12:53:39 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: Sacajaweau
Your shoe observation is good sleuthing!

"Two days before John P. Wheeler III's body was found, parking garage videos showed him in a black suit with no tie, wearing only one shoe even though there was snow outside. The 66-year-old New Castle resident was carrying his other, ripped, burgundy loafer."

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_17020856

29 posted on 01/06/2011 12:55:41 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Alergic reaction?

Maybe this guy was a diabetic or had some other medical issue that wasn't managed properly?

30 posted on 01/06/2011 12:56:17 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: angcat

“Savage” was just saying that this was VERY suspicious and was soliciting theories from his listeners.

Best one was a guy who called in and postulated that maybe Wheeler had found out the truth behind the origin of the wikileaks data.


31 posted on 01/06/2011 12:57:26 PM PST by Rio
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Another mystery is how Wheeler’s body ended up in a dumpster in a heavily traveled commercial area of Newark, a college town located more than 13 miles away. The garbage truck that picked up Wheeler’s body started its route before 4:30 a.m. and arrived at the landfill at 10 a.m., after making 10 stops at a variety of businesses, including a public library, a seniors’ complex, and a car dealership. Many of the dumpsters were either locked or had surveillance cameras posted nearby. Police say they believe that Wheeler’s body was collected at the beginning of the route based on its location in the garbage truck.

http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/06/bush-official-john-p-wheeler-murder-case-deepens.html


32 posted on 01/06/2011 1:01:36 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: smoothsailing

Place your bets.

John Wheeler was murdered by:
1) Government agent by poisoning.
2) Foreign agent by poisoning.
3) Angry neighbor’s agent by delayed affects of assault.
4) Opportunistic mugger.
or
5) suffered from a delayed reaction to a mugging and tried to use his skills to catch the thief.
then
6) took a medication overdose and became alternately confused, cold and finally suffered from hypothermia in the dumpster; where he tried to find warmth and a place to rest/hide.
7) had a stroke or cardiac incident which caused confusion and disorientation and died from hypothermia in the dumpster.
8) before succumbing to hypothermia - he suffered injuries by the movement of the dumpster or persons throwing heavy trash on top of his comatose body.

Considerations: He was not approached or stopped by any police officers or reported as acting suspiciously or vulnerable to the elements - so it’s hard to imagine that he was wandering around for an extended period of time. It seems more likely that he holed up in one or more dumpsters for protection from the elements. Not wise - but from most videos and reports - he was not thinking clearly or he would have sought out help. Why didn’t he???????????????


33 posted on 01/06/2011 1:05:28 PM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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video

http://gawker.com/5726118/


34 posted on 01/06/2011 1:05:41 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: Marty62

The thing is, according to this report, he was lucid while having coffee the next day.

I thought about him being drugged as well.


35 posted on 01/06/2011 1:08:39 PM PST by panthermom
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To: smoothsailing
ripped, burgundy loafer???....ripped to describe a shoe?? How do you rip a loafer??

No....someone is looking at something very wrong...Maybe there's a nail in the loafer...or glass....

DID EVERYONE SEE HIM WITH ONLY ONE SHOE ON???

If you don't wear a tie...you look homeless??

Just the facts....one says well dressed...one says he was a slob...another says his cuffs were filthy??? So did he fall and get his cuffs dirty...like duh...His pants appeared to have been damaged....

You mean all of those people and no one could put 2 and 2 together??

Let's say it like it is...."They really didn't want to get involved".

36 posted on 01/06/2011 1:08:52 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Rushmore Rocks; Velveeta; LucyT

McInerney, a retired Air Force general, told America Live host Megyn Kelly that Wheeler had worked for at least two U.S. presidents and played a key role in raising funds to construct the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, D.C. Most importantly, however, he said Wheeler was well known as a biological and chemical warfare expert, that he thinks Wheeler was the victim of a professional hit, and that the matter should be investigated by the FBI — which leads to the question that appears as the headline of this post (and more).

http://bobmccarty.com/2011/01/04/did-john-wheeler-iii-know-too-much/


37 posted on 01/06/2011 1:10:56 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: WestCoastGal

It was cold out....


38 posted on 01/06/2011 1:11:45 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ColdOne

Did you not know he worked in DOD? According to Lt. Co. McInnery, who appears on FOX said from the get go that this should have been immediately assigned to the FBI because of his work and security clearance. He was an expert in Bio/Chemical/Cyber Warfare.


39 posted on 01/06/2011 1:12:16 PM PST by panthermom
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To: sodpoodle

1) Government agent by poisoning.

Poisoning may be how he got into a distressed condition, but would it explain how he ended up in a dumpster? Doesn’t seem likely he deposited himself there.


40 posted on 01/06/2011 1:13:11 PM PST by JewishRighter ( Multiculturalism is killing us.)
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To: smoothsailing
it appeared he had been wearing the same clothes for a long time, because the cuffs on his white shirt were filthy.

Some husbands fall apart within days of being on their own. I've seen it happen.

41 posted on 01/06/2011 1:16:22 PM PST by Oratam
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To: panthermom

I haven’t heard anything about his cell phone. Was it on his body? Are they track it? GEEZ, all the tactics of “Criminal Minds” are coming to mind.

According to CM, the BAU can profile the victim to find the killers.


42 posted on 01/06/2011 1:16:22 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Wolfstar
When I'm on a mission....trying to get something done, I'm very focused and look like I'm under the influence or drugged. This guy was on a mission....very focused...No one has said he was incoherent in any way...

If he was hurt, a simple double dose of muscle relaxers is enough to make you look "out of it"...

Where's his briefcase? Where's his cell phone? Where are his keys to the house, the car, to where he was staying??

I'm betting the guy took a bullet in the end...

I'm also inclined to think his wife put out a hit on him. She never reported him missing?? She didn't even try to call in 72 hours??

43 posted on 01/06/2011 1:17:26 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Good stuff, S. We know this for sure, he was walking around holding on to his left shoe. As you’ve said, there is something about that shoe.

It’s been reported he was asked if he needed money and he turned it down, claiming he had plenty of money. He was found with his wallet.

He probably could have bought a pair of shoes any time he wanted.


44 posted on 01/06/2011 1:19:09 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Sacajaweau

I thought she was far away traveling, and had NO idea that he was missing?


45 posted on 01/06/2011 1:19:12 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: sodpoodle
Ok sod....I said No. 5 first....Love Ya!! Sac

But my instinct still points to the wife who didn't report him missing after 72 hours...

46 posted on 01/06/2011 1:21:24 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: sodpoodle

I rule out 6,7, and 8. IIRC, he was in a dumpster picked up in Newark, but he was wandering aroung in Wilmington, 10+ miles away.


47 posted on 01/06/2011 1:22:35 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Bloodshot eyes....Strangulation....No tie?? Maybe....Did he pretend to be dead??


48 posted on 01/06/2011 1:23:39 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Marty62

I find it so strange, the news media keeps bringing up his court battle with his neighbors and the incendiary devices (rodent bombs, you can get at Home Depot) which is silly to me. A guy with his backround is going to all of a sudden go bonkers and intimidate someone with rodent bombs???

He was lucid enough to tell the first parking attendant that he was NOT drunk so he knew he was acting strange.

Now this report says he spoke fine when in the coffee shop.

The dumpster he ended up in was miles away from where the witness saw him. So how did an impaired man get into a dumpster miles away?

It is right out of a spy novel.


49 posted on 01/06/2011 1:25:20 PM PST by panthermom
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To: Bronzewound

He had been a former Secretary of the SEC.


50 posted on 01/06/2011 1:27:35 PM PST by panthermom
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