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The terrible mistake of revoking birthright citizenship: U.S. owes Mexicans more, not less
New York Daily News ^ | Thursday, January 6th 2011 | Rogers M. Smith

Posted on 01/06/2011 9:22:56 PM PST by presidio9

As the new Congress convened, a group called State Legislators for Legal Immigration proposed two laws. One would declare that children of parents who immigrated here illegally are not born "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S. and so are not birthright citizens under the 14th Amendment. Under the other, states would issue two types of birth certificates, one for those born "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S. and one for everyone else.

The states have no power to pass the first proposed law. Congress may be able to, but it is a bad idea that will not halt illegal immigration. It also has no chance to pass the Senate or override President Obama's certain veto. If it were enacted, the courts would strike it down. It is symbolic politics expressing special hostility to Mexican immigrants, who comprise almost 60% of the nation's undocumented population.

This is a the opposite of how we should be making immigration policy. The U.S. owes more, not less, to Mexico and its immigrants than it does to other nations.

Why? Because the U.S. has treated Mexico in ways that it has treated no other nation, creating potent incentives for Mexicans to move north. Yet our immigration policy applies the same per-country cap to Mexico that it does to countries from which few wish to leave.

If the U.S. apportioned more of its overall legal immigration admissions to Mexicans, it would do far more to reduce its numbers of illegal aliens than any change in birthright citizenship would.

To suggest that the U.S. privilege Mexicans over other nationals is heresy in Washington - not to mention in Arizona.

But it is common sense if one studies history.

The story begins in 1846, when partly due to concerns that Mexico had abolished slavery, the U.S. provoked a war that resulted in America acquiring half of Mexico's territory, including the vast natural resources of California and Texas. No other nation has lost so much land to the U.S. except the Indian tribes, whose members now all have citizenship. Mexicans could stay on their conquered lands if they became American citizens. But few could provide land titles to American courts, so most lost their lands and had to work for U.S.-owned farms, mines and industries.

In the late 19th century, the modernizing Mexican dictator Porfirio Diaz drove many Mexican small farmers off their soil, turning the lands over to American-owned railroads and mining companies, who employed many of those they helped displace.

Patterns were set: Many Mexicans found they could make a living only by working for American companies, often moving to the resource-rich north to do so. Through the 20th century, American employers in farming, manufacturing and service industries often recruited Mexicans when cheap labor was needed - then callously supported mass deportations, even of Mexican-American citizens, when labor surpluses arose.

Meanwhile, many Mexicans in the U.S. suffered from severe discrimination, despite their desire to work hard and contribute to America. Many, therefore, had strong senses of their distinct cultural identities, developing a kind of cultural "dual nationality," American and Mexican.

In sum, U.S. policies have created to our south a large population that has strong kinship ties to Mexican-American communities and well-founded beliefs that they have better economic opportunities in northern areas, many once part of Mexico, than they do at home. They immigrate, more than any other nation's people - and most are then productive, peaceful residents who seek to retain their cultural identities, like many other Americans, but who are glad to become loyal citizens.

Not all Mexicans fit those descriptions. But if the U.S. altered its policies to expand opportunities for those who do, it would reduce illegal immigration and express the best American values.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 14th; 14thamendment; aliens; amendment; birthright; california; citizenship; constitution; history; immigration; mexico
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1 posted on 01/06/2011 9:22:59 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Mexico owes the US boatloads of oil.


2 posted on 01/06/2011 9:24:16 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: presidio9
"many once part of Mexico"

Mexico stole all of its land from the indigenous pre-Columbian population. Mexico needs to take the lead and disband.

3 posted on 01/06/2011 9:26:29 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: presidio9
I'm confused. Shouldn't this have a barf alert or something?

And my beeber is stuned, too.

4 posted on 01/06/2011 9:27:23 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: presidio9

I think Smith has smoked one too many burritos.


5 posted on 01/06/2011 9:27:41 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("The Dems have a 'war room' for everything but war..." - Dennis Miller)
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To: presidio9

Screw Mexico - we don’t owe them squat.


6 posted on 01/06/2011 9:27:41 PM PST by Bob
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To: presidio9
Rogers Smith is Christopher H. Browne Distinguished Professor of Political Science at the University of Pennsylvania.


7 posted on 01/06/2011 9:28:02 PM PST by iowamark
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To: presidio9

Warning: politically incorrect appellation ahead: RETARD


8 posted on 01/06/2011 9:29:15 PM PST by fhayek
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To: iowamark

No he’s a Class A douche.


9 posted on 01/06/2011 9:30:24 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: iowamark

Another moron brainwashing our kids. And we pay him for that!!!


10 posted on 01/06/2011 9:35:56 PM PST by aquila48
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To: presidio9

That’s a barf-up-your-large-intestine article.


11 posted on 01/06/2011 9:37:06 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: presidio9

To the article writer: I totally disagree. You can leave for Mexico and apy off what you think we owe them, though. Feel free. See what it’s like to be a foreigner living under THEIR immigration laws.


12 posted on 01/06/2011 9:38:22 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: iowamark

Smith doesn’t know as much about the historical situation in the American southwest as he should. He spews the Progressive version of history.

Basically, the Mexican government in the 1830s and 1840s didn’t care about the safety and welfare of its own colonists and ignored their pleas for protection from marauding Indians.

The Americans were flat-out better when it came to protecting colonists.

The Californios, Mexican colonists in California, weren’t effective businessmen. They took out loans from Yankees that they couldn’t pay back later. Most lost their property through poor business acumen, not by being swindled.

There are families in New Mexico who have owned their ranches since the 1500s. They are good citizens and I doubt any of them want the corrupt Mexican government back in New Mexico.


13 posted on 01/06/2011 9:38:37 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: presidio9

Another guilt-ridden, self-loathing white nitwit.


14 posted on 01/06/2011 9:39:04 PM PST by Will88
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To: SatinDoll

“Mexican colonists in California,”

There were no mexicans in California at that time, theywere all spanish!!

The spanish screwing indians created mexicans not only here but in mexico!

A mexican is a half breed that the ruling class in Mexico would love to eliminate!!!


15 posted on 01/06/2011 9:44:08 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dayglored

MAJOR barf alert!


16 posted on 01/06/2011 9:47:33 PM PST by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote! ~ DeMint, 2012)
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To: presidio9

Therefore he appears to be in favour of anchor babies & the imminent & growing problem of those illegals connected to that phenomenon.


17 posted on 01/06/2011 9:50:15 PM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: dalereed

I disagree with your statement.

I was born in Los Angeles and grew up in California. So did my parents. The California we knew is long gone.

But I’m very familiar with the history of California and after Mexico declared its independence from Spain, there were Mexicans in California.

I have many friends who are Mexican, they are proud of their Mexican citizenship, and many are not of Indian descent.


18 posted on 01/06/2011 9:50:31 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Will88

The article does accurately describe how the US did take Mexican land and mistreated Mexicans. Question I pose to the author, are common Mexican people ready to forget and forgive the US for its past actions??? I don’t think so. Just look at the speeches of Latino advocate groups. Look at what our own universities and public schools are teaching them about the US. Thus is it wise for the US to import a huge poor population who has a historical grudge against the US. I don’t think so.
The author needs to read up more history and get an accurate assessment of human nature/tendencies. Because you give generous welfare and economic opportunity to people you have mistreated in the past does not mean you will create loyal citizens. Telling them we are sorry will not either. The only way Mexicans are satisfied is the US is beaten in an humiliating war with Mexico, the territories are returned and all gringos are kicked out of it.


19 posted on 01/06/2011 9:51:29 PM PST by Fee
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To: SatinDoll

My family has been in Southern California for over 140 years and there is no such thing as a mexican that isn’t spanish and indian mix!!!

There was nothing but spanish in Californis until the late 1800s except those that were offspring of indians that were screwed by catholic priests!

That is the definition of a mexican, thay are halfbreeds and second class citizens in Mexico!


20 posted on 01/06/2011 9:55:11 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Fee
The only way Mexicans are satisfied is the US is beaten in an humiliating war with Mexico, the territories are returned and all gringos are kicked out of it.

Simple Demographics. The fabian use of demographics will grant Mexico its victory. Mexico will have parts of the US very soon.

21 posted on 01/06/2011 9:56:17 PM PST by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: dalereed

Please explain Mexican citizens whose ancestors game from Germany?


22 posted on 01/06/2011 9:58:17 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: presidio9

His points regarding US oppression of Mexicans are generally wrong, overblown, or at least highly disputable.


23 posted on 01/06/2011 9:58:34 PM PST by buwaya
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To: presidio9

Mexico has a synthetic pride unsupportable by any facts.

As I recall, being a Californian, Spain left 23 missions up and down the great state of California. That had zero to do with Mexicans or Mexican sovereignty.

Mexico needs to focus on developing a real history and a system that favors every Mexican through honest exchange.


24 posted on 01/06/2011 10:01:11 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: iowamark

Guy is a homo.


25 posted on 01/06/2011 10:01:58 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: Fee

Whatever did or didn’t happen, I don’t find any justification for literally hundreds of thousands of Mexicans to enter the US illegally each year. They’ve been compensated many times over for any past sins of the US when they come here and earn ten times what they could in the their own failed nation.

Were it not for US, Mexico and most of Central and South America would be little more prosperous and stable than sub-Saharan Africa. The US is the only thing that prevents Mexico from being one of the world’s poorest and most repressive nations.


26 posted on 01/06/2011 10:03:57 PM PST by Will88
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To: Republic of Texas

I think that’s just aprerequisite for the job


27 posted on 01/06/2011 10:04:50 PM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: presidio9

Wow, talk about white guilt. So, when is this guy going to donate his income to some Mexicans? Maybe he can also give away his house to some illegals.


28 posted on 01/06/2011 10:06:18 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (Fire all the damn rino!)
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To: SatinDoll

They aren’t mexicans, they are germans!

The spanish that rule Mexico don’t call them mexicans, they call them germans and let them have the same rights as the spanish, not the lower class mexican.

It’s so adhered to that if a spanish marries a mexican he is disowned by the family forever!!!


29 posted on 01/06/2011 10:07:57 PM PST by dalereed
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


30 posted on 01/06/2011 10:12:02 PM PST by HiJinx (Where did 2010 go?)
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To: presidio9
When the 14th was written, it addressed the recently freed blacks who were not able to enjoy the privileges (and immunities) of 'citizens', which should have been solved with emancipation.

A non-citizen coming to this country and having a child is essentially a mother giving birth to a non-citizen baby, nothing more.

Being here illegally, no matter how long, does not confer privileges such as a driver's license or social security number. If it did, why would a market for false IDs exist at all? The privilege of driving and working in the U.S. should only extend to citizens.(unless other arrangements have been made)

The billions in wages sent to Mexico each year may also indicate a condition of citizenship. The drain on local economies would seem to point to a loyalty directed somewhere else. The amount almost equals the oil-revenue from all of Mexico's output in any given year. Not trivial, yet very revealing.

31 posted on 01/06/2011 10:30:29 PM PST by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: Paladin2

Actually, technically that was Spain.


32 posted on 01/06/2011 10:31:30 PM PST by BenKenobi (Rush speaks! I hear, I obey)
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To: BenKenobi
"Actually, technically that was Spain."

Then the Spanish descendants in Mexico need to lead the global way and make amends.

33 posted on 01/06/2011 10:35:17 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: iowamark
Aha! I suspected an Ivy tower moron! Never had a real job, right?

As I understand it, the birthright amendment was written to make sure children of slaves were citizens.

I do not believe the founders of this nation ever meant to condone that which is happening today.

vaudine

34 posted on 01/06/2011 10:38:29 PM PST by vaudine
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To: presidio9

we owe them???

for breaking our laws???


35 posted on 01/06/2011 10:45:31 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: presidio9

What a pantload of Marxist racist BS.


36 posted on 01/06/2011 10:52:26 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: presidio9
It is symbolic politics expressing special hostility to Mexican immigrants, who comprise almost 60% of the nation's undocumented population.

Conservatives are not hostile to Mexicans...
just their babies.

This legislation could help the GOP garner the .5% that would have voted for Tancredo in 2010 if he hadn't dropped out from lack of funds.

It is sometimes a bad idea to alienate voters with unpassable legislation that energizes the opposition and is easily characterized as racist.

37 posted on 01/06/2011 11:06:26 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: Fee
Question I pose to the author, are common Mexican people ready to forget and forgive the US for its past actions??? I don’t think so. Just look at the speeches of Latino advocate groups.

Latino advocate groups do not reflect the opinions of common Mexican people anymore than Now represents the opinions of women, or the AFLCIO represents the opinion of workers. Odds are common Mexican people are just as politically apathetic and ignorant of history as common American people.

38 posted on 01/06/2011 11:12:22 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican for Palin)
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To: presidio9

Smith is a “useful p*ndejo”..


39 posted on 01/06/2011 11:13:54 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: presidio9
There is no such thing as "birthright" citizenship.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

-14th Amendment US Constitution
40 posted on 01/06/2011 11:21:13 PM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: presidio9

America used to have a newspaper with this same name.

I wonder what happened to it.


41 posted on 01/06/2011 11:50:00 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Damn it, Jim! I'm a doctor - not a Community Organizer!")
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To: presidio9

Yeah, like we could have never picked our own fruit and mowed our own grass.


42 posted on 01/07/2011 12:04:31 AM PST by Bullish
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To: presidio9
You cannot revoke something that did not exist to begin with. It has been a fraud conducted on the American citizens by government, and the communists at the chamber of commerce to destroy the damn country and install their socialist utopia.
43 posted on 01/07/2011 12:18:31 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: presidio9

Whew.
Speechless.


44 posted on 01/07/2011 12:41:37 AM PST by Lancey Howard (...er, postless.)
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To: Fee

False Premise. Mexican troops overran an American outpost and marched on the fort that was in Brownsville. This is 30 years after the border was settled with Santa Anna. The reparations for invading the US were severe but just.


45 posted on 01/07/2011 12:57:59 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: presidio9
...The U.S. owes more, not less, to Mexico and its immigrants than it does to other nations.

Why? Because the U.S. has treated Mexico in ways that it has treated no other nation, creating potent incentives for Mexicans to move north.

Bad policy demands more bad policy?

46 posted on 01/07/2011 1:00:33 AM PST by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: presidio9

this post needs a barf alert


47 posted on 01/07/2011 1:03:15 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: dayglored

You got THAT right!

X = 1000!


48 posted on 01/07/2011 1:05:15 AM PST by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: presidio9

Irrational drivel.

But there was ONE line I found interesting as it (possibly) confirms my own observations.

The one about Mexicans comprising 60% of the illegal’s in the U.S.
I want the other 40% deported too, no matter Where they are from or what “Colour” they might be.
No exceptions.

Pass AZ type immigration enforcement, and ask EVERYONE who has “contact” with the police about their immigration status.
Maybe that way we can detect and kick out more of that other 40%!

I will tolerate the umbrage of having MY own citizenship questioned if it leads to deportation of illegals from all countries and of any “race”.


49 posted on 01/07/2011 1:14:46 AM PST by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: presidio9

http://www.polisci.upenn.edu/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=73

Look who wrote this garbage. A professor sitting in his ivory tower. He doesn’t suffer at all from illegal immigration. Plus Mexico gets the lion’s share of our legal immigration slots

The pious hypocrites of the elites. Whatever would we do without them?


50 posted on 01/07/2011 1:24:57 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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