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Atmosphere's self-cleaning capacity stable: study (Whew!! We can breathe again.)
Yahoo ^ | 1/7/11 | AFP

Posted on 01/07/2011 10:37:57 AM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (AFP) – An international team of researchers has found that the atmosphere's ability to cleanse itself of pollutants and other greenhouse gases, except carbon dioxide, is generally stable.

The study, published in Friday's edition of the journal Science, comes amid a fierce debate over whether, as some experts believe, the atmosphere's self-cleaning ability was fragile and sensitive to environmental changes.

The research team, which was led by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), measured levels in the atmosphere of hydroxyl radicals, which play a key role in atmospheric chemistry.

Levels of the agent only fluctuated a few percentage points from one year to the next, not 25 percent as some studies had estimated, the researchers found.

"The new hydroxyl measurements give researchers a broad view of the 'oxidizing' or self-cleaning capacity of the atmosphere," said Stephen Montzka, the study's lead author, a research chemist at the Global Monitoring Division of NOAA's Boulder, Colorado laboratory.

"Now we know that the atmosphere's ability to rid itself of many pollutants is generally well buffered or stable... This fundamental property of the atmosphere was one we hadn't been able to confirm before."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: air; atmosphere; capacity; carbon; cleaning; climatechange; co2; earth; epa; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; healing; noaa; pollution; selfcleaning; stable

1 posted on 01/07/2011 10:37:59 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

add to the mix of news on the ‘green’ side of things


2 posted on 01/07/2011 10:39:16 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
they're still pushing their Anthropomorphic Global crap.....


3 posted on 01/07/2011 10:46:58 AM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


4 posted on 01/07/2011 10:49:34 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well.... duh

Like we didn’t already know that nature has its own way of achieving equilibrium.

Stupidity runs rampant in this administration.

Want to bring “excessive” CO2 levels down... simply plant more trees.


5 posted on 01/07/2011 10:53:47 AM PST by LastDayz (ObamaNation - An Outrage a Week)
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To: Army Air Corps; enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; TenthAmendmentChampion; Clive; ...
Thanx Army Air Corps !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

6 posted on 01/07/2011 10:54:01 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The new hydroxyl measurements give researchers a broad view of the 'oxidizing' or self-cleaning capacity of the atmosphere," ...


7 posted on 01/07/2011 11:00:20 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: NormsRevenge
Watts Up had something on this also...

One more thing that is “better than we thought” – NOAA: “the atmosphere’s self-cleaning capacity is rather stable”

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Posted on by Anthony Watts

Yesterday we learned that the great Pacific Garbage Patch really isn’t as big as hyped by media, today we learn that the “atmosphere’s ability to rid itself of many pollutants is generally well buffered or stable”. Huh. Imagine that, the planet isn’t broken as easily as some imagine.

From a NOAA press release:

NOAA-led Research Team Takes Measure of the Variability of the Atmosphere’s Self-Cleaning Capacity

8 posted on 01/07/2011 11:16:09 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; tubebender; Carry_Okie; Brad's Gramma; ...
Subtle....An international team of researchers has found that the atmosphere's ability to cleanse itself of pollutants and other greenhouse gases, except carbon dioxide, is generally stable.

And they are including Carbon Dioxide as a pollutant.....

I sense the Goal Post changing slightly!

Maybe the EPA wanted this....

9 posted on 01/07/2011 11:19:33 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NormsRevenge
Meanwhile I am pounding on this thread...and Hansen...he has got to go!

It's 'the hottest year on record', as long as you don't take its temperature (Hansen again )

10 posted on 01/07/2011 11:21:28 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: mvpel

They are still not listening to Piers Corbyn


11 posted on 01/07/2011 11:24:17 AM PST by Wooly
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

yes, they seem to be moving them around a bit....

why, pray tell, would all this pollution only affect CO2 levels in the atmosphere?


12 posted on 01/07/2011 11:35:55 AM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Nature is bigger than man-it will do what it will do.


13 posted on 01/07/2011 11:38:42 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

blame it on hydroxyl radicals

amazing we’ve survived this long.. 8-o

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The radical is central to the chemistry of the atmosphere. It is involved in the formation and breakdown of surface-level ozone, a lung- and crop-damaging pollutant. It also reacts with and destroys the powerful greenhouse gas methane and air pollutants including hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and sulfur dioxide. However, hydroxyl radicals do not remove carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide or chlorofluorocarbons.

I think I had a radical moment once. Who do I sue?


14 posted on 01/07/2011 11:39:02 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: GeronL; NormsRevenge

Well,...we can’t have anything destroy CO2 ...many research grants depend on that being out there and increasing...../s


15 posted on 01/07/2011 11:50:34 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NormsRevenge
WUWT has a followup article:

Climate Craziness of the week: a basic science question for NYT reporter Justin Gillis

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Posted on by Anthony Watts

Readers please note the story I ran earlier: NOAA: “the atmosphere’s self-cleaning capacity is rather stable”

This story talks about the ability of hydroxyl radicals in the free atmosphere to break down pollutants, and how there seems to be a stability in the levels globally, something understood for the first time. All good news.

Now read what this New York Times reporter, Assistant Business Editor Justin Gillis, bemoans in his story here:

A Steady Dose of Atmospheric Detergent

He writes:

Unfortunately, the most important greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide, is not one of those broken down by the hydroxyl radical.

Zounds!

Mr. Gillis, let’s say such a thing magically did occur naturally, or someone creates a synthetic catalyst that performs the job and releases enough of it into the atmosphere in some geoengineering scheme to start dissipating CO2 in the atmosphere.

  1. What would happen if we rid the Earth of CO2 ?
  2. Or more technically, what would happen if this process scavenged CO2 down to 150 parts per million (or lower) globally?

If you can answer these questions, you might then understand why I am giving your statement the high praise of this regular feature.

This WUWT post on CO2 has a clue for you. I offer it as a path to enlightenment.

While you are at it, you might also like to address this story you did on sea level rise:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/science/earth/14ice.html

16 posted on 01/07/2011 11:55:40 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The WUWT post on CO2:

B>The Logarithmic Effect of Carbon Dioxide

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I recast Willis’ first graph as a bar chart to make the concept easier to understand to the layman:

Lo and behold, the first 20 ppm accounts for over half of the heating effect to the pre-industrial level of 280 ppm, by which time carbon dioxide is tuckered out as a greenhouse gas. One thing to bear in mind is that the atmospheric concentration of CO2 got down to 180 ppm during the glacial periods of the ice age the Earth is currently in (the Holocene is an interglacial in the ice age that started three million years ago).

Plant growth shuts down at 150 ppm, so the Earth was within 30 ppm of disaster. Terrestrial life came close to being wiped out by a lack of CO2 in the atmosphere. If plants were doing climate science instead of us humans, they would have a different opinion about what is a dangerous carbon dioxide level.

17 posted on 01/07/2011 11:59:22 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All; NormsRevenge

Gotta be some good stuff in the comments to the article linked at post #17.

436 Responses to The Logarithmic Effect of Carbon Dioxide


18 posted on 01/07/2011 12:08:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NormsRevenge; Ernest_at_the_Beach

These idiots still haven’t figure out that plants take care of the CO2, not the atmosphere?

Don’t you learn that in elementary school?


19 posted on 01/07/2011 12:17:03 PM PST by SouthTexas (Is it time for tea yet?)
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To: All
Link to Hour plus Video with Monckton and others:

Brook + Readfearn / Monckton + Plimer

Climate Sensitivity -- Brisbane Institute --

20 posted on 01/07/2011 12:17:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They have been classifying CO2 as a pollutant in their Goebbels propaganda for years.


21 posted on 01/07/2011 1:08:29 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Have you seen the video at post #20...has to be a classic....

It is Lengthy but Plimer and Monckton mop the floor with Prof Brooks and the impish attack journalist ...Readfern....

22 posted on 01/07/2011 1:34:37 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: SouthTexas

Don’t know whether such a dangerous fact would be allowed into the classroom these days!


23 posted on 01/07/2011 1:36:54 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: LastDayz
Want to bring “excessive” CO2 levels down... simply plant more trees.

Uncontrolled coal seam fires in China cause more CO2 to be produced than all the cars and light trucks in the USA combined. Lets start there.

24 posted on 01/07/2011 2:57:44 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Party is shovel ready)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

That’s why half my grandkids are home schooled now.


25 posted on 01/07/2011 3:09:14 PM PST by SouthTexas (Is it time for tea yet?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Watched it in it’s entirety. Brooks and the kid where outclassed and out gunned.


26 posted on 01/07/2011 4:14:04 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Marine_Uncle
I thought it was beautiful....

I am now a Fan of Pilmer as well as Monckton.

27 posted on 01/07/2011 6:20:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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