Skip to comments.John P. Wheeler: Eliminating the red herrings
Posted on 01/07/2011 10:43:01 AM PST by smoothsailingEdited on 01/08/2011 2:39:11 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
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Pretty good piece, a lot of info with the links.
I didn’t realize law enforcement knew the cause of death.
bump for later. Thanks
I don't think LE has stated publicly that they know the cause of death, but they must by now. Wheeler's body was found Dec. 31st and the FBI has been on the case since.
I'm telling you...the guy had a bullet in his head.
Why the dumpster?? Because someone saw the perp with Wheeler and it has yet to dawn on whomever saw them together because they kept saying he was wearing a suit and loafers.
Kinda like the white van in the DC Sniper case.
LE also messed up on the car. Do we have another Moose on our hands??
Newark police said Monday that they did determine a cause of death in the case but were not going to release it. Delaware officials said Tuesday they were waiting for toxicology reports to officially determine the cause of death, though they had already ruled it a homicide.
In Memory of John P. Wheeler III
John Wheeler will be remembered as a man of honor and commitment. Among his numerous achievements, the Vietnam Veterans Memorial for which he fought stands out.
A Personal Tribute
Remembering Jack: Warrior and Man Without Peer
By Robbin Laird
It is my sad duty to our readers to announce that one of the founding members of Second Line of Defense has been tragically removed from our family. When I was preparing to return from Europe, I was sent late in the day an email from a close friend indicating that Jack had been murdered late last week. To say the least, I was stunned. My first thoughts were of his family and the heavy burden they must pay. The second was for the legion of friends and colleagues of such a talented and powerful man. In a world littered with needless tragedies and sufferings, why did we need yet another one?
Over the next few hours, hundreds of emails networked across my desktop, as Jack would expect, as a cyber person. Indeed, one did not start a day without an email from Jack on one of his core passions and interests. It is only fitting that my nickname for Jack was the bulldog. Any of his friends will know that the name fits. Jack was, and the verb is sticking in my throat, a passionate man of high intelligence. When Jack focused on an issue, he was like a laser beam and bulldozer all in one. And his efforts were often rewarded with the creation of something the public could see, starting with the Vietnam Memorial.
He was dogged in pursuit of truth and justice for those core values, which he held dearly. Everything he did was for the warfighter and their families. Whether the defense of West Point, the exposure of universities whose moral duplicity with regard to the denigration of ROTC on their campuses, or the short-sided decision to terminate the F-22, Jack had his issues and he pursued them.
Jack was a rarity in this world: a man of passion, intelligence, caring and consideration for others. My 14-year-old daughter Chloe, recalled Jack as the kind man who always gave us those great chocolates for Christmas. And then she cried. This is something I am finding it difficult to do. Not because I do not love Jack, but I cannot bring myself to put him into the realm of remembering a great man. That is why I am writing this note. To confront the reality of a loss so great is simply beyond me at the moment.
I am including a personal picture of Jack in this column taken during a visit to Normandy. The 21st Secretary of the US Air Force and his team had finished a visit to Paris to make a speech and to conduct meetings. Jack flew over on the Secretarys plane and was sick much of the trip. Typical of Jack, he was more concerned that he might make people sick, than with himself.
A friend of mine and a colleague who are specialists on the Normandy invasion conducted the visit to Normandy. The enormity of the Normandy experience is a humbling one. I remember watching Jack with a tear in his eye as he looked at the military cemeteries and at Utah peace. In many ways, that moment is how I will always remember Jack, himself always remembering the contribution of Americans to the fight for freedom and justice. And he was a man who believed in freedom and justice in a world which too often is simply too cynical. Values matter; caring matters; and Jack always reminded us of that.
I raise my sword in honor of you Jack. I just cannot believe that I wont get an email from you commenting on my column.
The toxicology tests are to see if someone slipped him a mickey or he had some meds in his body.
Now, about the car confusion....The entire relay of info was disorderly. He is only seen without his shoe in one clip for a few minutes and in that one garage.
They should release EVERYTHING he was wearing when theyfound his body. Also, what is nearest to him in the dumpster should point to which dumpster he was in. Dumpsters pickup trucks aren't like blenders...more like making dough by hand.
Namours is the name of a medical establishment in Wilmington. It was pretty hard finding anything that I can pass on with certainty.
They say Namours Office Building...but I imagine there is a complex...Baby clinic, cardiac clinic...each were mentioned.
They should release more information.
Reminder to self....They interviewed a cabbie...who IIRC, said he saw John more than once in different places. But haven't heard anything about the cabbie since.
Da Cabbie Doan No Nuttin
Pinging. This case still brewing!!!
Once part of the DuPont Headquarters complex, the Nemours Building is connected with the DuPont Building by a tunnel under the street and by an upper-level bridge.
The DuPont Building covers an entire block and is designed in a modified Italian Renaissance style. Built in phases, the yellow-brick section at Tenth and Market Streets was completed in 1907.
The building also contains the Hotel DuPont, which opened in 1913 along with the Playhouse, one of Wilmington’s most important performance venues at the time.
Part of the DuPont Headquarters complex, the DuPont Building is connected with the Nemours Building by a tunnel under the street and by an upper-level bridge.
Authorities have also taken Athel Scott, a cab driver, in for questioning after finding his phone number on Wheeler’s cell phone.
Scott says he doesn’t know how his number got on Wheeler’s phone, but he says he does remember seeing him.
“I seen him one day by the Hotel du Pont and one day I seen him at the train station going inside that little store, that’s all I know,” Scott said.
Police are still trying to find out how Wheeler got around after returning to Wilmington on December 28th from Washington, D.C.
He somehow made it to New Castle and back again to Wilmington, while his car sat parked in the garage across the street from the train station.
John P. Wheeler: Eliminating the red herrings
Article, and # 7.
Thanks, danamco. [Now, I'm really leaving.]
Thought you would find this thread a worthwhile read.
Many Vietnam vets will want this investigated, solved, and the murder(s) sent to prison. No one wants a cover up like perhaps Vince Foster’s suspicious high-profile death.
I wonder if he ever found his car, and if he did, was he is any condition to drive it. I'm thinking, if his eyes were so bloodshot or if he had some head trauma, maybe he couldn't focus enough to drive, at night.
I know when I have a headache, the last thing I want to do is drive. Once I was a passenger at night and the oncoming headlights hurt my eyes so much, I had to close my eyes.
On another thread I told of my father-in-law’s recent episode of sudden onset confusion with partial memory loss which was short in duration and corrected itself after receiving IV fluids.
Concentrating on Wheeler's affect could very well be another red herring. Of course this leads to the question why are so many red herrings being offered up in this one case?
This is a strange one. It is almost as if someone is going out if the way to make it look related to anything but his professional relationships.
It’s just a guess on my part, but I doubt he had his car keys.
It keeps on going back to his house and the neighbor's house. The "smoke bombs", cell phone, boot prints, pried up floor boards, loud TV, etc. Strange indeed.
Lt Gen Mackinary (sp?) on Michael Savage in about 15 mins.
...or the fairy tale told by ALL of why Sandy Berger all of a sudden took a liking to paper in his groin......we never did find out what papers and why
Vince Foster was HOMICIDE victim, beyond reasonable doubt. No need for the qualifier "perhaps" with respect to the Foster cover up, since there is no way the evidence fits the official "suicide" verdict.
As to the Wheeler case, today on another FR thread, a retired Philadelphia detective turned PI states that it might not be a homicide. Could he be running interference - inadvertently - for the killers?
Coming up momentarily on Savage - USAF General & Friend of Wheeler’s
You are right
What does that mean?
correcting my typo. It was Lt Gen McInerney
Maybe you or anyone who listens to the interview on Savage could post some salient points? I’d really like to hear what he says but radio reception where I live is very bad.
I read an article today that suggested that he crawled into the dumpster to look for shelter like homeless people do. It also stated ‘he suggested he was mugged’.
Only makes me more suspicious that this is being swept under the rug. The man was obviously attacked as he said he was and I personally do not believe he voluntarily crawled into a dumpster, for crying out loud.
Too many unknowns for the moment. I think everyone is spoiled by the CSI way of solving crimes.
I don’t believe “he crawled into the dumpster to look for shelter” either. It makes no sense at all.
He’s seen on video and by witnesses in Wilmington numerous times on Dec. 29th and 30th. Why would he go 13 miles to Newark just to crawl into a dumpster on Dec. 31st?
There must have been plenty of dumpsters in Wilmington he could have crawled into.
You are exactly right.
Police have said it is a homicide, so you can definitely throw the suicide option off the table. John P. "Jack" Wheeler was a victim of foul play on 12/30th or early 12/31st.
Given the body was battered during the disposal process, perhaps even a compactor, etc., we can speculate he suffered a bullet wound, was knifed or was administered a mind-altering toxic substance that the ME quickly identified.
The author, Radell Smith, seems on top of the facts but her arguing that red herrings are a distraction is a disservice.
One often does not know what is a red herring until they have constructed a well supported theory. Even then it can be dangerous to ignore anything one knows about a matter. For instance, a single seemingly unrelated document out of 50 banker boxes can be a smoking gun.
Savage comes on my local news station at 9 est, in 45 minutes and they do stream live! 8^)
If anyone wants to hear the Savage interview with the Col re Wheeler’s death it will stream live at wokv.com at 9 est.
Now I hate to admit it...But when someone grabbed my 75 YEAR OLD mom's purse, she went after him...It was an hour before she reported it to the police. (She was lucky).
I think Wheeler was doing the same thing. He didn't want the police because he knew he could find the perp faster...and that LE "stinks" when it comes to robberies like this.
I'll bet he was carrying....
He knows people in these areas...
I am a techtard. You mean I could listen online? Would I have to listen at that time?
Techtard? LOL I never heard that one. Yes go to the website now and click the listen live button at the top left. It will play a 30 sec ad before going to the program. It started and is in 1st commercial break right now.
Does he have any connection, business in Newark?
I don't think he climbed into the dumpster, but, we must consider that he was a military man. Although he was no spring chicken, I'm sure that his basic training could have kicked in, adrenal and all, if it was the only place to hide. I think that he could have climbed in, but don't think he did.
Thanks for the pings to this thread.
It is obvious there already is misdirection—purposeful misdirection—on this case already.
I’m glad the author is stating that the red herrings exist and have to be discounted.
And someday, the truth about Vince Foster’s MURDER, not SUICIDE, will come out, and there are a lot of people now in DC who will be behind bars.
The DC establishment is one huge criminal enterprise and it is time to flush the corruption.
The names on the Wall that Mr. Wheeler fought to memorialize deserve nothing less than that we clean house once and for all.
The Lt Gen was asked this.
It's also interesting who he thinks is responsible.
Would you consider running a ping list for the John Wheeler murder? I’m trying to follow what gets posted on FR, but I’m sure to be missing some threads. This is a very bizarre case, and nothing I’ve seen theorized makes all that much sense, so far. Anyway, if you would run a ping list, I’d sure like to be on it. If you’d rather not, no worries.
Anyone else remember this one??
Many of them would also be found under KEYWORD search for 'wheeler.'
His car was found on a bridge in Tennessee where he was visiting his father. His first name was Don, I don’t think his name was Don WILEY, but it’s something very close to that. He was a microbiologist from Harvard. His body was retrieved from the Mississippi River many months later, and the authorities claimed that the wind had blown him off the bridge.
Weird because I was thinking about the missing overcoat and ripped shoe. Maybe he fell and got stuck in some very tight area. That might explain the dirty clothes. The shoe might have gotten ripped when he tried to pull it out of the tight spot. A mugger may have his overcoat. I somehow do not see him removing his shoe to beat a mugger. Too much time wasted in disrobing.
And got a "murder they wrote" article...
This was all about anthrax...
A missing overcoat is also an assumption. Maybe he left it on the amtrack or maybe he took a cab and left it in the cab. Some people just go from door to door...and an overcoat is too much.