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John P. Wheeler: Eliminating the red herrings
Examiner ^ | 1-7-2010 | Radell Smith

Posted on 01/07/2011 10:43:01 AM PST by smoothsailing

Edited on 01/08/2011 2:39:11 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: hennie pennie

Thanks! I think some might have initially gotten posted without keywords. I’m on FR frequently during most days, do pings work real well for me. I’ve always enjoyed ping lists bringing together groups of individuals interested in the same topic, and this sure is a fascinating one.


51 posted on 01/07/2011 7:07:14 PM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: smoothsailing

Didn’t Mr Wheeler have the cabbies phone # listed in his cell phone? I think i read that somewhere yesterday,


52 posted on 01/07/2011 7:16:50 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: WestCoastGal
Didn’t Mr Wheeler have the cabbies phone # listed in his cell phone?

Yep!

THE CABBIE:

Authorities have also taken Athel Scott, a cab driver, in for questioning after finding his phone number on Wheeler’s cell phone.

Scott says he doesn’t know how his number got on Wheeler’s phone, but he says he does remember seeing him.

“I seen him one day by the Hotel du Pont and one day I seen him at the train station going inside that little store, that’s all I know,” Scott said.

Police are still trying to find out how Wheeler got around after returning to Wilmington on December 28th from Washington, D.C.

He somehow made it to New Castle and back again to Wilmington, while his car sat parked in the garage across the street from the train station.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=7885218

53 posted on 01/07/2011 7:26:22 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: lonevoice; hennie pennie
Would you consider running a ping list for the John Wheeler murder?

I appreciate your asking. I wouldn't mind but my login time on FR is unpredictable, so I probably couldn't do a ping list justice.

Hennie Pennie's advice about the Wheeler keyword search is the best bet for all of us for now.

54 posted on 01/07/2011 7:32:26 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: 1_Rain_Drop; Sacajaweau
The Lt Gen was asked this.It's also interesting who he thinks is responsible.

LtGen McInerney? I watched him yesterday when he told Megyn Kelley that he thought it was a professional hit. Did he go any further than that with Savage?

55 posted on 01/07/2011 7:42:26 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
We have to go back....

I read that he did attend a meeting for Mitre (??) on the 28th. I can't imagine him leaving without talking personally to the bunch. I can also hear..."Where are you heading John?...I'm staying at the DuPont......etc etc

Need to know more about the 28th and what his plans WERE...This guy was not a fly by nighter. Someone was expecting him at particular times.

(Why do I say that...because he called 2 people and said he was stuck in NY.

Need to know why he didn't call his wife if he was hurt.

What shoes was he wearing with the sweatshirt?

This LE dept might top Moose....

56 posted on 01/07/2011 7:55:24 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: tutstar

Thank you.

If I have time I”ll listen. I hope someone will post salient points though. For some reason lately I’m insanely busy (and as usual, insanely disorganized...)


57 posted on 01/07/2011 8:06:44 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: smoothsailing

marking for later reading


58 posted on 01/07/2011 8:07:01 PM PST by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Could you post what the Gen’s thoughts were?


59 posted on 01/07/2011 8:12:17 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Haven't heard one word about WHY he was going to Wilmington in the first place and who he was going to meet. His meet at Mitre was on the 28th in McClean as far as I can surmise.

Very strange....

60 posted on 01/07/2011 8:32:54 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for the ping!


61 posted on 01/07/2011 8:35:01 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Sacajaweau
Most recently, Wheeler had been working under contract for the Mitre Corp., based in McLean(Va.) and New Bedford, Mass. The company does computer-related research and development for several government agencies, including the Defense and Homeland Security departments....

Mitre spokeswoman Jennifer Shearman declined to say whether Wheeler was working at the company's McLean headquarters last week. But police said he was scheduled to take an Amtrak train from Washington to Wilmington on Tuesday, Dec. 28...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/paul-duggan/-john-p-wheeler-iii.html?hpid=newswell

BUT...

Phoebe Dill, a friend and neighbor of Wheeler and his wife, Katherine Klyce, in New Castle, Del., told The Philadelphia Inquirer she last saw Wheeler on Christmas Eve when Dill's husband, Robert, drove him to the train station.

"He was going to New York with his wife's Christmas present," she said. Wheeler and Klyce have a condominium in Manhattan.

Dill said she assumed Wheeler then took a train directly to Washington, near his consulting job at Mitre Corp., a defense contractor in McLean, Va.

After working at Mitre on Dec. 28, Wheeler is believed to have taken a train from Washington to Wilmington.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2013856103_wheeler06.html?syndication=rss

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Same writer,same day, same source newspaper, two different stories.

62 posted on 01/07/2011 9:02:54 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: lonevoice
I didn't realize that journalist James Fallows was a person friend of John P. Wheeler:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22james+fallows%22+john+wheeler

It will be interesting if, in the coming months, Fallows writes a long piece on him.

63 posted on 01/07/2011 9:45:19 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: smoothsailing; WestCoastGal

Has there been mentioned any connection between Lt.col. Lakin and Wheeler???


64 posted on 01/07/2011 9:58:17 PM PST by danamco (')
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On Friday, Newark Police reported new surveillance video captures another 15 minutes of Wheeler’s final hours, showing him exiting through doors on the 11th Street side of the Nemours building on Dec. 30. Wheeler then begins to walk southeast on 11th Street, past and through the Hotel DuPont valet parking area. He continues southeast and crosses Market Street and is last seen in camera view at 8:42 p.m. walking on the west sidewalk of 11th Street, toward the city’s East Side.

Wheeler is wearing dark colored pants and a dark blue hooded sweatshirt with the hood worn over his head.

His body was found about 13 hours later at the landfill.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-01-08-wheeler-investigation_N.htm


65 posted on 01/07/2011 10:32:46 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: WestCoastGal; smoothsailing
Didn’t Mr Wheeler have the cabbies phone # listed in his cell phone? I think i read that somewhere yesterday,

Is this the same cell phone they found in the neighbor's house?

66 posted on 01/08/2011 3:49:27 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: smoothsailing

Back to the cabbie - how in the world does he remember Wheeler whom he says he doesn’t know, in two different places, on different days? That is odd to me.


67 posted on 01/08/2011 6:28:56 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: WestCoastGal
I agree with you absolutely...Wonder if the phone number is right on the outside of the cab and John had just enough time to plug in into his cellphone.

John was not a dumb guy...he could smell trouble...and it just might be that the cab circled a couple of times...alerting John.

Someone said that his last walk was in a tough neighborhood.

My big question...Why was he in Wilmington in the first place?? He was only 20 minutes from home. Did he make it home??

Find the loafer.....

68 posted on 01/08/2011 7:20:22 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: All
No recognition of this giant out of the white house. Nothing from the family. Cr** from LE.

Can you say Moose...

69 posted on 01/08/2011 8:27:00 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: smoothsailing; All

Who’s this guy protecting? Darn!

On Friday of this week, Wilmington City Councilman Kevin Kelley, charged with running the city efficiently and ensuring all victims get justice, alluded that the Wilmington PD might be going overboard in their manpower allocation for the search for John Wheeler’s killer.

“I don’t want any more resources dedicated to this than we do any other homicide,” he instructed on Friday.

http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/john-p-wheeler-case-wilmington-pd-goes-toe-to-toe-with-city-council


70 posted on 01/08/2011 10:24:23 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: WestCoastGal

CABBIE: I DOAN NO NUTTIN’!!!

Yeah right, that cabbie is scared of something.


71 posted on 01/08/2011 1:35:06 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: hoosiermama; WestCoastGal

Definitely the same phone, here’s the latest story about it....

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/delaware.pentagon.official.death/index.html


72 posted on 01/08/2011 4:03:34 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: All
Here are some thoughts:

On December 27th, John talked to his attorney and thanked him for sticking it out regarding the house in New Castle Deleware.

What I found out that alters our impression of events.

JOHN INHERITED THAT HOUSE FROM HIS BROTHER!!

Someone said the brother died about 3 years ago. And his mother died also...and I'm getting the impression...about the same time.

I'm betting that the attorney took care of his brother's estate and maybe his mother's, too.

So, when John is talking about that house, it's simply impossible for him to NOT think of his brother...and probably his mother.

His anger might be that he can remember him and his bro and mom sitting on the porch with a view of the river...something which is now impossible because of that new house.

John was in deep pain to mention both of them. He just blurted something out that only he would understand.

Guess what....we've all done that.

73 posted on 01/08/2011 5:02:45 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
What I found out that alters our impression of events. JOHN INHERITED THAT HOUSE FROM HIS BROTHER!!

Where did you find that out? It's the first I've heard of the house being inherited.

74 posted on 01/08/2011 6:25:47 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Sacajaweau
Got it!

"Wheeler, who often commuted between Washington, New York, and Wilmington, owned a waterfront duplex that he inherited from his brother in the historic area known as Old New Castle, located about half a mile away."

http://www.newsweek.com/content/newsweek/2011/01/06/bush-official-john-p-wheeler-murder-case-deepens.html

Interesting insight,S! Wheeler may have become obsessed with the ongoing feud with Marini.

75 posted on 01/08/2011 6:45:48 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
There is "family" missing from his bios...his brother's name, his mother's first name...other siblings....It was driving me crazy.

I'm sure John, his bro and his mom traveled from New Castle to Wilmington many, many times on legal matters.

Besides, my bro died 46 years ago....many things tick off thoughts of my bro and my mom and my dad...

76 posted on 01/08/2011 7:13:33 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: smoothsailing
Obsessed?? Not really...Many cases on "view" on the books. Frankly, I think John should have won the lawsuit, hands down.

His attorney said something that we'll never know...

77 posted on 01/08/2011 7:18:42 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: smoothsailing

Interesting....So did he return home before his death? Wonder what type of things he kept in his brief case? Credit cards? ID? have they found them?


78 posted on 01/09/2011 3:15:14 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: hoosiermama
When my car was stolen, they sprang my briefcase...but because it was all documents, they never even disrupted their order. They just closed the briefcase and left it right in the car.

We need to track a couple of things...where he was JUST BEFORE he was seen on the video...Which door did he come in?? etc..

I think there are two crimes here...The initial mugging and the eventual killing and dumping. It took more than one guy to put him in the dumpster.

My best guess is that John knew he could find these dudes and that he was carrying....and wearing a hoodie...cool disquise for a 66 year old businessman.

79 posted on 01/09/2011 6:52:55 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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Something weird here. Read that they found the smoke bombs in the monster house across the street on December 28th at 11 PM. And...at the same time...they found John's cell phone??? And they were going to talk to John.

But John didn't get robbed until the 29th per the video.

Why were the cops at the new house in the first place? Did someone report smoke?? If so....fire engines would have been called immediately. That didn't happen.

Something is VERY wrong here.

Why are we getting so much bad information.

I'm now thinking that John either knew his perp(s)...and was going to hunt them down or was going hunting for his briefcase.

80 posted on 01/09/2011 7:27:06 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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It looks like Wheeler initially got mugged on December 29th between the time he left Happy Harry's 6.00 PM in New Castle and when he was seen in the video at 6:40 PM.

Either he took a cab, hitched a ride, rented a car or hopped a train. It's only 20 minutes on the road. Someone must have seen something if they took route 9. He must have been dumped off very close to that parking lot and the mugging likely occurred in that neighborhood. I think Scott the cabbie saw something.

81 posted on 01/09/2011 7:58:14 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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The Pharmacist said John looked different and upset...But John hadn't been mugged yet....

In the next 40 minutes, John would go from New Castle to Wilmington and get mugged in between.

Why go "back" up to Wilmington?? New Castle was his home.

Had the police told him about the smoke bombs?? And accused him?? They never SAID they talked to him. Wow....something is sooooo wrong here.

82 posted on 01/09/2011 8:15:05 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
Obsessed?? Not really...

"Wheeler's efforts escalated to crusade-like proportions"

For John Wheeler, house became an obsession

....................................

Alot of new details here about the Wheeler-Marini kerfuffle.

83 posted on 01/09/2011 10:12:33 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: hoosiermama
Wonder what type of things he kept in his brief case?

I think this is all we know for sure about the contents of the briefcase...

"...[Wheeler] told the parking garage attendant, Iman Goldsborough, that his briefcase containing his parking ticket had been stolen and he could not find his car."

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/06/police-trying-to-unravel-timeline-of-john-wheeler-homicide/

84 posted on 01/09/2011 10:42:07 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Sacajaweau
Agree about the two crimes...He may have found the muggers and they killed him and disposed of his body.
If he was killed on the streets and they were street thugs they would have left his body where he died.

Reasons for putting body in dumpster could mean:

Someone he knew whose presence of body would point finger at them.

85 posted on 01/09/2011 10:47:37 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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“Mayor Klingmeyer clarified for the record that he has no relationship with Ms. Marini.”

http://www.newcastlecity.org/city_gov/meeting_info/BOA_MINUTES_0108-1.html

“Mr. Bayard Marin is representing the applicants. He stated that a letter was sent requesting the recusal of the Mayor and City Solicitor.”

http://www.newcastlecity.org/city_gov/meeting_info/mm_adjustment/BOA_mm_2009_05.html


86 posted on 01/09/2011 12:01:48 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Historic Preservation Districts amount to infringing on the "equal rights" of owners in the area.

If you want Preservation status for your home, fine....but declaring that status for all the buildings in the area is a denial of equal rights.

It's all about money and power.

87 posted on 01/09/2011 1:26:49 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: smoothsailing

Good old normal dirty town politics. Our Town is pretty bad now.


88 posted on 01/09/2011 1:33:56 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: smoothsailing

Good old normal dirty town politics. Our Town is pretty bad now.


89 posted on 01/09/2011 1:34:31 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: smoothsailing

Good old normal dirty town politics. Our Town is pretty bad now.


90 posted on 01/09/2011 1:34:37 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: hoosiermama
Reasons for putting body in dumpster could mean: Someone he knew whose presence of body would point finger at them.

Thanks for sending me the info on the dumpster locations. :)

It got me thinking about something I read a couple days ago....

"Murder crimes perpetrated by family, friends, business associates--or someone else who knew the victim in some way--tend to prompt an attempt to hide the body or destroy it."

John P. Wheeler: Why the dumpster burial site was likely chosen

I completely rule out that Wheeler "crawled into a dumpster", and I doubt muggers would have tossed him in one. I think whoever did this knew who he was.

91 posted on 01/09/2011 3:11:24 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

I agree - he didn’t go in there by himself - just catching up, I guess there’s nothing new?


92 posted on 01/09/2011 5:50:30 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: smoothsailing; Fishtalk

Just switched over to FOX again and got in on the end of Geraldo...Crawler said that the FBI has been called in to the case...Did we already know that?


93 posted on 01/09/2011 7:47:50 PM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: WestCoastGal

Check out 93.


94 posted on 01/09/2011 7:48:50 PM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: smoothsailing
Police Silent

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20110115/NEWS01/101150336/Delaware-police-mum-about-cause-of-former-Pentagon-official-John-Wheeler-s-death

95 posted on 01/16/2011 9:12:42 AM PST by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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