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Sex, And The Downfall Of American Society
The Patriot Statesman ^ | 1-8-2011 | Bill Kneer

Posted on 01/08/2011 8:23:27 PM PST by BillKneer

As a nation we have been going down the drain quickly. Over the last several years we have been bombarded everywhere we look with all kinds of evil. The Libertarians say “close your eyes if you don’t like it after all it’s my choice to see and do as I please”. Over the last few years on my Facebook page I have been arguing with them over the fact they want to make drugs & prostitution legal.

Our nation slips ever so slowly into more and more filth and no one seems to see it or care. Now the courts have ruled that nudity on TV is ok.

Bottoms Up Court Ruling Opens Doors For More Nudity on Local TV

(Excerpt) Read more at patriotstatesman.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: americanculture; culturaldecay; downfall; fornication; homosexualagenda; liberalism; nudity; paganism; pornography; sex; sexualsin; smut
In American society today all things evil are acceptable and all things Godly are not. Do you have a problem with that? What are you going to do about it?
1 posted on 01/08/2011 8:23:30 PM PST by BillKneer
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To: BillKneer

Not the NYPD Blue butt-shot AGAIN?!?


2 posted on 01/08/2011 8:25:39 PM PST by sinanju
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To: BillKneer
I was brought up to respect women. Then the Internet porn hit. It's everywhere. Kind of had to have that respect when they are falling all over themselves to get naked to do real sick sh*t and show the world. Yeah the men are equally scumbags. I don't know how they live with themselves. But our society encourages it now.
3 posted on 01/08/2011 8:36:17 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: BillKneer

I’m sure the 8 Billion dollar a year Porno industry is happy. We’ve become the Sodom and Gomorrah of or time. THANK YOU 1968.


4 posted on 01/08/2011 8:36:54 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: BillKneer

Yes, it’s sick how we’ve become. Craven and decrepit.


5 posted on 01/08/2011 8:41:45 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Cisco Nix

So Nix, since you say it is “Kind of had to have that respect” ( I think you mean hard to respect women ), does that mean under the same token that all men are “scumbags”?

I apologize if I misinterpreted your post. In my defense, it was a bit confusing.


6 posted on 01/08/2011 8:41:53 PM PST by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Cisco Nix

Anti-porn writer Gail Dines claims that the average age boys start looking at porn is 11 years old. I shudder to think what sort of mental baggage these young men will be carrying into their marriages.


7 posted on 01/08/2011 8:52:40 PM PST by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: proudtobeanamerican1

No man, I was just making a point. It would seem however that you are just looking for a reason to get your undies in a bunch. Take it easy. I’m not saying all women would do that or even most; and yes, I still have respect for women.


8 posted on 01/08/2011 8:53:38 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: BillKneer

I don’t know. You posted like 5 sentences then stopped. Next time post your thesis and maybe we will comment.

Oh and welcome to FR.


9 posted on 01/08/2011 8:56:42 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: BillKneer

I believe that most TV’s today are equipted with a special device that permits the user to change the channel or even turn the TV off.


10 posted on 01/08/2011 8:56:55 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

Exactly, it’s killing our society. These young people think it’s how they are suppose to act. Of course this is just my opinion.


11 posted on 01/08/2011 8:57:37 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Real Conservatives stay sober and focused)
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To: trumandogz

Too bad we don’t have those for the internet! ;)


12 posted on 01/08/2011 9:04:03 PM PST by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
I’m sure the 8 Billion dollar a year Porno industry is happy. We’ve become the Sodom and Gomorrah of or time. THANK YOU 1968.

Actually, many major porn studios are having financial problems now due to the proliferation of amateur porn that is available for free. In a very odd way, it is analogous to the devouring of the Whore of Babylon.

Evil will always destroy itself.

13 posted on 01/08/2011 9:05:42 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: trumandogz

Hopefully Obama’s internet ID will have a switch that only allows us to view certain sites and for certain amounts of time. That will solve this problem.

s:/


14 posted on 01/08/2011 9:06:45 PM PST by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: BillKneer

There was a FReeper the other day who was trying to explain to me that 12 year olds and up should be legal.


15 posted on 01/08/2011 9:11:02 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: BillKneer

Yeah, as much as fiscal conservatism is back in popularity — Tea Party, last election, etc. — social conservatism is no where near to be seen. Society slants more and more to the left with a new vulgarity in language that flatters to be socially liberating, porno on pay TV that was once relegated to back alleys, etc. Ed Sullivan 50 years ago warned the Rolling Stones not to say “Lets spend the night together” because of the implication of premarital sex and today, instead of Ed Sullivan’s Topo Gigio puppetry, we see Team America puppetry perform the most vulgar and perverted forms of sex imaginable in your local theaters. The pendulum is still swinging to the left, where God is dead and all is permitted.

This is the tip of the iceberg because with UN backing on pushing sex ed for children at an earlier date — e.g., masturbation was recommended to be taught to 5 year olds — we are going to see the social face of the country change. Gay marriage is just the wedge that will open the door to every perversity imaginable as a choice and “lifestyle” — paganism is back with a flourish.


16 posted on 01/08/2011 9:11:25 PM PST by Blind Eye Jones
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To: BillKneer

Your vanity FAILS at the most basic level. Simple nudity does not equal sex. Simple nudity is only a state of attire, nothing more. All through history people skinny-dipped and it did not destroy civilization.

I will agree that on occasion nudity can lead to sex. But, then again, so can Dinner and Drinks.


17 posted on 01/08/2011 9:14:26 PM PST by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: BillKneer

Adversity employs great talents; prosperity renders them useless and carries the inept, the corrupted wealthy and the wicked to the top

May they bear in mind that virtue often contains the seeds of tyranny

May they bear in mind that it is neither gold nor even a multitude of arms that sustains a state but its morals

May each of them keep in his house, in a corner of this field, next to his workbench, next to his plow, his gun, his sword, and his bayonet

May they all be soldiers

May they bear in mind that in circumstances where deliberation is possible, the advice of old men is good but that in moments of crisis youth is generally better informed that its elders

Denis Diderot

Apostrophe to the Insurgents, 1782

18 posted on 01/08/2011 9:17:48 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: BillKneer

It is getting grotesquely surreal. You can (like I did) find yourself in a fast-food joint, and in the nearest booth overhear a trio of 15-year-old girls saying words and covering topics that a half-century ago would shock the daylights out of the most jaded denizens of a whorehouse.

Seems both twisted and depressing, the times we live in. Becoming difficult to have any respect for anybody or anything, as culture continues to devolve to animalism.


19 posted on 01/08/2011 9:31:36 PM PST by greene66
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To: trumandogz

That’s NOT really the point. The point is that it’s even there to such a degree in the first place. I’m so sick of the self righteous attitude that if you don’t like it you don’t have to watch it. Then just tell me how I avoid all the potty mouth teenagers/young adults in the store/restaurants/theater???? How do I avoid the racy ads and the commercials? Go live in a freaking bubble??


20 posted on 01/08/2011 10:02:14 PM PST by kelly4c
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To: Petruchio

We are sexual beings and nudity does bring our minds to sex often times. Depending on our mood. Human nature. You see cloudy skies... you think rain.


21 posted on 01/08/2011 10:06:24 PM PST by kelly4c
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To: kelly4c

Hitting the TV remote button to “off” is the moral equivalent to flushing a commode. Yet the stench lingers on around us in our sick TV-ized society.


22 posted on 01/08/2011 10:18:09 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby; Cisco Nix
Anti-porn writer Gail Dines claims that the average age boys start looking at porn is 11 years old. I shudder to think what sort of mental baggage these young men will be carrying into their marriages.

I think most of us old guys were about that age when we got our first peek at a Play Boy, Penthouse or Hustler. I think I was about eight or nine when I found my older brother's Oui. It had a lot of freaky lesbian crap.

Back then, it was more or less hidden. These days, society celebrates every depraved act imaginable.

23 posted on 01/08/2011 10:27:24 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: BillKneer

Placemark for pingout.


24 posted on 01/08/2011 10:41:48 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: kelly4c

If you want a bubble, do like my wife and I did right before our first was born and throw away the TV.


25 posted on 01/08/2011 10:49:41 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: BillKneer
Brave New World is amazingly prescient. Huxley fashioned his future world centered on promiscuous sex and the obliteration of the family.

Will & Ariel Durant, in their History of the World section on the Roman Empire, say that sexual liberty flourished as political freedoms diminished.

The great Pope Benedict XVI speaks so eloquently of the chains of sin. One can see those chains being forged now by the Great Governmental Expanse of this 21st Century.
26 posted on 01/08/2011 10:51:33 PM PST by jobim
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To: Grizzled Bear

And those magazines are a factor in where we are today.
Many things are better left in the closet. No, they’ll never be entirely gone but, put in a place where they do not effect every aspect of life and where someone has to actually looking for it instead of an in-your-face, glorified, idolized, replacement for God and holiness.

One would think sex is the only thing that really matters in our society anymore, personal gratification at any cost.
The ultimate in intolerance is telling someone to restrain themselves.


27 posted on 01/08/2011 10:53:13 PM PST by glassylassie
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To: BillKneer

Proud to say that the only woman I have ever had sex with is my wife . Guess I’m a weirdo .


28 posted on 01/08/2011 11:02:23 PM PST by sushiman
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To: trumandogz

Naw, I don’t want to be in that sterile of a bubble:) although I must say I’m in awe of you for being able to go entirely without it! I need to have the occasional “company” of one and will admit, the Sprout channel does keep my grandson occupied long enough to give me a little break here and there.


29 posted on 01/08/2011 11:05:35 PM PST by kelly4c
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To: glassylassie

“And those magazines are a factor in where we are today.
Many things are better left in the closet.”

Guess you said it better first. Yes, it certainly felt better back when people kept some of their own doings, not to mention personal entertainment, more private. Funny that someone actually mentioned the 50s, when in fact, it reminds me of the show I Love Lucy, where the two leading roles, even though they were married on the show and in real life didn’t even share a bed on TV. Odd, but I guess the TV producers actually cared quite hard about content on TV, given that now most television shows have become the exact opposite - mow most of your shows are about or at least feature people who aren’t married living and doing all sorts of things together in the home.


30 posted on 01/09/2011 1:14:30 AM PST by Morpheus2009 (God doesn't play dice - Albert Einstein)
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

Anti-porn writer Gail Dines claims that the average age boys start looking at porn is 11 years old. I shudder to think what sort of mental baggage these young men will be carrying into their marriages.

It’s worse than that. Think about the fact that 11 yrs for a guy is a time where the guy is developing as well, think about what having information of premarital or extramarital relations, homosexuality, and who knows what else in your mind at that early stage of adolescence, the vast prospects aren’t exactly pretty.


31 posted on 01/09/2011 1:24:27 AM PST by Morpheus2009 (God doesn't play dice - Albert Einstein)
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To: BillKneer

“when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator” - Romans 1


32 posted on 01/09/2011 5:10:17 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: BillKneer
As a conservative/libertarian, here's the problem I have with the conservatives. If a policy or institution is around long enough, they seem compelled to "conserve" it, no matter how much damage that policy or institution causes.

Drugs, all drugs, were legal for purchase up to around 1912. So, from 1776 to 1912 drugs, opium, morphine, cocaine were legal for purchase by anyone. Why wasn't the country destroyed during that time by drugs? Why would it be destroyed today by drugs? Someone, who believes that actually has zero faith in his fellow Americans. And calls for all-powerful government to keep his fellow Americans in line.

Here are the fact, drug prohibition went along with alcohol prohibition as the little brother in the progressive/liberal project to control Americans for a promised brighter future. How's that hope and change working out for you? And why are conservatives the strongest defenders of the progressive project? Idiocy.

Public education was launched in the 1820's as a socialist/liberal/do-gooder project to raise children away from the beliefs of their Christian parents. Government schools are socialist organizations defended as such by socialists to prove to Americans, they have nothing to fear from socialism. Why do conservatives insist on "reforming" public education? Is socialism capable of reform? Nope, it's not. And 50+ years of failure in reforming government schools ought to be enough for anyone to come to that conclusion.

33 posted on 01/09/2011 6:19:32 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: Petruchio

I think you missed the point...It’s not all about the nudity...Its about the American culture. We have come down so far that now what is good is evil and what is evil is good...

All is excepted in American culture as long as it is bad....If its good its not.

It is more than nudity its about the sexualization of America and our kids We put all this in the heads of our kids an then wonder why the world is like it is...


34 posted on 01/09/2011 6:34:21 AM PST by BillKneer
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To: RoadTest
Thank you my friend.
35 posted on 01/09/2011 6:41:13 AM PST by Robulus (Be wary, be vigilant, for your enemy walketh about as a roaring lion.)
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To: BillKneer
Has there ever in history been a great society that didn't end?

I'm glad I got my 57 years in during it's golden era.

36 posted on 01/09/2011 6:43:41 AM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: glassylassie
And those magazines are a factor in where we are today. Many things are better left in the closet. No, they’ll never be entirely gone but, put in a place where they do not effect every aspect of life and where someone has to actually looking for it instead of an in-your-face, glorified, idolized, replacement for God and holiness.

Exactly. Back then, me and my friends were curious about them because they were forbidden. We knew damn well that we had better not get caught looking at them.

Somehow, between then and now, we moved to a point where they're trying to teach masturbation and "fisting" in grade school.

I miss our "innocence."

37 posted on 01/09/2011 7:34:22 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: BillKneer

If it weren’t for sex there wouldn’t be an American society.


38 posted on 01/09/2011 7:41:20 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: BillKneer

From John Derbyshire:

The question: “Why should I not do as I please within the law, so long as I harm no-one else?” would, at all earlier times, have drawn one or both of the answers: “Because it offends God” or “Because you will become a social outcast”.

The first of these has no force for our new elites, who do not believe in God; the second is not only without force for them, it is without meaning. To exclude a person from one’s drawing-room because their personal pleasures are aberrant would be “discrimination”.


39 posted on 01/09/2011 8:26:36 AM PST by donna (Imagine...women who honor men enough not to tempt them.)
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To: Glenn

, Glenn wrote:
Has there ever in history been a great society that didn’t end?

Of course not, but it’s really that given modern technology, this society we live in could collapse faster than prior empires did. I think the problem that a lot of people have though, is confusing inspiration from God with infallibility. Numerous empires that Christianity and its predecessors, the Jews, and the Israelites, lived under the dominion of fell, but they outlasted them. I think though, even though I hope this doesn’t happen, the event of America falling, most of our religions will outlast it and keep going, much less it still being an inspiration for future republics to form as well.


40 posted on 01/09/2011 10:19:54 AM PST by Morpheus2009 ("God doesn't play dice" - Albert Einstein)
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To: BillKneer

Good article Bill. I see Liberaltarians like trumandogz says what basically amounts to “put a condom over it” when talking about porn on the internet or tv (condoms didn’t stop the spread of AIDS or the homosexual agenda from spreading throughout our valuable American institutions).

Liberaltarianism is truly a mental disorder. They can’t see past the ash on the tip of their doobie, and don’t realize that if these sinful acts were indeed “victimless crimes”, they wouldn’t be called “crimes” to begin with.

Take the “victimless crime” of pornography for example:

30 years of data connects pornography with child molestation. Some “victimless crime” huh?

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=705570


41 posted on 01/09/2011 4:54:20 PM PST by aSeattleConservative ("...the American Christian ... would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees!" G. Washington)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
As a conservative/libertarian...

Not possible. Either you're a conservative who believes in the principles of Christianity that our Founding Fathers espoused, or you're a Libertarian (there is no small "l" in Libertarianism) who believes that man has the so-called "right" to do with his body as he damn well pleases (of course as long as no one else is "harmed", i.e. a "victimless crime").

You can't have it both ways.

42 posted on 01/09/2011 5:01:57 PM PST by aSeattleConservative ("...the American Christian ... would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees!" G. Washington)
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To: Petruchio

>>Simple nudity does not equal sex.

But who is most typically nude in entertainment? Attractive women. As popular as Betty White is, no producer would put her in a nude scene because she is not sexually attractive. Even if it’s not a sex scene, the nudity serves to get the men aroused.


43 posted on 01/09/2011 5:41:47 PM PST by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: aSeattleConservative

You’re a nitwit.


44 posted on 01/09/2011 7:06:54 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
You’re a nitwit.

Ya know Jabba, things could be worse.

I could me a menber of the pro abortion, pro sodomite/child molesting, pro "let's get hiiiiiiiigh", pro pornography, pro prostitution, pro suicide Liberaltarian Party, but (sigh) I believe in God and His laws, and because of that it's just not possible.

45 posted on 01/09/2011 8:42:01 PM PST by aSeattleConservative ("...the American Christian ... would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees!" G. Washington)
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To: sushiman
And I for one respect you for that and wish I could say the same. Women were not made to become sperm receptacles, but mothers for our children, and wives for the husbands and our best friends in our old age. We have left that path and the perversity we see today is one of the signs of the End of Time today, and for that I am most happy to see the End of Satan, His lies, disease resulting from such, and all of the wars.

My job as a word processing specialist and union steward and paralegal gave me a unique perspective on God, marriage, family and children in addition to the Bible, that filled in the spots I had questions about, since my Depression era parents were not forthcoming with sex education materials, since they were both shy, backward farm kids. I worked for the Ohio Dept of Health, AIDS/HIV Surveillance Section. I have seen color glossy photos of the ravages of sexually transmitted diseases that made my stomach turn and heave, it is so gross. The onslaught of the ravages of AIDS/HIV left whole towns with nothing but old grandmas and newborns, for it had killed all the others, and there was no one else left to take care of the babies, except for the evil men who wanted girls who had not contacted AIDS/HIV, so they raped the babies and old ladies, to avoid getting AIDS/HIV. This is so cruel, but not even the half of it, but I don't want to miss the gist of the moral of the story. Be single, obey God and if you can't contain your bodily desires, get married, but keep the wedding bed pure, and the wife holy, for she will be the mother of your children.

The Bible and this job taught me to be celibate and very, very careful as if the Bible was not enough to do that, this made it more certain, that I would not catch some gross and fatal disease, that cost more in one year in drugs than I made to live on. God blesses those who obey him, and He curses those who disobey him.

We are to worship the Creator, and not the creatures, creations or creature comforts and become Idolaters, tossing God and His Word out the window for the desires of lust and shame. God knowing our evil nature has provided an escape from such and a cure for sin, the Word of God, the Holy Spirit, and Salvation from the Lake of Fire. Without these, we would have lost all that we were made to obtain and enjoy.

Sexual sins, like all sins, cause God to remove His blessings from us in Deuteronomy chapters 28-33, and force the demons to oppress and possess those who do so, punishing them with physical and spiritual death and torment. We make our own beds and then we must sleep in them, I refer to our state of mind and peace of mind when it comes time for judgment for our sins in thoughts, words and deeds. Thank God Jesus’ death and blood brought to us forgiveness of sins and salvation from death in the Eternal Lake of Fire. Knowing evil, I wish I had been holy and righteous, but I am not perfect, just forgiven and glad to get one foot in the door of heaven.

I hope you all meet a godly spouse, have a good marriage, full of God's blessings in children, for only then, can a mere mortal become a God and create a child after his own likeness, so we can then understand how we were created after His Image.

46 posted on 01/10/2011 7:48:51 AM PST by ChristianPatriot13
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To: Jabba the Nutt

The difference is in 1912 drug use was seen as an undesirable lifestyle choice and heavily stigmatized. Now that the liberals have taken over the media even pointing out the negatives of drug use becomes a “hate crime”. I am surrounded by liberals on a daily basis so I know of what I speak. Lacking either legal or social consequences, people will have no incentive to do the right thing. Which means, given the inherently flawed and imperfect nature of human beings, that they will make the wrong choices. And if drug use sharply increases how can the absolute capitalist system you favor function? Are drug users likely to be industrious workers and investors or are they more likely to demand a government handout? As much as you economic conservatives hate social conservatism you can’t have one without the other.

If you were serious about repealing laws against drug use you’d try to change society so that drug use would carry social consequences and the drug laws would be redundant. But I don’t see the libertarians doing that anytime soon; if I did their ideology would appeal a lot more to me. All I see them doing is demanding absolute economic liberty while whining about the sacrifices that that liberty requires. Ditch the libertarian label and start calling yourselves what you really are: quasi-anarchists. You’ll gain more popularity among bored youth looking for something to rebel against and you’ll be more honest about what your goals really are.

See post 39.


47 posted on 01/11/2011 12:03:41 PM PST by SoCal SoCon (Mr. President might I ask what you do with my 4th Amendment rights when not using them as a urinal?)
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To: SoCal SoCon
Yes, overuse of drugs, alcohol, etc. was stigmatized in 1912. During the previous 100 years, the amount of alcohol drunk per person in the US declined tremendously. Gee, alcohol and drugs were legal and social pressure was effective.

How did people see bootleggers and rumrunners during Prohibition? Illegal and then glamorous.

Re-legalize and then it's people personal character flaws that arise in substance abuse.

48 posted on 01/11/2011 7:05:01 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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