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Breaking: Democrats Plotted to Blame Tea Party for Slaughter
BigGovernment.com ^ | Jan 9th 2011 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 01/09/2011 12:15:34 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike

A rescue helicopter lifts off as first responders evacuate victims from a “Congress on Your Corner” event in Tucson, Arizona, where U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) among others were shot and seriously wounded. (Reuters)

Democrats plotted to blame the tea party patriots for yesterday’s slaugher in Arizona.

A democratic operative admitted this to The Politico.

Of course, Politico buried it in their story.

(Excerpt) Read more at biggovernment.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: democrats; dems; duplicate; giffords; obama; palin; reichstagfire
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Thank you very much, I let slip the terrorist buddies of Obama’s for a second. Can’t do that.


101 posted on 01/09/2011 3:01:30 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: JouleZ

Judge Roll was threatened after he allowed a lawsuit by illegals to go forward against the family of the rancher who was murdered on his own land by illegals.

He and his family were given security protection for a while. I don’t know when that stopped.


102 posted on 01/09/2011 3:02:32 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; indylindy

Thanks butter!!!

TRANSLATED: A looming dictatorship approaching, especially with NBC issue in mind and possible the 2012 election???


103 posted on 01/09/2011 3:04:31 PM PST by danamco (')
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To: bigbob

Now is no time for the Republicans to back off. Rather, it is the perfect opportunity to remind people that the following expressions are straight out of the mouth of Obama and the Democrats:

“If they bring a knife to the fight, you bring a gun.”
“Get in their face.”
“Boots on their necks.”
“Dead! Dead! Dead!” (spoken by Emanuel as he recited names and then thrust a KNIFE into the table)
I’m sure you can add more here . . . . . . .
And by the way, couldn’t a dead fish sent through the mail be construed as some sort of threat or intimidation?

I, for one, categorically reject this spin by the MSM and will refute it at every opportunity. I hope that Boehner and the R’s will do the same, loud and clear.


104 posted on 01/09/2011 3:08:49 PM PST by 1951Boomer
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To: indylindy

According to this site, it’s the sheriff who’s saying Judge Roll was not a target. I guess that tells us how earnestly they researched before coming up with the answer. (cough)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2011/01/wrong_place_at_wrong_time.php


105 posted on 01/09/2011 3:09:33 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; Sequoyah101

Even more incendiary is the first words from the congresswoman’s father: Her enemies was the Tea Party. Shame on him!!!


106 posted on 01/09/2011 3:11:07 PM PST by danamco (')
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To: Hotlanta Mike

FYI I didn’t write that. I was from a dummie site. I just posted it for the record.

Personaally I watch Beck everyday. NO WAY does he advocate violence. He has preached calm peaceful protest.

Frankly I agree with him, the lefties can’t stand it, the Dummies just want to bash heads.
Look at how they have written stories in the last 24 hours. They can’t even put one sentence together without incindiary rhetoric. Hate speech personified.

They are vocabulary challenge when it comes to civil discourse. Look at that leftie Sheriff, whoa talk about a reactionary.


107 posted on 01/09/2011 3:12:42 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: publana

From this article it says they had 24-hour protection for Judge Roll for about a month in 2009 - including when he went to Mass (further illustrating how well-known his routine for Mass was).

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/marshals_were_taking_appropriate_actions_following_murder_of_federal_judge_john_roll.php?ref=fpi

It refers to the New York Times possibly having more information about the security for Judge Roll.


108 posted on 01/09/2011 3:15:23 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: JLAGRAYFOX; Hotlanta Mike

Just take a closer look at the new yellow drapes in the usurper’s “Pen-House.” It says it all!!!


109 posted on 01/09/2011 3:17:07 PM PST by danamco (')
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To: danamco

The dad gets a pass. His beloved daughter has a bullet hole in her head, is conversing with that pos sheriff, and watched his daughter go through a close race with a TEA party candidate (and probably has been concerned for her safety since the glass window was mysteriously broken.)

The POS partisan sheriff does not.


110 posted on 01/09/2011 3:17:07 PM PST by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: butterdezillion

U.S. marshals put Roll, who was appointed to the federal bench by President George H.W. Bush in 1991, under 24-hour protection for about a month.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/marshals_were_taking_appropriate_actions_following_murder_of_federal_judge_john_roll.php


111 posted on 01/09/2011 3:17:14 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: danamco

Interesting that on her Youtube page the featured video is of her endorsing a 5% cut in congressional expenses. Right in there with the Rs.


112 posted on 01/09/2011 3:23:08 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: butterdezillion

Just getting in from work... at a large grocery chain.... did the second shooter get IDd? How were there 18 shots fired with one Glock? thanks


113 posted on 01/09/2011 3:24:53 PM PST by txhurl (This Is Not America.)
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To: marsh2

Bye, bye Miss American pie.


114 posted on 01/09/2011 3:25:32 PM PST by virgil
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To: Drumbo
Thanks! My 4th novel is almost finished, BTW.


115 posted on 01/09/2011 3:25:50 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: JouleZ

It was said on foxnews that he had protection for a few years. I think it was Meghan Kelly that asked when it was stopped
The man ( can’t remember who it was) said he was unsure. I was left with the impression that it was recent, but could have gotten the wrong impression.


116 posted on 01/09/2011 3:25:53 PM PST by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: JouleZ

This site says that it is the death of Judge Roll that gives the feds jurisdiction to investigate these murders. Isn’t that convenient? The Obama Administration who would want Judge Roll dead and get to replace him if he dies, are the ones who get to control all the evidence in his killing. Handy. The FBI would only be authorized to come to AZ when they knew Roll was dead. I wonder how soon they got there, and how soon they were notified that Roll was dead.

http://www.suite101.com/content/us-district-court-judge-john-m-roll-1947-2011-a330092

I’m not sure what happens to the case where he ruled against Obama. If that was a preliminary ruling, as I thought I had read, would an Obama appointee have to finish off the thing - possibly reversing what Judge Roll had done?


117 posted on 01/09/2011 3:26:08 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Is that the same Sheriff I think it is? The Dem operative azzhole?

He is a credible source, isn’t he? LOL


118 posted on 01/09/2011 3:31:57 PM PST by dforest
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To: publana

Interesting. Could be that just the 24-hour protection lasted a year, and partial protection continued.

One of the links I just gave said that he was in the middle of a suit over whether the law against “ethnic studies” in schools, which went into effect Dec 31st, could continue to be in effect. So there were still emotional issues that could/should have warranted protection.

From just looking at Google responses, seems like the threats he received were from all over the country and most of it came down to 4 people. I don’t know where those 4 people were from - if any were from Arizona.

I would still like to know who Loughlin made death threats against, and when. That could also be revealing. Probably doesn’t fit the narrative.


119 posted on 01/09/2011 3:33:15 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Future Snake Eater
I remember that and the tactic created a higher listener-ship for Rush.
That certainly had to piss them off. Harry should send another letter.
120 posted on 01/09/2011 3:42:46 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: publana

Interesting. Could be that just the 24-hour protection lasted a year, and partial protection continued.

One of the links I just gave said that he was in the middle of a suit over whether the law against “ethnic studies” in schools, which went into effect Dec 31st, could continue to be in effect. So there were still emotional issues that could/should have warranted protection.

From just looking at Google responses, seems like the threats he received were from all over the country and most of it came down to 4 people. I don’t know where those 4 people were from - if any were from Arizona.

I would still like to know who Loughlin made death threats against, and when. That could also be revealing. Probably doesn’t fit the narrative.


121 posted on 01/09/2011 3:48:25 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: indylindy

About as credible as Janet Napolitano...


122 posted on 01/09/2011 3:49:43 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

“The FBI would only be authorized to come to AZ when they knew Roll was dead. I wonder how soon they got there, ...”

************

I’m pretty sure there is an FBI office in Phoenix. So it would just be a matter of hours to Tucson.


123 posted on 01/09/2011 3:55:06 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: publana

“It was said on foxnews that he had protection for a few years.”

Fox news also reported the death of the Congresswoman so they get stuff wrong sometimes. ;)


124 posted on 01/09/2011 3:58:11 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: butterdezillion
IMO, you're giving the shooter too much credit for being capable to plan to kill a judge who wasn't supposed to be there, much less to shoot a non-fatal shot to a congresswoman's head. He shot too many people who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I don't think the Tea Party was on his radar.

125 posted on 01/09/2011 4:02:53 PM PST by lonestar
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To: Sequoyah101

When I saw all the hyperbole and rhetoric start turning against the “Tea Party”, I felt like this was a false flag type of operation.

Or a “Telefon” operation. Charles Bronson fans know what I mean.

I still want to know how this 22 y.o. kid hit his target with such lethality so many times in so few seconds. AFAIK, this kid was never in the military.

There are LEO shootouts with perps where the LEOs fire 50 rounds and no one gets killed.

Something is not adding up here.

The Left has to be pummeled with the Truth before the lies take root.


126 posted on 01/09/2011 4:06:18 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: JouleZ

More information here: http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0111/Judges_final_actions_key_to_federal_charge_for_his_murder.html

Which also links to the official charges against Loughner.

Turns out that the feds couldn’t be involved in the investigation regarding Judge Roll if Roll had just on the spur of the moment decided to go visit his friend, as the sheriff claimed he did. So the FBI officer who filed the charges said that Judge Roll was there to do official duties. Claims he spoke to Giffords’ aide for a couple minutes, as evidenced by aerial video of the event.

I wonder who took aerial video of it.

The FBI filer says that Roll was informed of the Giffords event on or near Jan 7th, but didn’t say who informed him of it. I would love to know who informed him of it, and whether that person then expected that Roll would be at the event. How did the FBI confirm that he was informed of the event, and why did they not say who informed him of the event or in what context?

The charges only claim that Loughner INTENDED to kill Giffords and her aides but doesn’t say why it distinguishes between the deaths.

It does mention an envelope in a safe which had the words “I planned”, “assassination” and “Giffords”, and what they say appears to be Loughner’s signature. I don’t know if that’s all that was on the envelope or not. The assumption is that he’s saying he planned to assassinate Giffords. If so, he wanted everybody to think that Giffords is the target - provided that the envelope was genuinely written by him.

Which is kind of silly, since he could have made it very clear that Giffords was the target by actually shooting until she was dead and then shooting himself. For some reason his plan had to include seemingly random shots at the crowd as well.

That envelope - which seems to have had no grammar, his big fetish - could also mean that he planned to assassinate somebody else at the Giffords event. Filling in the blanks goes more than one way.

He did not end up assassinating Giffords. IIRC, she was still talking after she was shot. If that’s so then he knew she was still alive, and he didn’t bother to shoot her dead. The two people he supposedly intended to kill and in all that shooting he didn’t manage to kill either one.

He did assassinate Judge Roll, who the prosecutor claims did not just decide on the spur of the moment to pop in there.

The FBI definitely wanted to be able to investigate Judge Roll’s death. They contradicted the sheriff’s claims in order to be allowed to investigate.


127 posted on 01/09/2011 4:38:46 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I’d also like to know when Loughner called the cab, when the cab picked him up, and from where.


128 posted on 01/09/2011 4:41:30 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I’d also like to know when Loughner called the cab, when the cab picked him up, and from where.


129 posted on 01/09/2011 4:41:46 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: centurion316

Guess i had my facts confused . Thanks for correcting


130 posted on 01/09/2011 4:41:54 PM PST by dmet
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To: butterdezillion

And why did the sheriff presume to know why and how Judge Roll came to be at that event? How did he know what good friends Giffords and Roll were? The sheriff immediately presented the story that it was an accident that Roll was there, but his immediate claims didn’t withstand the scrutiny of the FBI.

Things don’t match up. Seems like the sheriff was very quick to paint a picture that he couldn’t have known but which he very much wanted everybody to believe.


131 posted on 01/09/2011 4:47:04 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Hotlanta Mike
plotted
132 posted on 01/09/2011 5:12:18 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

bookmark


133 posted on 01/09/2011 5:32:31 PM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: indylindy
I don’t think I mentioned a radio and a tooth.

Who said you did? I said it because I think he's nuts.

134 posted on 01/09/2011 5:35:36 PM PST by lonestar
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To: indylindy

Indylindy, look at post 23 at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2654030/posts?page=25

Check out my forensics, but I seriously wonder whether Loughner was shooting past Giffords to hit Judge Roll, who was shaking her hand at the time she was shot.

The bullet went in her left temple and came out her forehead close enough on the left side that the bullet only impacted one hemisphere. It was a shallow, diagonal hit only on the left side of her brain.

Like the shooter wasn’t even necessarily aiming at her but at something past her - something in front of her and to her right, which is right where somebody shaking her hand would be. The person shaking her hand was Judge Roll.

Try to picture the scenario in your mind. He was less than 4 feet away from her when he shot. There’s only a certain location he could have shot from to make that kind of wound. If he had wanted to kill her from a position to her left and slightly behind her he could have shot her in the torso and had a much bigger target.

I wonder how tall Judge Roll is, and how tall Giffords is.


135 posted on 01/09/2011 6:41:00 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; indylindy

Butter, thank you. Last night my wife and I, after hearing medical doctors on FOX discussing her injury were asking one another, why and how her head injuries were not fatal on such a short distance and why the bullet would exit in the forehead instead going through her scull and exit the back side???

Reminds me of the bullet penetrating JFK and injured the Texas Governor. I think you are on to something while sending Mueller down to cover for the usurper like Hoover, hmmmm, very hmmmm!!!


136 posted on 01/09/2011 10:16:49 PM PST by danamco (')
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To: butterdezillion

More confusing stuff!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2654135/posts


137 posted on 01/09/2011 11:36:17 PM PST by danamco (')
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To: lonestar
The guy had about 25 targets. He killed 6 with head shots. He wounded another 13 with head shots. He was preparing to load another magazine.

That is NOT RANDOM SHOOTING!@

138 posted on 01/12/2011 4:53:40 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You think the shooter knew any of his victims other than the congresswoman? He was shooting anything in his vision...randomly. He didn’t have a clue who they were ...and didn’t care...including the judge!


139 posted on 01/12/2011 10:11:49 PM PST by lonestar
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To: dfwgator
The Rats are looking for a ‘Reichstag Fire’ to use as an excuse to silence dissent.

If "The Revolution Is Coming" then they suffered premature ejaculations:

The fag on high! The ranks close tightly!
MSNBC minces with tingles up our legs.
Comrades shot by Rush Limbaugh and Teabaggers
March in spirit within our ranks.

Clear the streets for the brownshirts,
Clear the streets for the SEIU!
Already millions, upon seeing the "O", are filled with hopey-changey
The day of bread and circuses is dawning!

The call has sounded for the last time
Never let a crisis go to waste!
Soon Barack's flags will fly over all streets.
The Constitution will only last a short time more!

The fag on high! The ranks close tightly!
MSNBC minces with tingles up our legs.
Comrades shot by Rush Limbaugh and Teabaggers
March in spirit within our ranks.

140 posted on 01/15/2011 1:16:43 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: muawiyah

I believe we’ve seen this sort of thing before with videogame-”trained” shooters. I can’t remember what the other incident was, though, perhaps someone else will see this and chime in.


141 posted on 01/15/2011 2:39:25 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: lonestar
"Shooting at random people" is different from "shooting randomly". However, he wasn't wandering about the shopping center shooting at just anybody ~ his targets were clustered at a tent.

He shot them all quite methodically and deliberately.

142 posted on 01/15/2011 4:01:28 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"Shooting at random people" is different from "shooting randomly". However, he wasn't wandering about the shopping center shooting at just anybody ~ his targets were clustered at a tent.

He shot them all quite methodically and deliberately.

Sorry!

1) I didn't know you were there and were an eye witness!

2) I didn't major in semantics.

3)I've been away...having a life. You should get one.

143 posted on 01/18/2011 3:49:59 PM PST by lonestar
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