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Loughner Spoke to Giffords in 2007 (Tracked, Targeted Her; Known for Making Threats)
CBS News ^ | Jan. 9, 2011 | CBS/AP

Posted on 01/09/2011 3:35:24 PM PST by Innovative

Jared Loughner, the suspect accused of killing six people and wounding 13 others Saturday, including Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, was described by friends and neighbors as a disturbed, pot-smoking loner who lived with his parents.

Additionally, sources tell CBS News that Loughner had made threats in the past and even interacted with Giffords in 2007.

CBS News Justice and Homeland Security correspondent Bob Orr said on "Face the Nation" Sunday, "We do know from our sources and from our national security analyst Juan Zarate that Loughner had an interaction once before with Congresswoman Giffords back in 2007, where he apparently posed a question to her, kind of a benign question.

"She answered the question; he didn't find it acceptable, he didn't like the answer," Orr said.

"In the time since then, investigators believe perhaps he was tracking her and targeting her in a very loose way," Orr told CBS chief Washington correspondent Bob Schieffer.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2007; clarencedupnik; giffords; loughner; sheriffdupnik; shooting
The truth is coming out -- so how can the Dems still trying to blame the tea party?!
1 posted on 01/09/2011 3:35:26 PM PST by Innovative
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To: Innovative

Hmmm. When did the Tea Party start. I think it was after 2007.


2 posted on 01/09/2011 3:36:43 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: VRWC For Truth

Ping.


3 posted on 01/09/2011 3:39:04 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Innovative
The truth is coming out -- so how can the Dems still trying to blame the tea party?!

As more of the truth comes out about this guy, the whole thing could very well disappear down the memory hole, along with Ted Kaczynski's copy of Al Gore's book and the Islamic motivations of the Ft. Hood shooter and the D.C. snipers.

4 posted on 01/09/2011 3:42:44 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: screaminsunshine

No but that damn sheriff knew him!!!! and of him and what he was capable of...


5 posted on 01/09/2011 3:43:38 PM PST by GoCards (Why me? Why not me?)
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To: Innovative
so how can the Dems still trying to blame the tea party?!

Blind hatred.

6 posted on 01/09/2011 3:43:57 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Here's a thought!! Donate to the website you are on RIGHT NOW!! .... *waves hi to DS*)
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To: Innovative

Wow, this guy must have taken a particular interest in Alaska politics, for Sarah Palin to cause him to do this in 2007.


7 posted on 01/09/2011 3:45:27 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Steely Tom
Anything that doesn't prove or that totally debunks DummyRat/Left Loons screed usually does.
8 posted on 01/09/2011 3:45:29 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Innovative
back in 2007

B..Bu..But -- how does this square with the msm's assertion that Sarah Palin made him do it?

9 posted on 01/09/2011 3:45:38 PM PST by rhinohunter (I think Jeb's very happy in Florida, and I hope he'll stay there.)
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To: GoCards
No but that damn sheriff knew him!!!! and of him and what he was capable of...

Lets hope voters in that county remember this next time he's up for re-election.

10 posted on 01/09/2011 3:46:47 PM PST by Valpal1 ("The two enemies of the people are criminals and government..." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Innovative

The info about asking the representative a question and being unhappy with the answer was also mentioned by the shooters class and bandmate Caitie Parker here: ..http://bit.ly/f2xRhC (She sets the record straight-shooter was no conservative)


11 posted on 01/09/2011 3:47:55 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: GoCards
No but that damn sheriff knew him!!!! and of him and what he was capable of...

I wonder if this is why Sheriff Goebbels has lawyered up?

12 posted on 01/09/2011 3:48:21 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Innovative

but but but - there’s was no Tea Party then -

oops


13 posted on 01/09/2011 3:49:39 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: Innovative

Well now it all makes sense..Sarah Palin IS involved, she obviously used time travel..damn, just when you think you know everything about her you find out that she is a magician


14 posted on 01/09/2011 3:49:58 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Innovative

“a disturbed, pot-smoking loner who lived with his parents”

I guess if he was injured he would have been covered under his parents policy because of Obamacare.


15 posted on 01/09/2011 3:51:22 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: Innovative

BTW, the truth doesn’t matter. The left has nothing to lose by trying to pin this on the right, Tea Party, Palin, etc. Turns out it probably won’t stick (except with what I call the ‘rabid 27%’).

No problem. They quickly shifted to a new tactic. Now we hear “The overall tone of the political rhetoric has caused this”. Its kinda like Global Warming being changed to ‘Climate Change’. Now, no matter what this guy’s political leanings, the left will be able to USE this incident.

There is what I call an agnostic liberal where I work. He just doesn’t pay attention to get through the white noise of the media. I guarantee when I talk to him Monday morning, he’s gonna say ‘wow, that guy killed those people because of the TEA party’. I will have to educate him on the facts.

1. Nothing to do with TEA party.

2. The guy is a lone idiot - nobody’s fault but his own.

3. It is disgusting for anyone to try and score political points with this, especially before the bodies are even buried, or the wounded have even made it to the hospital.

I think one of the most important things we can do is personally educate people we know, who aren’t rabid liberals...but just don’t pay enough attention.


16 posted on 01/09/2011 3:52:37 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Innovative

And the Sheriff has a lot to answer for, it would seem.


17 posted on 01/09/2011 3:53:28 PM PST by Carley (PRINTING OPINION, IGNORING THE FACTS......the msm!!!)
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To: Innovative

Many questioned whether the nation’s polarized political climate had played a role, even as Loughner’s political views remained unclear late Saturday.”

No, his political views remain unclear only to the willfully blind. His internet postings and the statements of friends and classmates define him very well.


18 posted on 01/09/2011 3:53:43 PM PST by bereanway (I'd rather have 40 Marco Rubios than 60 Arlen Specters)
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To: screaminsunshine
When did the Tea Party start. I think it was after 2007.

It began after the famous "Tea Party Rant" by CNBC's Rick Santelli on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile on February 19, 2009.

-PJ

19 posted on 01/09/2011 3:54:20 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: GoCards

No wonder the Sheriff is attacking the “vitriolic” airwaves.

In September of last year, Pima Community College was worried enough about Loughner that they had the police, not college officials, deliver notice of his suspension. He could return only if he obtained a clearance certifying that “in the opinion of a mental health professional, his presence at the College does not present a danger to himself or others.”

Now we learn that law enforcement knew of threats he made as far back as 2007.

He was too dangerous for community college and a known potential threat to Giffords but was able to pass a background check to buy a gun on November 30?


20 posted on 01/09/2011 3:56:05 PM PST by fullchroma
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To: Carley
And the Sheriff has a lot to answer for, it would seem.

Indeed. Have we heard anything from Sheriff Fat-Mouth lately? Or has he decided to take a little breather from dispensing his commentary on politics and the media.

21 posted on 01/09/2011 3:56:14 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Innovative

gasp...... yesterday cBS was blaming Palin


22 posted on 01/09/2011 3:58:25 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Political Junkie Too

Well hoe can the Tea Party and Palin be the cause of this. They were not even on the radar?


23 posted on 01/09/2011 3:59:18 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: lacrew

They will switch to the old standby. Gun Control.


24 posted on 01/09/2011 4:00:28 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: screaminsunshine
That is an inconvenient truth.

-PJ

25 posted on 01/09/2011 4:03:16 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: rhinohunter

On February 19, 2009, in a broadcast from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, CNBC Business News editor Rick Santelli criticized the government plan to refinance mortgages, which had just been announced the day before. He said that those plans were “promoting bad behavior” by, “subsidizing losers’ mortgages.” He suggested holding a tea party for traders to gather and dump the derivatives in the Chicago River on July 1. A number of the floor traders around him cheered on his proposal, to the amusement of the hosts in the studio. Santelli’s “rant” became a viral video after being featured on the Drudge Report.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement


26 posted on 01/09/2011 4:05:17 PM PST by RasterMaster (The only way to open a LIEberal mind is with a brick!)
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To: Innovative

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik failed to protect the community.

Even the local college saw this man as a threat.


27 posted on 01/09/2011 4:13:08 PM PST by NoLibZone (Homosexuals oppose diversity.)
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To: NoLibZone

I see congressional hearings in his future.


28 posted on 01/09/2011 4:18:46 PM PST by GWynand
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To: NoLibZone; Innovative; RasterMaster; Political Junkie Too

No doubt Pima Co.’s residents appealed to Sheriff Joe for help...


29 posted on 01/09/2011 4:19:15 PM PST by txhurl (This Is Not America.)
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To: GWynand

So far all I see is a call to to limit the first two amendments.

It’s the only solution the guys like Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik know.

He failed big and needs to assign blame away from himself.


30 posted on 01/09/2011 4:22:28 PM PST by NoLibZone (Homosexuals oppose diversity.)
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To: Innovative

There is absolutely NOTHING that suggests that this guy has done ANYTHING to suggest he is a conservative or even a far right nut, but his list of reading material screams “liberal” and at least one person who claims to know him says he is a liberal. Yet the media is avoiding linking him in any way to liberals.


31 posted on 01/09/2011 4:24:22 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Innovative

It is the same level of incompetence as 911.

So get ready for the cover up for HLS, who COMPLETELY MISSED this nutjob even with having plenty of information..


32 posted on 01/09/2011 4:28:28 PM PST by Fred (Suspend All Immigration Until Unemployment is Reduced to 5%)
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To: Innovative
That evil vixen Palin obviously used a Time Machine© to travel back to 2007 to brainwash Loughner in the past. I'll be she was on the Grassy Knoll too!
33 posted on 01/09/2011 4:28:28 PM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: Innovative

What was the question?


34 posted on 01/09/2011 4:28:37 PM PST by heights
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To: Innovative

*bookmark*


35 posted on 01/09/2011 4:28:54 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: screaminsunshine

Neither did anyone in the MSM know who Sarah Palin was in 2007!


36 posted on 01/09/2011 4:32:17 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: NoLibZone

A restraining order would have helped if part of the firearm background check include a search for a standing TRO.

Many states require that all firearms be removed from someone with a legal TRO and no issuance of new firemarms.

If I was running the security at Pima College, I would have requested a TRO from the courts ASAP. Perhaps Pima did, but it has not come out in the news yet.


37 posted on 01/09/2011 4:33:34 PM PST by Fred (Suspend All Immigration Until Unemployment is Reduced to 5%)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Fact and reality does not seem to mean anything to the Lefty Media.


38 posted on 01/09/2011 4:33:51 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: Innovative
described by friends and neighbors as a disturbed, pot-smoking loner who lived with his parents.

Sure sounds like the perfect profile of a DU'er to me.

39 posted on 01/09/2011 4:34:10 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: Innovative

That article inaccurately says that Loughner had made vague threats TO GIFFORDS. The sheriff had said elsewhere that the threats were NOT made to Giffords. Wouldn’t say who they were made to but did clarify that they were not to Giffords.

Somebody is spinning this and not worrying too much about being factually accurate in the process.


40 posted on 01/09/2011 4:56:25 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Steely Tom

Do you have a link about the sheriff having a lawyer?

The charges against Loughner claim that Judge Roll was at that event on official business; he had been informed of the event by telephone the day before, or thereabouts. The FBI being able to investigate depends on Roll NOT just deciding on the spur of the moment to “turn the corner and say hi”, as the sheriff wanted everyone to believe immediately. The sheriff acted like he knew all about Roll’s thoughts, his relationship with Giffords, what he was doing. How would he know all that? How would he know whether Roll had planned to be at that event or had just decided on the spur of the moment? How would he have even known about him “turning the corner” to attend the event? Did he know Roll’s route from the church back to his house, or what route he would take to get to Safeway?

If I was that sheriff I’d be lawyering up too, about now.


41 posted on 01/09/2011 5:02:30 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Innovative

Blame the Tea Party? It’s how some politicians roll.

This guy never had anything to do with the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, or Republicans. But that won’t stop the accusations, which are just based on post hoc reasoning.


42 posted on 01/09/2011 5:15:44 PM PST by popdonnelly (Your political opponents want you to shut up.)
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To: lacrew

“The overall tone of the political rhetoric has caused this”.

That’s cool, because the Left uses extreme, ad hominem rhetoric.


43 posted on 01/09/2011 5:17:49 PM PST by popdonnelly (Your political opponents want you to shut up.)
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To: butterdezillion

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/01/five-criminal-charges-filed-against.html

Here’s the truth. I expect some apologies forthcoming to Sarah, Beck and others pronto! /sarc


44 posted on 01/09/2011 5:27:06 PM PST by Catsrus (Have)
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To: Innovative

Because NOTHING is their fault,Their father, mother, drill SGT, teacher, up bringing, cheating girl friend, homo boy friend, ... never stops.


45 posted on 01/09/2011 5:58:05 PM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Catsrus; butterdezillion

The link to Legal Insurrection is very interesting. The attorney there went to Harvard Law school and graduated in 1984; I know this is a bit before 0-steaming pile’s time, but maybe he has connections and knows stuff.


46 posted on 01/09/2011 5:59:33 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Innovative
Doesn't matter if this wing-nut was left, right or omnidirectional.

It only matters that he was bat-sh!t nuts.

Neither the left or right should be defensive on this one.

47 posted on 01/09/2011 6:15:25 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Steely Tom

This letter is the equivalent of Monica’s blue dress. It removes all doubt. Even Holder couldn’t cover this up. If the GOP has any cajones, they’ll be hauling all these slander clowns into Congress and getting them under OATH.


48 posted on 01/09/2011 6:25:59 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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