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Focus Turns To Arizona's Gun Laws (LAT Features Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik's Anti RTC Rant Alert)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 01/10/2010 | Molly Hennessy-Fiske

Posted on 01/10/2011 1:15:40 AM PST by goldstategop

Arizona has some of the weakest gun control laws in the nation. To gun owners, those laws — which allow them to carry guns in their cars, in restaurants and other public places — are their last defense against unexpected evil. Gun control activists say the state's laws put weapons into the hands of the mentally unstable, and demand that federal officials impose tougher background checks and reinstate a ban on assault weapons.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik said the state's gun laws contributed to the shooting. He singled out the law passed last year that allows those 21 and over to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.

"We're the Tombstone of the United States of America," Dupnik said, referring to the Arizona town known for its gun-slinging past. "I have never been a proponent of letting everybody in the state carry weapons wherever they are. That's almost where we are."

He mentioned a proposed law that would allow college students to carry concealed guns on campus.

"That's the ridiculous state to where we have become," Dupnik said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 2ndsamendment; az; banglist; bradybunch; clarencewdupnik; giffords; guncontrol; jaredloughner; losangelestimes; mollyhennessyfiske; pimacounty; rtc; tucson; tucsonmassacre
It's not AZ's RTC law that led to the Tucson massacre. It's that no citizen used their gun to stop Jared Loughner cold. If anything, every one needs to have the RTC to protect their persons and property - no matter how much the Los Angeles Times disapproves of it.
1 posted on 01/10/2011 1:15:52 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
It's that no citizen used their gun to stop Jared Loughner cold

It was a gathering of Democrats... who are scared of those loud gun things.

2 posted on 01/10/2011 1:18:36 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

Loughner didn’t need a CCW. In AZ, you can carry without a permit just like in VT and AK.


3 posted on 01/10/2011 1:20:19 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

Just in case anyone forgot what the Second Amendment says.


4 posted on 01/10/2011 1:26:47 AM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: goldstategop
Loughner didn’t need a CCW. In AZ, you can carry without a permit just like in VT and AK.

No, but I doubt that distinction is responsible for his obvious mental illness.

5 posted on 01/10/2011 1:30:10 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

Agreed. You can abuse a right like he did but that’s no justification for disarming every one else. And Dupnik is an ass - he doesn’t appear to know much about the gun laws of his own state. AZ is not exactly a Wild West shooting gallery, no matter how much the MSM wants to paint that picture.


6 posted on 01/10/2011 1:33:35 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
This Clarence Duprik certainly is one. He needs to be retired.

I won't criticize any armed AZ citizen who did not draw in that crowded chaos Saturday.

I'm not a firearm owner but this must not be turned into a gun-grabbing opportunity. Arizona does not need to become like CA.

7 posted on 01/10/2011 1:47:34 AM PST by newzjunkey (Well wishes to all the families affected by the Tucson shooting.)
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It won’t. There’s nothing wrong with AZ’s gun laws that need fixing - except giving college students the same RTC rights as all other Arizonans.


8 posted on 01/10/2011 1:54:06 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Gee, Loughner seems to have lied when he checked some of the answers on his 4473.


9 posted on 01/10/2011 2:10:01 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: sockmonkey

That was entirely truthful at the time.

We can’t guess what people will do. In a free society, you always take a risk that a person will decide to harm others. Nothing can be done about it, unless we want to take away everyone’s freedoms.


10 posted on 01/10/2011 2:48:31 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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New York City has had the Sullivan Act since 1911. That certainly has done a lot to reduce murders and eliminate guns in 90 years. NOT!

A number of NYC gangs would/can still make a somewhat effective gun from a cap pistol. I will refrain from describing how, at this time. Are we to ban cap pistols?

BTW, NYC used to offer (I don’t know if it is still being done a 10 cent bounty for dead rats. I guess you were supposed to convince them to surrender and then beat them to death./s


11 posted on 01/10/2011 3:08:39 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: goldstategop
They already have too many laws on the book but the one I found interesting in this case for Arizona. This is why the sheriff is rightfully lawyered up. He made previous threats and was advised to seek mental help.

13-3101. Definitions

7. “Prohibited possessor” means any person:

(a) Who has been found to constitute a danger to himself or to others or to be persistently or acutely disabled or gravely disabled pursuant to court order under section 36-540, and whose right to possess a firearm has not been restored pursuant to section 13-925.

12 posted on 01/10/2011 3:41:56 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: goldstategop
OK, this was predictable. Shooter turns out to be a leftist. Lefties change mantra to "gun control".

FAIL.


13 posted on 01/10/2011 3:58:55 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: goldstategop

Seems like the Sheriff is to blame here and was derelict in his duty by letting the lefty Psycho have a gun in the first place.


14 posted on 01/10/2011 4:41:33 AM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: Cheetahcat
Seems like the Sheriff is to blame here and was derelict in his duty by letting the lefty Psycho have a gun in the first place.

No, AZ has Constitutional Carry. As some have already pointed out, that's the price we pay to live in a free society.

Beats the alternative.

15 posted on 01/10/2011 5:46:53 AM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: goldstategop

LA Times = Toilet Paper


16 posted on 01/10/2011 6:54:47 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan......A Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: Dan Nunn

“No, AZ has Constitutional Carry. As some have already pointed out, that’s the price we pay to live in a free society.

Beats the alternative.”

Yes but he was allowed to buy the gun,who OKed the paperwork?


17 posted on 01/10/2011 8:07:23 AM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: goldstategop

Rep Giffords was a staunch supporter of 2A. That point should be made again and again.


18 posted on 01/10/2011 8:37:48 AM PST by Daffynition ( Live EACH DAY as if it were your last, but EXPECT that there still may be a tomorrow.)
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To: goldstategop

The Sherrif is responsible for failure. Like a good Dem he goes on the attack, instead of addressing the failure.

Question: Was he ever requested to provide security for Giffords public meetings? Is there a straight yes or no answer ?

What about it Dupnik???


19 posted on 01/10/2011 8:49:43 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com2009/05/brack_obama_the _quintessentia_1.html)
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I read elsewhere that she was rated D by GOA and D+ by NRA.


20 posted on 01/10/2011 9:23:03 AM PST by rahbert
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To: Cheetahcat

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?ID=82


21 posted on 01/10/2011 2:59:32 PM PST by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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http://www.nraila.org/Issues/factsheets/read.aspx?ID=82";

Hey thanks!


22 posted on 01/10/2011 4:20:03 PM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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Not the Sheriff. And what in his record would have prevented him from purchasing one?


23 posted on 01/10/2011 4:36:46 PM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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And what in his record would have prevented him from purchasing one?

Well, he was thrown off the Community College campus by campus cops, and refused reentry until he produced a doctor's report. That's a type of Restraining Order, and if it were properly reported, would have prevented him from buying the Glock.

If the laws on the books were properly enforced, there would not be a demand for new laws now.

24 posted on 01/10/2011 4:43:26 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (We conservatives will always lose elections as long as we allow the MSM to choose our candidates.)
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Well, he was thrown off the Community College campus by campus cops, and refused reentry until he produced a doctor's report. That's a type of Restraining Order

Sounds like he was forced off the property. Not a court ordered restraining order.

I know you want to blame this on somebody or something, but sometimes people slip through the cracks and their first real incident is a big one. Did he maybe lie about smoking marijuana on his ATF app? Maybe. But I don't think we can surmise anything else. We can't start throwing odd people into mental hospitals or half of us on FR would be there for the way we think.

It's the inherent risk in a free society. The solution? Arm yourself.

25 posted on 01/10/2011 6:38:44 PM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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“Not the Sheriff. And what in his record would have prevented him from purchasing one?”

That drunken Pinko worthless sheriff did not investigate the threats that Whack Job was making,He needs fired and sued.


26 posted on 01/10/2011 6:39:33 PM PST by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: Dan Nunn

Good solution for me.


27 posted on 01/10/2011 8:59:23 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (We conservatives will always lose elections as long as we allow the MSM to choose our candidates.)
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To: Cementjungle

Were guns allowed at this event?


28 posted on 01/10/2011 9:04:47 PM PST by BOBWADE
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