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HMS Nightclub: Pride of the Fleet may become a Chinese disco
The Daily Mail, UK ^ | 8th January 2011

Posted on 01/10/2011 10:51:21 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

HMS Nightclub: Pride of the Fleet may become a Chinese disco

By Daily Mail Reporter

Last updated at 12:44 AM on 8th January 2011

Nearly 30 years ago she was at the heart of the Royal Navy task force that drove the Argentine army from the Falkland Islands.

Harrier jets roared from the flight deck of HMS Invincible to wrest control of the skies from the invaders’ Mirage fighters.

Soon, however, the vast hanger of the aircraft carrier that once echoed to the clatter of planes is being rearmed for their next sortie, may well be throbbing to the beat of a sound system.

A Chinese restaurant tycoon wants to turn the venerable warship into a vast nightclub.

Kin Bong Lam, chairman of the Wing Wah Chinese restaurant empire, has submitted a £5million bid to the Ministry of Defence for Invincible.

The carrier, once flagship of the British fleet, is currently languishing in Portsmouth’s dockyard with her engines stripped out and propellers lying on deck.

Stripped of parts to keep her sister ships at sea, the ship was decommissioned in 2005 and is now up for sale.

Mr Lam said he wants to buy the Invincible through his South China company Sunway Yachts and move her to China for renovation.

The Birmingham-based tycoon said: ‘The MoD has said that it cannot be used for military purposes but I do think we can make good use of the vessel without it being scrapped.

‘I am sure that the Royal Navy will be very proud if we can create something that will be of use for people in the future.

‘The Invincible has a very distinguished history.’

He said Invincible would moved to China for conversion. He was also considering turning the

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: carrier; china; greatbritain; hmsinvincible; repost; uk

Cheers: Invincible being waved off in Portsmouth as it heads to the Falklands War

Future: HMS Invincible's interior could end up like this if the MoD give the go-ahead

1 posted on 01/10/2011 10:51:28 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Not the best ending for a warship with battle honors ... but on the plus side it does send a message about how the UK is responsibly dealing with its debt.
2 posted on 01/10/2011 10:56:04 AM PST by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Degrading


3 posted on 01/10/2011 10:56:18 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 720 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

And I’m sure that the PLA wouldn’t mind taking a look at the design of this ship to assist their own Carrier program. There may not be any direct military use left in the ship, but the very layout of the ship could give clues that would prove beneficial to a nation with no carrier experience at all.

I say sell it to them and have it sink on the way there.


4 posted on 01/10/2011 10:56:31 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: agere_contra

Not saying that dealing with public debt by almost any means necessary isn’t a good thing, but I do believe there are other ways to go about lowering the debt than this.


5 posted on 01/10/2011 10:57:56 AM PST by paladin1_dcs
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To: sukhoi-30mki

hahahahaa ,,,words fail me.


6 posted on 01/10/2011 11:00:56 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It won’t happen. This is the same means that the ChiComs used when they acquired the Soviet Varyag, which they said would be turned into a casino.

Set up a front to buy the hulk for some seemingly inocuous purpose, haul it to the Dalian shipyards, and then turn it back into an operational carrier. That’s what they are up to.

The Brits are fools if they fall for this.


7 posted on 01/10/2011 11:02:57 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: paladin1_dcs
British Carrier gets Down,

goes Down

8 posted on 01/10/2011 11:03:21 AM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Set up a front to buy the hulk for some seemingly inocuous purpose, haul it to the Dalian shipyards, and then turn it back into an operational carrier

To do that they'd also have to build a VTOL aircraft which (in the form of the Harier) was the only plane capable of operating from an Invincible-class carrier (no catapults!)

9 posted on 01/10/2011 11:10:56 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: sukhoi-30mki; reaganaut; BearRepublic81

Prince William should buy it (on credit) and invade Pakistan. The title, “Empress of India,” would be a lovely wedding present to his future bride.


10 posted on 01/10/2011 11:13:14 AM PST by mrreaganaut (Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Invincible becoming a disco? Riiight! And the Varyag is currently a casino.


11 posted on 01/10/2011 11:14:11 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: Winniesboy

Maybe the return of the Yak-41 Freesytle?


12 posted on 01/10/2011 11:16:22 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’m rooting for the US to sell India either the Kennedy or the Nimitz.

1) It would make the Chinese drop a load in their trou.
2) The Indians are good at reverse engineering, so would soon have their own carriers based on those models, with improvements.

The problem with carriers is that you need strong propulsion, very strong stabilization, and a very competent crew to operate these. Then on top of that, you need a very competent command crew, and a very competent deck/flight crew.

Oh, yes, and something the Japanese didn’t have, and cost them plenty, very, very competent damage control.

The US has a 90 year lead on this. Technically speaking, if Japan wanted to, it could build nearly a Nimitz class aircraft carrier and be able to operate it, before either India or China could do so.

Something that China should be very careful about.


13 posted on 01/10/2011 11:17:48 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bullcrap. They said they wanted the Russki carrier for an amusement park. She doesn’t look much like an amusement park now ...


14 posted on 01/10/2011 11:18:43 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Winniesboy; All
VARYAG TRANSFORMATION INTO AN OPERATIONAL PLAN AIRCRAFT CARRIER


15 posted on 01/10/2011 11:18:54 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Instead of Chinese dancing on her.... It would be more appropriate to turn the HMS Invincible into a
bunch of 500 pounders that can “dance” on the Chinese.

They could soon be needed for the defense of Australia.


16 posted on 01/10/2011 11:22:23 AM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
You are exactly right. They have about as much intention of making this a disco as they had to make the Varyag a casino. It will be refitted as a military ship of some sort or another.
17 posted on 01/10/2011 11:22:58 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“Technically speaking, if Japan wanted to, it could build nearly a Nimitz class aircraft carrier and be able to operate it, before either India or China could do so”
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Yep. And I was told they (Japan) have some prior experience with Naval Aviation.


18 posted on 01/10/2011 11:25:16 AM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

And so it goes for a civilization in decline. The rising power buys your once treasured items, and turns them into trinkets and toys.

How long before the Enterprise is sold to make a Chinese casino?


19 posted on 01/10/2011 11:31:56 AM PST by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Not a good idea to let the Chinese have another carrier to study and then refit and redeploy like they’re doing with that Soviet carrier that was also supposed to become just a ‘hotel’ when the Chinese bought it. Better the carrier should be sent to the bottom somewhere than to see her put to sea again with a ChiCom flag on her.


20 posted on 01/10/2011 11:35:32 AM PST by MeganC (January 20, 2013 - President Sarah Palin)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The question is whether countries like India and Japan have enough manpower to effectively utilise ships of the Nimitz/Kennedy class. There’s a reason why only the USN builds such ships. The Russian Admiral Kuznetsov, which is the largest non-US carrier has a complement of about 2000, which is less than half the number of men found on a Nimitz class ship.

Then of course there’s the need for plenty of escort and replenishment vessels. You can’t build and deploy those within a short period.


21 posted on 01/10/2011 11:39:06 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I went on board the Invincible in the late ‘90s. The O club on that ship was spectacular.


22 posted on 01/10/2011 11:39:25 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

“Yep. And I was told they (Japan) have some prior experience with Naval Aviation.”

They do, but they crashed a lot of planes.


23 posted on 01/10/2011 11:40:18 AM PST by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“Oh, yes, and something the Japanese didn’t have, and cost them plenty, very, very competent damage control.”

That’s the Achilles Heel for a ChiCom fleet is damage control. They’re unable to compose damage control strategies because such things are considered ‘defeatist’, ‘counter-revolutionary’, and they’re also considered a recognition of foreign military superiority. Very short political and military careers are in store for Chinese who advance the ideas of damage control.


24 posted on 01/10/2011 11:41:28 AM PST by MeganC (Jared Loughner - registered Democrat)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

If it weren’t for the Falklands war, the Invincible would now be flying an Australian flag.

http://www.harrier.org.uk/history/history_SHARdownunder.htm


25 posted on 01/10/2011 11:41:43 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: stuartcr

Sorry, it was the late ‘70s or early ‘80s.


26 posted on 01/10/2011 11:43:35 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

And England itself is going to turn itself into a Disney Theme-Park: Come visit England-Land!

Thanks Labour!


27 posted on 01/10/2011 11:45:12 AM PST by PGR88
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To: MeganC

And how exactly can we be sure that the Chinese aren’t focussing on damage control and increased safety??? That was probably the case till probably during the Cultural revolution and most older Chinese ships and it is evident in the safety record of some of their obsolete subs.

It doesn’t take much common sense to think they would employ standard safety measures on all their new ships. For the simple reason that they are damn expensive. If they were still obsessed with revolutionary warfare, they wouldn’t be streamlining their infantry.


28 posted on 01/10/2011 11:47:05 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: paladin1_dcs
And I’m sure that the PLA wouldn’t mind taking a look at the design of this ship to assist their own Carrier program. There may not be any direct military use left in the ship, but the very layout of the ship could give clues that would prove beneficial to a nation with no carrier experience at all.

Bingo!

29 posted on 01/10/2011 12:11:46 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: brownsfan

How much you wanna bet that the Japanese already have some basic plans for a carrier. And pilots have already made simulated flights. The Japanese are still far ahead of the Chinese in terms of technology, and it would not surprise me about how fast the Japanese get back up to speed.


30 posted on 01/10/2011 12:21:08 PM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes.)
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To: agere_contra

Yea, right, and the Russian carrier that’s just getting ready for sea trials, was going to be a floating casino.

Huh, huh..... Sure.


31 posted on 01/10/2011 12:23:16 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: paladin1_dcs

Agreed


32 posted on 01/10/2011 12:27:17 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If memory serves a Chinese businessman bought the Varyag from Russia, claiming he was going to make a casino out of it. Now they want to buy Invincible to make a disco?


33 posted on 01/10/2011 12:28:49 PM PST by K-Stater
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