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Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms Units
Military.com ^ | January 07, 2011 | Bryant Jordan

Posted on 01/10/2011 12:11:53 PM PST by triumphant values

The Army is studying whether to open combat arms units to female Soldiers, the Army's top officer said Jan. 6.

"We're looking at revising the policy," Gen. George W. Casey Jr. told a breakfast gathering of the Association of the U.S. Army in Arlington, Va. "We've had some work going on for a while, and that'll double back up to the secretary, I would think, in the next couple of months." Women are currently barred from infantry, armor and Special Forces branches, Casey said.

He did not say whether the Army is considering opening up all three areas to women, but he did say the study looked at the possibility of women in infantry.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: army; combat; diversity; feminism; liberalism; militaryreadiness; militarywomen; women
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1 posted on 01/10/2011 12:12:00 PM PST by triumphant values
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To: triumphant values

I believe Israel already tried that with very mixed success, if any.


2 posted on 01/10/2011 12:14:35 PM PST by Parmy
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To: triumphant values

It is a dream and we will all wake up from it.


3 posted on 01/10/2011 12:14:35 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Because the left is ugly and the right is beautiful.)
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To: triumphant values

Only if they have to pass the male PT test, have their own, all-female units, and most importanly, are subject to the SAME draft that men are.


4 posted on 01/10/2011 12:15:00 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: triumphant values

No and hell no


5 posted on 01/10/2011 12:15:40 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: triumphant values

Bring on the All-American 1st Cavalry Amazon Battalion.


6 posted on 01/10/2011 12:18:18 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Parmy
I believe Israel already tried that with very mixed success, if any.

A lot of liberal things have already been tried all over the world and here with mixed success, if any. It doesn't slow them down a bit.

If anything, they usually double down.

7 posted on 01/10/2011 12:18:36 PM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: triumphant values

Who didn’t see this coming. The Liberal’s incremental march to fundamentally change western society marches on.


8 posted on 01/10/2011 12:19:18 PM PST by Obadiah (BHO -- out the door in 4!)
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To: triumphant values

The women should go well with gays.


9 posted on 01/10/2011 12:19:37 PM PST by pallis
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To: triumphant values

Casey is big on diversity, first with muslims and now women in combat.


10 posted on 01/10/2011 12:20:28 PM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: triumphant values
Hitler recruited children for the final defense of Berlin. The USSR had some women in combat units. So I guess we are stooping to the level of Communists and Nazi's in the depths of a world war.

I tell you, the repeal of DADT didn't just open the flood gates, it removed them forever. Get ready for more weirdness..

11 posted on 01/10/2011 12:21:08 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: pallis

Well, with the gays along the women’s combat hairdos will always look fabulous.


12 posted on 01/10/2011 12:21:46 PM PST by Argus
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Only if they have to pass the male PT test

Just modify the test. They've got that figured out. This has already been done in the US Navy to get women on ships. I've got a neighbor who is an old sea dog and he was in the Navy when women began to serve on ships. He told me that they couldn't qualify for fire fighting duty (a big deal in US Navy) due to not being able to pass strength test. So they just modified test (equivalent of dumbing down) so almost all women could pass.

Can some of you ex Navy guys verify this? This is coming from a neighbor and I haven't have the time to check this out but it sounds logical.
13 posted on 01/10/2011 12:22:52 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: triumphant values

Not a good idea.


14 posted on 01/10/2011 12:24:08 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: triumphant values

I don’t know about the Army but I was in The Marine Corps Infantry and I can NOT imagine women in the Infantry. The runs the humps the constant harassment the B.S.


15 posted on 01/10/2011 12:24:25 PM PST by BBell
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To: truthguy

I got out just before the split tail invasion.


16 posted on 01/10/2011 12:24:57 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dfwgator
"Bring on the All-American 1st Cavalry Amazon Battalion."

Cavalry units have squadrons, not battalions ;-)

17 posted on 01/10/2011 12:25:40 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: triumphant values
Think female POWs.

Those women who were captured in the last 2 gulf wars did not fare too well in captivity.

18 posted on 01/10/2011 12:25:43 PM PST by AU72
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To: truthguy

The left wants to make the militay just another civilian jobs program.

Maybe next we’ll have ADA wheelchair ramps for
M-1 Abrams crew to get in the tank and a redesign of some man portable anti-tank weapons so midgets can use them,too.


19 posted on 01/10/2011 12:26:19 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: jazusamo
Casey is big on diversity, first with muslims and now women in combat.

Just between me and you(I don't want a lot of other Freepers to read this and flame down on me), but the upper echelon of officers in the military have been pretty liberal and into social experimentation inside the armed forces since the 1950s.

20 posted on 01/10/2011 12:26:26 PM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: BBell
The runs the humps the constant harassment the B.S.

Hey Grunt, you try that one again?

21 posted on 01/10/2011 12:26:37 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: AU72

Meg Ryan needs more BS movie roles.


22 posted on 01/10/2011 12:28:26 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: truthguy

Sounds reasonable. My son is a volunteer firefighter, big, strong and athletic, and he has some trouble handling the hoses. I’ve seen three firefighters together struggling with the hose - part of it is strength and part is technique and experience.

Of course the department also has a woman who is 4’10, and a fat guy who weighs more than 300 lb, and it’s for sure they aren’t doing all the same job physically.


23 posted on 01/10/2011 12:30:24 PM PST by heartwood
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To: triumphant values

This is all BS. They already have women in combat arms. They attend Sapper, Airborne, and other combat training programs and the military places them in a “non-combat” MOS but then places them in combat roles.


24 posted on 01/10/2011 12:30:57 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: heartwood

logistics factors in to favor the womynfolk.

they get to come out of the field for hygienic reasons during certain times of the month. guys are left out for weeks on end withou access to showers.

celebrate diversity.


25 posted on 01/10/2011 12:32:28 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: pallis

Maybe that is why this is being considered. I would bet most women would not have a problem serving with a gay man. When the men on the front lines decide not to re-up they can fill those spots with women.


26 posted on 01/10/2011 12:34:13 PM PST by panthermom
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To: central_va

Try what again?


27 posted on 01/10/2011 12:38:03 PM PST by BBell
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To: triumphant values

Cultural marxism—kill all traditional values....that men should protect the woman. Redefine the nature of man and woman and the terms. (Natural Law Theory —what our Constitution is based on is being made worthless). Natural Law Theory is the basis of common sense. Marxist throw out common sense. They twist everything, and destroy logic.

They are out to destroy family—the loyalty and individualism and independence the family unit creates is their nemesis and with Christianity, has to be destroyed for their utopia.

Redefine in the minds of children what men and woman can do....put the images of women in combat—out of the home—away from nurturing infants. Put men in makeup, earrings, as mommies.....Create a new paradigm for the next generation so they won’t want to do the “traditional” roles—it will be the “unnatural” for women to nurture children, unnatural for men to be loyal to their wives and help support and raise children (oh, they already killed that “idea” in boy’s heads) Now they are trying to homosexualize the boys and put them into tutus. Take all competition out of schools. Demonize healthy male attachments and make it into a sexual thing.

They used feminism to destroy children’s emotional and physical well being so that government could shape the worldview and children are emotionally made to have little self-worth (their own mommy had no time for them) and so they are easily manipulated by everyone’s ideas—(like that shooter in AZ.)

Natural Law Theory of thousands of years of philosophy and the arrogant Marxists are wrong. Happiness can never be attained by denying Natural Law and God’s Laws. Never. Founders understood that—that is why happiness and the nature of man and God’s laws are in our Founding documents.

Defying Natural Law leads to dysfunction and unhappiness and meaninglessness. It is the Culture of Death and nihilism....one of atheism and godlessness that they are forcing onto our culture—one that will eventually allow only “groupthink”—one way to think—like they are forcing on the military with their repeal of DADT. Redefining Natural Law so that it becomes meaningless and no longer the basis of our laws and thinking (no common sense and logic).
Here is how it happened through the courts.....it is intentional for a total transformation into a godless hell-hole.
http://org.law.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/articles/RJLR_3_1_1.pdf


28 posted on 01/10/2011 12:38:11 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: Parmy

10 years ago, I would have guaranteed that liberals wanted it because they worshiped Feminism. But now they don’t want to offend Muslims.


29 posted on 01/10/2011 12:41:25 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: triumphant values

I don’t have a problem with this if:

1. They complete and pass the same, unmodified, physical fitness tests as their male counterparts

2.Are willing to accept the horrors associated with being a female POW

Most will fail at #1


30 posted on 01/10/2011 12:42:16 PM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: truthguy
Only if they have to pass the male PT test...So they just modified test (equivalent of dumbing down) so almost all women could pass.

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I believe the Army also dumbed down the beret that used to be a symbol of honor that had to be earned. Now it is issued like popcorn to all it appears. Something to do with self-esteem.

Same for firefighters and law enforement. PT standards lowered to show us women are equals. sarc/

31 posted on 01/10/2011 12:42:37 PM PST by Citizen X_Area 51 (Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it. -- Mark Twain)
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To: triumphant values

Lets destroy the real army so that Obama can have his ‘citizen’ army! </s>


32 posted on 01/10/2011 12:46:38 PM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Cisco Nix

Women helped Obama get elected. Let em fight.


33 posted on 01/10/2011 12:52:20 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: triumphant values

Let’s see, during alerts I used to walk down to the motor pool carrying two duffel bags, two M240 machine guns, and two barrels for the M2 .50 cal machine gun. I weighed all of 138 pounds.

Little girls will be less than useless, they’ll be a liability.


34 posted on 01/10/2011 12:55:57 PM PST by glorgau
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To: WOBBLY BOB

And you know that the standards for PT and other things are lower for the girls. This has nothing to do with anything other than advancing the leftist agenda by destroying the last conservative institution we have. That was the purpose of DADT, too.


35 posted on 01/10/2011 1:04:01 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Joe 6-pack
"Bring on the All-American 1st Cavalry Amazon Battalion." Cavalry units have squadrons, not battalions ;-)

Tell that to Rush Limbaugh.

36 posted on 01/10/2011 1:05:09 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: triumphant values

I won’t flame you. You can’t swing a dead cat by the tail at the Pentagon without hitting an amoral careerist.


37 posted on 01/10/2011 1:08:05 PM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: triumphant values

NTSA. Women are already retarding good order and discipline in the military. I’m sure giving Marines access to booty in the middle of a firefight is just the thing to raise moral /s


38 posted on 01/10/2011 1:10:29 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: truthguy

PT is not the issue. Many people on ships (Chiefs especially) couldn’t pass a PT test, but you don’t want to lose them because of all their experience on how stuff gets done.

It boils down to this - nobody wants to look at this issue from the aspect of actually conducting combat. In the Navy you may have to be at sea for a long time. On a sub, it is so much worse than that. Women and being deployed is simply a stupid idea, harder on the families of sailors than on the sailors themselves.

On a sub, you have to ask whether you have the ability to subdivide what precious little personal privacy there is, especially for enlisted. Is there enough for Lesbian, Gay, Transexual, Bisexual, Heterosexuals, and Women to share with your average Male?

I guess there is if you’re willing to go without weapon systems, radar, main prop, and the galley.

We can’t get rid of this administration fast enough. The amount of damage in the period of time is breathtaking.


39 posted on 01/10/2011 1:16:01 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: BBell

Well, let me interject a bit of a disclaimer to a lot of the posts here.

My daughter was (and is) a musician. After graduating with high honors from a very good mid-western music school (with a degree in music performance no less), she went to BU and got degrees in performance and education. She then ran the secondary winds program at a place called Tanglewood, in MA, for several years, among other things forming her own quintet that performed often in MA.

At the age of 30 (!), she decided to enroll in a much tougher school, sometimes jokingly called the “University of Parris Island”.

She is now a Staff Sergeant (select) in the USMC. Based in Virginia.

I suspect she did this because of a sense of competition with her younger brother, who is a USAF Major, has already flown many combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, and will be going back there in a few weeks, I have no other children.

Except for a few physical requirements, she basically had to do the same stuff the men did (rifle qual, pistol qual (ground security force), MCMAP).

I would not want her in the “front lines” in Afghanistan (whatever those are)
but based here (VA) she is quite ready to put down her instrument and pick up her M9, M16, shotgun or whatever, and defend her base (kind of like the band members, along with some cooks and others, who fought off a Japanese attack during Guadalcanal) .

(The joke in our family is that if they go into a rough bar, it will be my daughter who gets my son out of a jam... not the other way around.)

The rules of war have changed with Islamic terrorism (Maj Nidal Hassan anyone?). The reason why we can send more men over there is because we have people like my daughter, be they typists, musicians, or whatever, who can kill terrorists who might (amazed it hasn’t happened so far) attack a base here.

If that happens, they won’t have to carry men very far away... it will be over, one way or another, in the blink of an eye.

Just my two cents, and with all respect to those who have posted here.


40 posted on 01/10/2011 1:24:36 PM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: glorgau

All women soldiers are “little girls”?


41 posted on 01/10/2011 1:35:00 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: achilles2000

all things being equal, if they’re not subject to the draft, they’re “equal” in name only.

will the female Rangers wear pink berets?


42 posted on 01/10/2011 1:35:18 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: triumphant values
Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms Units

They can serve right next to the males who think they are women.


43 posted on 01/10/2011 1:41:31 PM PST by Iron Munro (When a society loses its memory, it descends inevitably into dementia - Mark Steyn)
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To: Cisco Nix

The dream may just turn into a social nightmare.


44 posted on 01/10/2011 1:59:30 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Sigurdrifta
If females are allowed in infantry, armor, and special ops MOS's it will be a disaster. Photobucket Photobucket
45 posted on 01/10/2011 2:03:39 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: dfwgator

Take me to their leader.

46 posted on 01/10/2011 2:11:39 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

Whole Lotta Rosie.


47 posted on 01/10/2011 2:16:53 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: bushpilot1

I really don’t think that my daughter would be in the scenarios depicted with your pictures (of course, those Marine bandsmen on Guadalcanal did not think so either).

BTW, thanks for thanking me for the service of my two children to this country (sarcasm obvious).


48 posted on 01/10/2011 2:21:50 PM PST by Sigurdrifta
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To: Sigurdrifta

I am a retired army senior NCO who has been in sustained combat so brutal you cannot imagine. Take a swipe at me with your sarcasm if it elates you.

This always works..there is a heavy safe or desk that needs to be moved up a flight of stairs. Who are you going to get to move that desk. Do you get two females or two men. Heck a
female NCO will grab two males.

Men have been taking up the slack for females in the military since this liberal experiment began.

More men will get killed if females are allowed in the combat arms.


49 posted on 01/10/2011 3:25:30 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: triumphant values

What? Did we run out of men? Then why haven’t I been drafted back in?


50 posted on 01/10/2011 3:26:45 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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