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Exclusive: Loughner Friend Explains Alleged Gunman's Grudge Against Giffords
Mother Jones ^ | Jan. 10, 2011 | Nick Baumann

Posted on 01/10/2011 3:40:55 PM PST by ruination

At 2:00 a.m. on Saturday—about eight hours before he allegedly killed six people and wounded 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), in Tucson—Jared Lee Loughner phoned an old and close friend with whom he had gone to high school and college. The friend, Bryce Tierney, was up late watching TV, but he didn't answer the call. When he later checked his voice mail, he heard a simple message from Loughner: "Hey man, it's Jared. Me and you had good times. Peace out. Later."

That was it. But later in the day, when Tierney first heard about the Tucson massacre, he had a sickening feeling: "They hadn't released the name, but I said, 'Holy shit, I think it's Jared that did it.'" Tierney tells Mother Jones in an exclusive interview that Loughner held a years-long grudge against Giffords and had repeatedly derided her as a "fake." Loughner's animus toward Giffords intensified after he attended one of her campaign events and she did not, in his view, sufficiently answer a question he had posed, Tierney says. He also describes Loughner as being obsessed with "lucid dreaming"—that is, the idea that conscious dreams are an alternative reality that a person can inhabit and control—and says Loughner became "more interested in this world than our reality." Tierney adds, "I saw his dream journal once. That's the golden piece of evidence. You want to know what goes on in Jared Loughner's mind, there's a dream journal that will tell you everything."

(Excerpt) Read more at motherjones.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; brycetierney; dup; duplicate; duplicatethread; gabriellegiffords; giffords; inception; jaredloughner; loughner; motherjones
A little insight into Loughner by an "old and close friend" who received a phone message from the shooter hours before the incident.
1 posted on 01/10/2011 3:41:02 PM PST by ruination
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To: ruination

The guy is deranged but his unanswered question is a good one:

The question was, ‘What is government if words have no meaning?’”


2 posted on 01/10/2011 3:45:04 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: ruination

Must have watch a little to much of the movie “Inception”, and better yet it made sense to him. lol


3 posted on 01/10/2011 3:45:50 PM PST by annieokie
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To: ruination

So who has the dream journal?


4 posted on 01/10/2011 3:46:52 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: ruination
I bet this idiot believed, heart and soul, in inception.

IMHO, he was stark, raving mad, a real loon...but also capable of planning and carrying out such a crime. It is really amazing that he as as accurate and effective as he was while rapid firing that glock in the crowd.

We know he bought it relatively recently...was he training at home...on a range...dod he have some one he wnet shooting with?

He was also very left leaning and that's something that will only be heard here, on Fox to some extent, Hannity and Rush and the like. Will be ignored by the admin and by the DNC as they rush to not let this crisis go to waste and try and foist more of their liberal/leftist ideology on all of us.

5 posted on 01/10/2011 3:49:28 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: ruination

I hope not to offend anyone, but what kind of dink man keeps a dream journal? Between working a job, chasing skirt, and doing normal stuff any 22 yr old is doing, keeping a dream journal by itself is problematic.


6 posted on 01/10/2011 3:50:37 PM PST by blackdog
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To: blackdog

An extremely, mentally disturbed “dink man” does.


7 posted on 01/10/2011 3:53:03 PM PST by Neets
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To: ez
So who has the dream journal?

Pippi Long-stocking, Rainbow Brite, Fairies, 12 year old girls.....

8 posted on 01/10/2011 3:53:42 PM PST by jaz.357 (It is what it is,at the end of the day. At the end of the day, it is what it is.)
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To: blackdog

My son is 23 years old and you are correct. He’s working, chasing skirt and playing video games.


9 posted on 01/10/2011 3:55:50 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!)
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To: Raycpa

Not a bad question at all, but one any politician would be unable to answer truthfully.

What I don’t get about the left is their worshiping of the government. It is a man made institution made of people, some of whom are good, some bad. In fact, they tend to despise churches, which are pretty close to the same thing. Not all churches will be “run” by Christ.

Government has never been the answer to man’s need for meaning.


10 posted on 01/10/2011 3:56:22 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Raycpa

The question was, ‘What is government if words have no meaning?’”


Rush quoted this ‘What if words have no meaning?’ today?

Which is the quote?


11 posted on 01/10/2011 4:02:58 PM PST by txhurl
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To: alice_in_bubbaland
What? No skull shrine in the yard?

I make it my business to stay up on what my children are doing. Especially so if they are living at home or on my dime. Sure I let them make their own mistakes, but I determine the cut-off from needed mistakes to gain experiences versus those with looming consequences.

Stuff like buying guns, smoking dope, making death threats, and getting kicked out of community college are pretty good examples.

What parent could be so disconnected from what their kid has been up to?

12 posted on 01/10/2011 4:15:11 PM PST by blackdog
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

Mine’s 36 and he’s still doing that. :)


13 posted on 01/10/2011 4:25:16 PM PST by abigailsmybaby ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we'll bring a gun". BHO)
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To: ruination

“Peace out”

Isn’t that a phrase used pretty much exclusively by liberals? Or am I way off base on that? I’ve seen Geraldo Rivera sign off with it many times.


14 posted on 01/10/2011 4:27:30 PM PST by FreedomForce (A conservative 2012)
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To: blackdog

Right here in the SF Bay Area there are actually high schools in which teachers in certain classes including psychology actually require their students to keep a dream journal.

...then again...what are diaries in part?

=8-)


15 posted on 01/10/2011 4:32:55 PM PST by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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To: blackdog
What parent could be so disconnected from what their kid has been up to?

Is this really all that unusual? Really? Aren't most parents busy doing their "own thing" and too busy to have much idea of what their kids are up to?

I'm serious. Isn't that the new norm? Two working parents and the kids are left to pretty much fend for themselves. It certainly is the case when I look around.

16 posted on 01/10/2011 4:35:51 PM PST by FourPeas (From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Ja 3:10)
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To: ruination

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. Very telling that the ‘friend’ spilled his guts to Mother Jones.
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17 posted on 01/10/2011 4:40:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: =8 mrrabbit 8=

His dream journal is a journal of his delusions, not dreams while sleeping. The illiterate are those that do not have “lucid dreams” aka delusions.


18 posted on 01/10/2011 4:48:16 PM PST by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: editor-surveyor

I wouldn’t be surprised if this “friend” is his drug supplier; thus the “He was clean” statement to cover his butt so that he doesn’t get caught in the fallout.


19 posted on 01/10/2011 4:50:30 PM PST by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: Jeff Head

>> “IMHO, he was stark, raving mad, a real loon...but also capable of planning and carrying out such a crime.” <<

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That is what is wrong with the standard “insanity” defense. Insane people commit crimes all the time with full knowledge of what they are doing, and what the logical consequences are.
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20 posted on 01/10/2011 4:53:08 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: publana

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Nahhh...

It was his school counsellor....


21 posted on 01/10/2011 4:54:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Raycpa

Liberalism is a MENTAL DISORDER!! He’s a DEMOCRAT.


22 posted on 01/10/2011 4:58:52 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: publana

And you determined that how? You were privy to his journal/diary?

=8-)


23 posted on 01/10/2011 5:12:17 PM PST by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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To: FreedomForce

It’s just a young person’s way of saying bye. My kids are not liberals and they use the phrase.

I’ve never heard anyone over 30 say it...except a jerk trying to act cool, like “Jerry Rivers”. :)


24 posted on 01/10/2011 5:41:21 PM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!)
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To: publana

From listening to an interview of the guy on FOXNEWs today.


25 posted on 01/10/2011 5:45:38 PM PST by publana (Time to go Galt.)
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To: annieokie

We watched that movie last night. When I heard about his “lucid dream” fantasy today on the radio, that was the first thing I thought.


26 posted on 01/10/2011 6:23:09 PM PST by TStro
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To: ruination

The entire article was informative. Thanks for posting it.

Near the end of the article, some statements stand out.
1)The former friend says he thinks the killer did it to “promote chaos”. Now, who else has promoting chaos as a goal, a way to make their commie dreams come true? Ayers and Obama and the rest of them. It’s part of the Cloward-Piven strategy to destroy America.( someone will correct the spelling of C-Piven if that is wrong)
2)The character “The Joker” is mentioned, and how the Joker loved to do very bad things just to do them and screw things up. We all know how the Joker is tied to Hussein. And he also seems to have a penchant for screwing things up and enjoying it.

Those 2 things just jumped out of the article. Well, that and the disturbing mugshot of the perp. Left wing moonbat that he is.


27 posted on 01/10/2011 7:13:48 PM PST by TheConservativeParty (Read my lipstick. "No More RINOs!")
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To: editor-surveyor
Oh, he knew it was wrong, and he pre-meditated it. Insane like a mad dog...and the same thing needs to be done with him.

But a lefty loon too. IMHO, no doubt about that.

Problem is, all leftists, marxists, socialists, statists, etc. are afflicted with the same. They just go about the abject control a little differently. But in the end it boils down to the same thing. Do as we say and fall under our control...or die.

28 posted on 01/10/2011 7:31:19 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

>> “Do as we say and fall under our control...or die.” <<

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Yes, in a nutshell, that is where we’ve arrived as a nation.
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29 posted on 01/10/2011 7:44:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: TStro
And don't tell me you understood it? lol.

While the idea that one can plant IDEA's they want, to the right person, and let it seed, then it will/may become a reality. It would be impossible to reach into someones dreams to the 4/5th layers (I supppose that is what I got),

People, it was not worth the money spent on it, that is only if you also understood the "Matrix".

30 posted on 01/11/2011 8:37:44 AM PST by annieokie
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