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The shooting's true lesson
NY Post ^ | January 10, 2011 | DJ JAFFEE

Posted on 01/11/2011 3:16:27 AM PST by Scanian

Now that someone with mental illness has shot one of Washington's own, maybe Congress will start to pay attention to its abysmal failure to provide care for the most seriously mentally-ill Americans.

We'll see. Lawmakers took a brief lunge in that direction after mentally-ill John Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan in 1981, and an even smaller step in 1988 when Russel Weston, another mentally-ill man, entered the Capitol and shot two police officers. But most mentally-ill people are not violent -- and Congress seems content with ignoring those who are.

I fear legislators will react to Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' shooting by giving themselves added police protection -- that is, covering their own butts while leaving everyone else's exposed.

When you read Jared Loughner's rantings on YouTube, you're instantly transported back to the 1980s, when mentally-ill Ted Kaczynski -- the Unabomber -- started a 20-year career of sending bombs through the mail. He was caught only in 1995 -- after family members who read the Unabomber's 35,000-word psychotic manifesto, said, "That sounds like Ted," and told the police.

The family had tried to get help for Kaczynski before then -- but, like most families of people with serious mental illness, faced a Catch-22. They are powerless to do anything other than say, "Why don't you go to a doctor" until after the mentally ill person becomes dangerous.

Here's what Congress should do to save money, improve care and prevent violence:

1) Prioritize the seriously mentally ill.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; giffords; kaczynski; lessons; loughnersrantings; mentalillness
Let's not react by throwing money at the problem...let's start committing crazies again.
1 posted on 01/11/2011 3:16:33 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Let’s not react by throwing money at the problem...let’s start committing crazies again.

Seems to me, most of the committing hospitals, Dr’s and infrastructure for the criminally and mentally ill went the way of the buggy whip.

IOW, the loonies, in charge, dumped the loony bins, and thus...

Know of any State Mental Hospitals?

There may be a few, I haven’t yet done any research.


2 posted on 01/11/2011 3:28:07 AM PST by wita
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To: Scanian

No, the most seriously ill are taken care of. It’s those who are borderline that struggle to get appropriate care.


3 posted on 01/11/2011 3:52:01 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Scanian
The shooting's true lesson:

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Check. Got it...

4 posted on 01/11/2011 3:54:12 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: wita

Sure, Central State Hospital in Milledgeville, Georgia. Once upon a time called the Georgia Lunatic assylum.

Still functioning, to the best of my knowledge.

http://www.centralstatehospital.org/

“Georgia’s largest facility for persons with mental illness and developmental disabilities.”


5 posted on 01/11/2011 4:03:11 AM PST by Scanian
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To: wita

I recall when the libs pushed a law that prevented the committment of most of these troubled people, many of them began ‘’living on the street’’. Then the libs called them ‘’homeless people’’. We didn’t have a problem with so many ‘’homeless people before the libs dumped all the troubled people who should have been monitored by the state or private institutions.


6 posted on 01/11/2011 4:04:30 AM PST by Waco (From Seward to Sarah)
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To: Scanian
Now that someone with mental illness has shot one of Washington's own, maybe Congress will start to pay attention to its abysmal failure to provide care for the most seriously mentally-ill Americans.

Here is the first statement that addresses the real problem.

There was a seriously disturbed young man running around and a mountain of evidence he had violence on the top of his sick mind.

Nothing was done to him.

We used to lock away such people and it kept them from slaughtering innocents in violent criminal acts of insanity.

7 posted on 01/11/2011 4:04:33 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority (What this country needs is an enema.)
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To: wita

Here in Florida:

FLORIDA STATE HOSPITAL - CHATTAHOOCHEE, FL

http://www.hospital-data.com/hospitals/FLORIDA-STATE-HOSPITAL-CHATTAHOOCHEE.html

“Mental health services are provided onsite to residents”


8 posted on 01/11/2011 4:06:17 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

bookmark.


9 posted on 01/11/2011 4:07:43 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Scanian

Apparently the one in Provo, UT is still in operation, seems to me it is also used as a major spook alley at Halloween.


10 posted on 01/11/2011 4:07:49 AM PST by wita
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

That’s right...those used to be pretty grotesque places but at least they weren’t on the streets committing mayhem.

I’m sure they have been modernized like everything else.

The main thing is to put the crazies there and keep them there.


11 posted on 01/11/2011 4:08:36 AM PST by Scanian
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

“Here is the first statement that addresses the real problem.”

BTW, we had a discussion about this yesterday here. Now the media is picking up on it.


12 posted on 01/11/2011 4:10:08 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Waco

We are up to three State Mental Institutions, now with a little research, but the problem as you state appears to be getting the right folks committed. I remember the circumstances you and others have spoken about.

One has to be like the kidnappers of Elizabeth Smart, and caught, before commitment to an institution, and then the fun begins by lawyers to get them back out on the street.


13 posted on 01/11/2011 4:15:28 AM PST by wita
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To: yldstrk

Jared Loughner sounds way past the borderline stage.

He was told to leave community college(”danger to others”) and instructors and students frightened by his behavior.


14 posted on 01/11/2011 4:15:52 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Well he apparantly wasn’t locked up in a mental institution was he?


15 posted on 01/11/2011 4:23:55 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Scanian
I fear legislators will react to Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’ shooting by giving themselves added police protection — that is, covering their own butts while leaving everyone else’s exposed.

Let's see,

Social Security
Voting themselves a salary increase
Health Care
Retirement Plan
to name a few

I think the writer is correct in “fearing” the legislators reaction.

16 posted on 01/11/2011 4:31:32 AM PST by Deepest South
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To: yldstrk

That is my point.

He should have been taken out of circulation some time ago.


17 posted on 01/11/2011 4:32:19 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Deepest South

If they want to deploy a couple local cops at their public appearances with NO POLICE BUDGET INCREASE, then fine and dandy.


18 posted on 01/11/2011 4:38:52 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian
Let's not react by throwing money at the problem...let's start committing crazies again.

Well, I know a lot about the crazies (on both sides of the locked door), and I couldn't agree more.

There are at least 100 000, maybe more, for whom both Christian charity (asylum) and public safety should demand permanent hospitalization.

But "let's not throw money at the problem"?

Are you kidding? It will cost trillions to deal effectively with all the people like Loughner, and Kaszinski, and Hinckley, and Cho, and on, and on. That's why the State Hospitals were all closed and why public psychiatry has, effectively, ceased to exist. There was no money for it (no votes in it, I mean) as long ago as 1963.

I see no chance that an effective public psychiatry system can be re-created under current conditions.

19 posted on 01/11/2011 4:45:51 AM PST by Jim Noble (Third Bank of the United States: Ever wonder why they didn't call it that?)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Nothing was done to him

You need to get it through your head that, under current conditions, THERE'S NOTHING TO DO.

Every entity that existed to deal with people like this in 1960 has been defunded or disbanded, and the courts have ruled repeatedly that coercive treatment is unconstitutional.

I have seen people like this in emergency rooms for years (not often, it's not my field).

It is shocking how few resources are available to physicians when they meet a character like this. A busy ER will see a Loughner, or a Cho, two or three times a month. Multiply by 4000 busy ERs, multiply that by $150 000/patient for a year in a State Hospital, add the number of lawyers and judges working to "free" chronic schizophrenics and then divide by the number of votes for politicians who want to spend money on crazy people, well...you do the math.

20 posted on 01/11/2011 4:52:57 AM PST by Jim Noble (Third Bank of the United States: Ever wonder why they didn't call it that?)
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To: Scanian

Are the laws going to be changed so that disturbed people can be institutionalized without their consent?

Some years ago the parents of a disturbed teen went to Court, begged the Judge to put their son in a mental institution.

He sent the family and the boy home with instructions to the son to ‘behave himself.

A few days later the son murdered a little girl who came to his door selling girl scout cookies.

We are at a crossroads when it comes to locking up people against their will.


21 posted on 01/11/2011 5:20:15 AM PST by Carley (PRINTING OPINION, IGNORING THE FACTS......the msm!!!)
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To: Jim Noble

I posted links to the stagte hospitals in FL and GA this am...they’re up and running.

Let’s get ‘em committed and deal with the budgetary issue as needed.

Let’s not emulate the libs and come up with some spending program and assume that solves the problem.

A lot of the changes in handling the mentally ill had to do with “patient rights” PC bilge which resulted in thousands of Loughner’s being foisted on us.


22 posted on 01/11/2011 5:26:01 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Carley

I worked with someone who had the same problem with her son, she was scared to death of him, had all sorts of disorders. Killed the pets etc, tried to stab them. I mean they were terrified of him. I used to listen to her at work on the phone with the state trying to get him in an inpatient facility.


23 posted on 01/11/2011 6:31:35 AM PST by panthermom
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To: panthermom

My heart aches for parents of such children. No matter the age of the son or daughter.....usually son......who is out of control and a clear danger to everyone.


24 posted on 01/11/2011 6:39:09 AM PST by Carley (PRINTING OPINION, IGNORING THE FACTS......the msm!!!)
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To: Scanian

The liberal wet dream is to declare EVERYONE mentally ill, except a chosen few (The rulers).

Kind of like how the old USSR would declare political opponents mentally ill and have them commited to get them out of circulation.


25 posted on 01/11/2011 7:36:42 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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