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"If FR dies, thatís that." - Jim Robinson [Jim's reply at post # 588]
freerepublic.com ^ | 1/11/11 | paulycy

Posted on 01/11/2011 5:28:06 AM PST by paulycy

FYI -

Here are statements from Jim about the future of FreeRepublic.com for those who missed them. They are quite serious.

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"Well, I can say that there are definitely two things that will never happen. 1) Banner ads. 2) Oracle [a completely new database system.] And a third is a total replacement [of the current damaged system.] Don’t have the financial wherewithal."

"To those who wish to leave because of it, see ya."

"If FR dies, that’s that."

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[To: paulycy]

Hey, you want us to get an all new system with all new software and add a few more pricey techs, system programmers and database administrators to keep it all working 100% of the time 24/7/365? Well, start coughing up the big bucks.

It’s going to take tens of thousands of donations and many with at least three zeros each after the comma to accomplish the task. And that would be EVERY month like clock work to make the payroll. Once you take on a big load of expensive overhead, there’s no going back. As it is, we get a couple thousand donations per quarter averaging about $30 bucks each and there’s no guarantees we can cover this quarter’s expenses much less next quarter. We’re on a pay as we go system and we have zero employees.We just ask for enough to pay the bills.

Throwing more money at the problem won’t solve it. [This latest glitch] was a technical issue and we just had to keep troubleshooting until we found it. And no, we’re not going to invite a bunch of strangers in to get their hands on our secure systems. John has been programming since he was 14 and he’s pushing 40 now. He built these systems and he’s an expert in them.

And no, we are not going to throw out our software and rewrite it and no we’re not going to move on to some other database system. There are no guarantees that any other system can do a better job and not without hiring a staff to build and maintain it and that’s for sure. And we don’t have the financial wherewithal to do any of that anyway. Maybe if we had a couple million bucks at our disposal and a couple years to do it in we could build an iron-clad system. And maybe not.

All I can say is, if someone else can do it better and cheaper, then please step right on up and get ‘er done!! I’ll bow out and retire. Thankyouverymuch.

Hit it boys:

https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/

And no, we have no plans of taking FR commercial. I like it the way it is. Not sure I could handle getting rich.

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- Jim Robinson

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2653583/posts?page=168#168


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If FR dies, it goes away forever unless something changes. Is this acceptable to us?

FR is currently seriously underfunded. This is something we FReepers can do something about.

Comments? Suggestions?

Donate:

https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/

1 posted on 01/11/2011 5:28:10 AM PST by paulycy
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To: paulycy

I’m here to the bitter end, which I hope never comes. This is a very necessary outlet!

I am a daily contributor. That won’t change! :)


2 posted on 01/11/2011 5:30:20 AM PST by LUV W (Thank God)
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To: paulycy

I couldn’t give much but if a Michigander who lives hand to mouth like myself could give $10, its pretty hard to deny that everyone couldn’t pitch in $5 or $10.


3 posted on 01/11/2011 5:31:11 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: paulycy

So anyhow did the recent fix purge a pre-existing bug from the system? At least that was progress.

I can’t see messing with Oracle or any commercial data base manager which would require bringing in “strangers” for support, for the same reason.


4 posted on 01/11/2011 5:34:55 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: LUV W

I’m here to the end with you, money’s tight, but did manage $10.00


5 posted on 01/11/2011 5:35:54 AM PST by IAmNotAnAnimal
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To: cripplecreek

...my monthly “payday” is tomorrow.


6 posted on 01/11/2011 5:36:14 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: paulycy; onyx
Bless you, paulycy.

Support The Light Of Truth

Donate To Free Republic

7 posted on 01/11/2011 5:36:44 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: paulycy
Throwing more money at the problem won't solve it. [This latest glitch] was a technical issue and we just had to keep troubleshooting until we found it. And no, we're not going to invite a bunch of strangers in to get their hands on our secure systems. John has been programming since he was 14 and he's pushing 40 now. He built these systems and he's an expert in them.

I can relate having programmed for about 35 years, always build from scratch, build it to last, not to throw away and start over every couple of years. My only suggestion is to stay the heck away from Oracle.

8 posted on 01/11/2011 5:37:39 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: paulycy

I’ll donate more when we start having banner ads. I live in a capitalist society. I have no problem with ads.


9 posted on 01/11/2011 5:39:29 AM PST by Mercat
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m with ya to the end, if I need to step up my monthly, let me know. I am, of course, going to get the FreeRepublicNews site up, and that will take currency and time, but in addition to that, I can assist here at Free Republic.

In short, I’d hit it.


10 posted on 01/11/2011 5:39:57 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, than Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: paulycy

What is ‘oracle’?


11 posted on 01/11/2011 5:41:19 AM PST by Celtic Cross
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To: Celtic Cross

Commercial database, expensive, bloated, complicated.


12 posted on 01/11/2011 5:42:09 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: paulycy
I wish I could give more than $10/month.

Actually, I really wish every user would give $1/month. Then we'd be flush!

13 posted on 01/11/2011 5:42:11 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: paulycy

Would it help to get rid of the superfluous forums? The Religion forum, for one, brings nothing but heartache and endless stabs in the face.


14 posted on 01/11/2011 5:42:54 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Being awake is dangerous and silly.)
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To: paulycy

Oracle is not an option. It usually isn’t. Way overpriced for what it does, more hype than substance.

“...and no we’re not going to move on to some other database system. There are no guarantees that any other system can do a better job”

That’s very true in general in the software industry; changing X for Y without knowing first if it will do better is a bad idea.


15 posted on 01/11/2011 5:42:57 AM PST by Moose Burger
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To: Lazamataz

What’s the FreeRepublicNews site? Will it be separate from FR?


16 posted on 01/11/2011 5:43:17 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Don't retreat...reload!)
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To: Celtic Cross
What is ‘oracle’?

Oracle is an expensive, commercial database system used to hold all the information FR stores.

Most of the internet is NOT run on such an expensive system. Moving FR to such a system would be controversial even if we were rich (which we're not.)

17 posted on 01/11/2011 5:44:28 AM PST by paulycy (The Constitution is a Formal Contract. Live up to it or lose your job, Congress.)
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bttt


18 posted on 01/11/2011 5:44:49 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: paulycy
I have always made sure at least one other DB engineer knows what I've done in my databases. It's important to have a "walk in" guy, should anything happen.

There's a bunch of long term members who are IT professionals...it seems like one of the proven-trustworthy of them should be let in as a volunteer....if only as a second pair of eyes.

John's done a terrific job: I'd hate to see everything go up in smoke due to circumstances.

19 posted on 01/11/2011 5:45:25 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: Celtic Cross
What is ‘oracle’?

Wow, that is funny.

20 posted on 01/11/2011 5:45:25 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

At this point, I think the GOP club is the one that should go, if any. I mean, who comprises the GOP club these days? Mittens, McAmnesty, Murkyowski...


21 posted on 01/11/2011 5:45:36 AM PST by Celtic Cross
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To: paulycy

I’ll send in something today. I also happily contribute monthly. That said, I see no dishonor in accepting ad space revenue. None at all and it would have no affect on my regular contributions.


22 posted on 01/11/2011 5:46:44 AM PST by fullchroma
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To: paulycy; Jim Robinson
OK, I just donated $50.

But it's inevitable, Jim. Change will come.

And if you refuse to change the way you manage the servers and software, it will crash and burn.

Now I respect your attitude, but the future of FreeRepublic is more important than any one of us.

I hope you have a change of heart, or find a wealthy “sugar momma”!

23 posted on 01/11/2011 5:48:30 AM PST by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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To: paulycy

Whats the situation currently? Is death imminent for FR?


24 posted on 01/11/2011 5:48:52 AM PST by Celtic Cross
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To: cripplecreek

5-10 bucks....I got ripped by any number of cheap souls last time for saying that anyone could afford 10 bucks a quarter. I heard sob stories, laments about how tough it is, and just downright defiance.

I still believe that those who don’t contribute are living on Free Republic Welfare.

10 bucks is 11 cents a day. People refuse to pick that up off the street if they see it.


25 posted on 01/11/2011 5:49:21 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: paulycy

What is the problem? What are we trying to solve?


26 posted on 01/11/2011 5:49:24 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: paulycy

I don’t know why anyone would consider Oracle, except in specific circumstances. I’ve found SQL Server to be far more nimble and dependable for projects in the multi-million record range.


27 posted on 01/11/2011 5:50:33 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: CAluvdubya

Need a financial Knight in shining armor. Rush? Are you there?


28 posted on 01/11/2011 5:50:56 AM PST by TheRake
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To: Mercat; paulycy; Jim Robinson

The only banner ads I could stomach are ones from conservative orgs and members’ own sites. If you want to pimp a blog, pay up to JimRob. Smaller than those horrible banner ads too and maybe just on the main forum.

Just a suggestion.


29 posted on 01/11/2011 5:51:05 AM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: paulycy

FR should require a paid subscription to post any article.

I believe DU runs on fornicated CForum+ Version 1.1 by dcscripts which is no longer in business as of 2009. They also leverage advertising, I saw a Verizon article there the other day while trolling articles about the AZ incident. (Know thy enemy)

My point is that I see the inevitability of both forums needing to be modernized. Not just upgraded, but a complete rewrite or rebranding.

I’m a fan of “if it’s not broke don’t fix it” however that logic doesn’t apply to technology.

FR has proven its value many times from Buckhead’s forged Bush letter discovery to the recent AZ incident and rapid documenting of leftist hate speech.

The question is, we have a good thing going, how can we keep it going and in what form?


30 posted on 01/11/2011 5:52:06 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: paulycy
I find it odd, considering some of the vehement opinions often expressed on the subject by many people on these boards, that financially FR operations, in comparison to that of KOS etc, are much like PBS versus commercial television!

As to fixing the problem - the only thing that comes immediately to mind, assuming we want FR to continue to be the BBC to the liberals CNN, is for us the users of the site to introduce it to more of our friends/relatives/associates, with the idea of expanding the user base, and therefore the donator base.

31 posted on 01/11/2011 5:52:40 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Celtic Cross
Whats the situation currently? Is death imminent for FR?

I honestly don't know. That is a mystery that Jim won't share. Part of me understands why and part of me wants to know what the heck is going on so that we can solve the problems and bring the money and manpower to bear on the situation as needed.

Jim is the owner of FR. We are merely donors. The problem comes in that we *feel* like shareholders in a company and should have the rights of shareholders. But we don't. That's the rub. We don't have a right to know what Jim knows because FR is his private property and not *our* company.

32 posted on 01/11/2011 5:54:13 AM PST by paulycy (The Constitution is a Formal Contract. Live up to it or lose your job, Congress.)
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To: TSgt
DU has an 'adbot'. Saw it there once when I was posting.*

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>

*Three posts, and bang. Gone. I'm not good at pretending to be liberal.

33 posted on 01/11/2011 5:54:49 AM PST by Celtic Cross
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To: paulycy; Jim Robinson; onyx; Fiddlstix; trisham; Lady Jag; GitmoSailor; RedMDer; vox_freedom
EVERYBODY, SOMEBODY, ANYBODY, NOBODY

This is a story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody. There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about this, because it was Everybody's job. Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.

Click here to donate!
Or are you waiting for Somebody Else to do what Everybody should?


34 posted on 01/11/2011 5:55:26 AM PST by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: Celtic Cross; paulycy; Jim Robinson
Whats the situation currently? Is death imminent for FR?

This is what Jim said: As it is, we get a couple thousand donations per quarter averaging about $30 bucks each and there’s no guarantees we can cover this quarter’s expenses much less next quarter. We’re on a pay as we go system and we have zero employees.We just ask for enough to pay the bills.

FR lives hand to mouth and Freepathons are taking longer to fulfill. It may be that sometime we won't complete a fundraiser and that will be that.

35 posted on 01/11/2011 5:56:16 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: cripplecreek

its pretty hard to deny that everyone couldn’t pitch in $5 or $10.

If everyone did, Jim’s troubles would be over.

As it is in government, the few are subsidizing the many.


36 posted on 01/11/2011 5:56:34 AM PST by wita
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To: paulycy

I think each person who posts should get a star by their name for donation. And if they don’t have a star, then they can be in the hall of shame. I admit, I was on FR a long timne before i became a monthly donor. I am ashamed to say, there is no sense in that. I now donate monthly, if everyone contributed just a bit then it would be just fine.
Melissa Lewis


37 posted on 01/11/2011 5:56:44 AM PST by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: airborne
or find a wealthy “sugar momma”!

It's more than obvious to me that FR is a source of much of Limbaugh's commentary.....it'd be nice if he waved the financial wand now and again.

38 posted on 01/11/2011 5:56:44 AM PST by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Celtic Cross
What is ‘oracle’?


39 posted on 01/11/2011 5:56:51 AM PST by Libloather (Teapublican, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

SQL Server, as in MS SQL Server? Last time I checked, it don’t run on Linux, and FR is a Linux shop.


40 posted on 01/11/2011 5:57:08 AM PST by AFreeBird
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
What is the problem? What are we trying to solve?

The long term financial and technical stability of FreeRepublic.com.

41 posted on 01/11/2011 5:57:08 AM PST by paulycy (The Constitution is a Formal Contract. Live up to it or lose your job, Congress.)
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To: TSgt

>>FR should require a paid subscription to post any article.<<

Great idea!


42 posted on 01/11/2011 5:57:21 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: paulycy

Banner ads don’t bother me, I can’t even remember them.
They are wasting their money on me.


43 posted on 01/11/2011 5:57:57 AM PST by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Clint N. Suhks; Lazamataz; Libloather; Matchett-PI; MinuteGal; Quix; SandRat; ...

FYI ping.


44 posted on 01/11/2011 5:58:06 AM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: paulycy

I have little problem with selling ad space to raise revenue. Jim could consider being selective regarding the type of businesses allowed, possibly giving preference to Freeper business owners.


45 posted on 01/11/2011 5:58:39 AM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: TSgt
FR should require a paid subscription to post any article.

While I understand why you're saying it, all the same, actually doing this would kill the site dead. Which, perversely, would solve the current problems, in a way.

46 posted on 01/11/2011 5:59:13 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will believe in abject nonsense.)
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To: InvisibleChurch; jimrob

Absolute quintuple AMEN to that suggestion.

...but only if it helps the situation.


47 posted on 01/11/2011 6:01:14 AM PST by wita
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To: Celtic Cross
*** What is ‘oracle’? ***

It was an ancient Greek Fortune teller ...
but that's not important right now.

48 posted on 01/11/2011 6:01:46 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: ErnBatavia
It's more than obvious to me that FR is a source of much of Limbaugh's commentary.....it'd be nice if he waved the financial wand now and again.

Totally agree.

49 posted on 01/11/2011 6:02:23 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ErnBatavia
It's more than obvious to me that FR is a source of much of Limbaugh's commentary.....it'd be nice if he waved the financial wand now and again.

He probably does give, but he shouldn't have to carry everybody's water.

50 posted on 01/11/2011 6:02:33 AM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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