Skip to comments."If FR dies, thatís that." - Jim Robinson [Jim's reply at post # 588]
Posted on 01/11/2011 5:28:06 AM PST by paulycy
Here are statements from Jim about the future of FreeRepublic.com for those who missed them. They are quite serious.
"Well, I can say that there are definitely two things that will never happen. 1) Banner ads. 2) Oracle [a completely new database system.] And a third is a total replacement [of the current damaged system.] Dont have the financial wherewithal."
"To those who wish to leave because of it, see ya."
"If FR dies, thats that."
Hey, you want us to get an all new system with all new software and add a few more pricey techs, system programmers and database administrators to keep it all working 100% of the time 24/7/365? Well, start coughing up the big bucks.
Its going to take tens of thousands of donations and many with at least three zeros each after the comma to accomplish the task. And that would be EVERY month like clock work to make the payroll. Once you take on a big load of expensive overhead, theres no going back. As it is, we get a couple thousand donations per quarter averaging about $30 bucks each and theres no guarantees we can cover this quarters expenses much less next quarter. Were on a pay as we go system and we have zero employees.We just ask for enough to pay the bills.
Throwing more money at the problem wont solve it. [This latest glitch] was a technical issue and we just had to keep troubleshooting until we found it. And no, were not going to invite a bunch of strangers in to get their hands on our secure systems. John has been programming since he was 14 and hes pushing 40 now. He built these systems and hes an expert in them.
And no, we are not going to throw out our software and rewrite it and no were not going to move on to some other database system. There are no guarantees that any other system can do a better job and not without hiring a staff to build and maintain it and thats for sure. And we dont have the financial wherewithal to do any of that anyway. Maybe if we had a couple million bucks at our disposal and a couple years to do it in we could build an iron-clad system. And maybe not.
All I can say is, if someone else can do it better and cheaper, then please step right on up and get er done!! Ill bow out and retire. Thankyouverymuch.
Hit it boys:
And no, we have no plans of taking FR commercial. I like it the way it is. Not sure I could handle getting rich.
- Jim Robinson
FR is currently seriously underfunded. This is something we FReepers can do something about.
I’m here to the bitter end, which I hope never comes. This is a very necessary outlet!
I am a daily contributor. That won’t change! :)
I couldn’t give much but if a Michigander who lives hand to mouth like myself could give $10, its pretty hard to deny that everyone couldn’t pitch in $5 or $10.
So anyhow did the recent fix purge a pre-existing bug from the system? At least that was progress.
I can’t see messing with Oracle or any commercial data base manager which would require bringing in “strangers” for support, for the same reason.
I’m here to the end with you, money’s tight, but did manage $10.00
...my monthly “payday” is tomorrow.
I can relate having programmed for about 35 years, always build from scratch, build it to last, not to throw away and start over every couple of years. My only suggestion is to stay the heck away from Oracle.
I’ll donate more when we start having banner ads. I live in a capitalist society. I have no problem with ads.
I’m with ya to the end, if I need to step up my monthly, let me know. I am, of course, going to get the FreeRepublicNews site up, and that will take currency and time, but in addition to that, I can assist here at Free Republic.
In short, I’d hit it.
What is ‘oracle’?
Commercial database, expensive, bloated, complicated.
Actually, I really wish every user would give $1/month. Then we'd be flush!
Would it help to get rid of the superfluous forums? The Religion forum, for one, brings nothing but heartache and endless stabs in the face.
Oracle is not an option. It usually isn’t. Way overpriced for what it does, more hype than substance.
“...and no were not going to move on to some other database system. There are no guarantees that any other system can do a better job”
That’s very true in general in the software industry; changing X for Y without knowing first if it will do better is a bad idea.
What’s the FreeRepublicNews site? Will it be separate from FR?
Oracle is an expensive, commercial database system used to hold all the information FR stores.
Most of the internet is NOT run on such an expensive system. Moving FR to such a system would be controversial even if we were rich (which we're not.)
There's a bunch of long term members who are IT professionals...it seems like one of the proven-trustworthy of them should be let in as a volunteer....if only as a second pair of eyes.
John's done a terrific job: I'd hate to see everything go up in smoke due to circumstances.
Wow, that is funny.
At this point, I think the GOP club is the one that should go, if any. I mean, who comprises the GOP club these days? Mittens, McAmnesty, Murkyowski...
I’ll send in something today. I also happily contribute monthly. That said, I see no dishonor in accepting ad space revenue. None at all and it would have no affect on my regular contributions.
But it's inevitable, Jim. Change will come.
And if you refuse to change the way you manage the servers and software, it will crash and burn.
Now I respect your attitude, but the future of FreeRepublic is more important than any one of us.
I hope you have a change of heart, or find a wealthy “sugar momma”!
Whats the situation currently? Is death imminent for FR?
5-10 bucks....I got ripped by any number of cheap souls last time for saying that anyone could afford 10 bucks a quarter. I heard sob stories, laments about how tough it is, and just downright defiance.
I still believe that those who don’t contribute are living on Free Republic Welfare.
10 bucks is 11 cents a day. People refuse to pick that up off the street if they see it.
What is the problem? What are we trying to solve?
I don’t know why anyone would consider Oracle, except in specific circumstances. I’ve found SQL Server to be far more nimble and dependable for projects in the multi-million record range.
Need a financial Knight in shining armor. Rush? Are you there?
The only banner ads I could stomach are ones from conservative orgs and members’ own sites. If you want to pimp a blog, pay up to JimRob. Smaller than those horrible banner ads too and maybe just on the main forum.
Just a suggestion.
FR should require a paid subscription to post any article.
I believe DU runs on fornicated CForum+ Version 1.1 by dcscripts which is no longer in business as of 2009. They also leverage advertising, I saw a Verizon article there the other day while trolling articles about the AZ incident. (Know thy enemy)
My point is that I see the inevitability of both forums needing to be modernized. Not just upgraded, but a complete rewrite or rebranding.
I’m a fan of “if it’s not broke don’t fix it” however that logic doesn’t apply to technology.
FR has proven its value many times from Buckhead’s forged Bush letter discovery to the recent AZ incident and rapid documenting of leftist hate speech.
The question is, we have a good thing going, how can we keep it going and in what form?
As to fixing the problem - the only thing that comes immediately to mind, assuming we want FR to continue to be the BBC to the liberals CNN, is for us the users of the site to introduce it to more of our friends/relatives/associates, with the idea of expanding the user base, and therefore the donator base.
I honestly don't know. That is a mystery that Jim won't share. Part of me understands why and part of me wants to know what the heck is going on so that we can solve the problems and bring the money and manpower to bear on the situation as needed.
Jim is the owner of FR. We are merely donors. The problem comes in that we *feel* like shareholders in a company and should have the rights of shareholders. But we don't. That's the rub. We don't have a right to know what Jim knows because FR is his private property and not *our* company.
*Three posts, and bang. Gone. I'm not good at pretending to be liberal.
This is a story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody. There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about this, because it was Everybody's job. Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
Or are you waiting for Somebody Else to do what Everybody should?
This is what Jim said: As it is, we get a couple thousand donations per quarter averaging about $30 bucks each and theres no guarantees we can cover this quarters expenses much less next quarter. Were on a pay as we go system and we have zero employees.We just ask for enough to pay the bills.
FR lives hand to mouth and Freepathons are taking longer to fulfill. It may be that sometime we won't complete a fundraiser and that will be that.
its pretty hard to deny that everyone couldnt pitch in $5 or $10.
If everyone did, Jim’s troubles would be over.
As it is in government, the few are subsidizing the many.
I think each person who posts should get a star by their name for donation. And if they don’t have a star, then they can be in the hall of shame. I admit, I was on FR a long timne before i became a monthly donor. I am ashamed to say, there is no sense in that. I now donate monthly, if everyone contributed just a bit then it would be just fine.
It's more than obvious to me that FR is a source of much of Limbaugh's commentary.....it'd be nice if he waved the financial wand now and again.
SQL Server, as in MS SQL Server? Last time I checked, it don’t run on Linux, and FR is a Linux shop.
The long term financial and technical stability of FreeRepublic.com.
>>FR should require a paid subscription to post any article.<<
Banner ads don’t bother me, I can’t even remember them.
They are wasting their money on me.
I have little problem with selling ad space to raise revenue. Jim could consider being selective regarding the type of businesses allowed, possibly giving preference to Freeper business owners.
While I understand why you're saying it, all the same, actually doing this would kill the site dead. Which, perversely, would solve the current problems, in a way.
Absolute quintuple AMEN to that suggestion.
...but only if it helps the situation.
It was an ancient Greek Fortune teller ...
but that's not important right now.
He probably does give, but he shouldn't have to carry everybody's water.