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Democrats move to limit guns, threatening language in shooting's wake
Washington Examiner ^ | 01/11/11 6: | Susan Ferrechio

Posted on 01/11/2011 12:40:55 PM PST by neverdem

Reacting to the assassination attempt on one of their own, two House members on Monday said they will introduce legislation that would ban certain ammunition clips and make it illegal to threaten a federal official, both of which they say contributed to the mass casualties in a shooting rampage in Tuscson over the weekend.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., plans to introduce a bill that would ban high-capacity ammunition clips like the one used by Jared Loughner, the gunman accused of killing 6 and injuring 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., as they gathered at a “Congress on Your Corner” event.

And Rep. Robert Brady, D-Pa., will introduce legislation that would make it illegal to uses threatening words or symbols or incite violence against a lawmaker or federal official.

Among the symbols Brady seeks to ban was one posted on the Internet by former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin that showed Democratic congressional districts, including Giffords’, with the crosshairs of a rifle scope superimposed over them.

“I want to protect our congresspeople in a way that they can’t put a crosshair on us, they can’t put a bullseye on us, no matter who does it,” Brady said Monday on Fox News.

McCarthy’s bill would target the 30-round clip Loughner used in a Glock 19 handgun. The high-capacity clips were once banned by the federal Assault Weapon Ban, which expired in 2004 and was never renewed by Congress because of intense partisan politics and lawmakers’ reluctance to take up gun restrictions when facing reelection.

But McCarthy aides say that while she wants to ban the larger clips, McCarthy is not insisting that gun clips be limited to the 10-bullet limit imposed by the Assault Weapon Ban.

“We are not married to the previous limit,” her spokesman, Shams Tarek, told The Washington Examiner. “We are working on language that is reasonable and makes sense and has a possibility of passing.”

While gun control issues are virtually impossible to push through Congress, McCarthy, whose husband was killed in a 1993 mass shooting on the Long Island Railroad, had some success when, in 2007, she passed a measure beefing up criminal background checks for some gun buyers.

That bill passed just after the mass shooting at Virginia Tech that left 32 people dead. Gun control advocates are hoping momentum from the Tucson shooting will help pass her new proposal.

“It’s going to be critical to take these things up very quickly,” said Ladd Everitt, spokesman for Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. “It’s very possible Republicans would like to run out the clock on this, but this is not going to leave the news and it is not going to leave the hearts and minds of America. We are hoping that will generate action.”

Gun-rights groups said they believe McCarthy’s bill is unlikely to pass in a House controlled by Republicans.

“These reactions are as predictable as vultures circling carrion,” Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said of McCarthy’s bill.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; brady; carolynmccarthy; democrats; donttreadonme; giffords; liberalfascism; magazinenotclip; mccarthy; reichstagfire; robertbrady
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1 posted on 01/11/2011 12:41:00 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

So does this mean we head to the nearest WalMart and stock up again?


2 posted on 01/11/2011 12:42:19 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Lawyer, A Painter, A Politician And The Media Can Change Black To White)
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To: neverdem

If they don’t have the stones to face armed constituents, its time for them to retire.


3 posted on 01/11/2011 12:42:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: neverdem

Apparently, the RATs in the House haven’t heard that they lost the November election.


4 posted on 01/11/2011 12:44:19 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: cripplecreek
If they don’t have the stones to face armed constituents, its time for them to retire.

Fear the government that fears your guns.

5 posted on 01/11/2011 12:45:10 PM PST by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Clearly, there should have been a pop quiz after the Constitution was read to them.


6 posted on 01/11/2011 12:45:28 PM PST by organicchemist
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To: neverdem
Gun-rights groups said they believe McCarthy’s bill is unlikely to pass in a House controlled by Republicans.

It'd be even MORE unlikely to pass in a house controlled by AMERICANS.

7 posted on 01/11/2011 12:45:59 PM PST by HKMk23 (WANT DIFFERENT? VOTE DIFFERENT!)
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To: neverdem

OK, GOP freshmen, earn your pay! Deal with these threats to the Constitution.


8 posted on 01/11/2011 12:47:18 PM PST by Scanian
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To: neverdem
Threatening a federal official. I can't wait to see how that language plays out in practice.
9 posted on 01/11/2011 12:47:28 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: neverdem; freekitty; unkus; libertyhoundusnr; flat; rodguy911; JLAGRAYFOX; MamaDearest; jesseam; ...

I hope We The People note that any politician with a D next to their name wants to steal our freedom and put themselves in as dictators.


10 posted on 01/11/2011 12:47:51 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ReverendJames
"So does this mean we head to the nearest WalMart and stock up again?"

Might be prudent. I am not sure Boehner and many in the GOP will stand against all the hysteria. I can see a "bipartisan" bill passed with unified Democrat support and enough Republicans to reach a majority.

11 posted on 01/11/2011 12:48:26 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Steely Tom

Venezuela should welcome these Democrats with open arms.


12 posted on 01/11/2011 12:49:22 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: neverdem

If Sheriff Dipstick had been as serious about doing his job as he has been demonizing Rush, talk radio and Fox News, he might have discovered Loughner was threatening people, including the Congresswoman.

However, thanks to our current way of handling certifiable nutcases, they are as likely to be out on the street as in an institution. Can’t have their civil liberties violated, can we. When I lived in Phoenix 50 years ago, the answer was 24th and Van Buren, the state mental hospital.


13 posted on 01/11/2011 12:49:38 PM PST by CedarDave (What is DADT? Obama's response when inquiries are made about his birth certificate.)
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To: neverdem

Yeah I’m sure the nutjob would have changed his mind about shooting Gabby Giffords. After all he wouldn’t have wanted to break the law or anything.


14 posted on 01/11/2011 12:50:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: neverdem

Carolyn McCarthy is certifiable. In addition, she is a Brady Puppet.

The other guy, well, I guess he would have approed of the Alien and Sedition Acts.

Don’t take this for granted. There ARE anti-gun Republicans.

Write your congresscritters and ureg them to oppose this.


15 posted on 01/11/2011 12:51:17 PM PST by ZULU (No nation which tried to tolerate Islam escaped Islamization.)
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To: neverdem

“Among the symbols Brady seeks to ban was one posted on the Internet by former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin that showed Democratic congressional districts, including Giffords’, with the crosshairs of a rifle scope superimposed over them. “

It would make MORE sense to ban the name Lee, noting:

(1) Lee Harvey Oswald
(2) Ronnie Lee Gardner
(3) Jared Lee Loughner

and also middle names, noting that every deranged mass murderer (e.g. John Wayne Gacy) seems to have one.


16 posted on 01/11/2011 12:51:58 PM PST by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Truth29

Seems then I might need to stock up on some more ammo. Been seriously looking at either an M1A or Mini14.


17 posted on 01/11/2011 12:52:50 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Lawyer, A Painter, A Politician And The Media Can Change Black To White)
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To: paulcissa
Fear the government that fears your guns.

Fear the one that doesn't.

18 posted on 01/11/2011 12:53:02 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: neverdem

Never let a good crisis go to waste- right?


19 posted on 01/11/2011 12:55:04 PM PST by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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To: All

I wonder if they considered limiting islam in the wake of the FtHood jihad....


20 posted on 01/11/2011 12:55:20 PM PST by Maverick68
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To: neverdem
Interesting that the Fort Hood shooting by Moslem fanatic Major Nidal Malik Hasan that killed 13 US troops and wounded 30 others was not met with a similar reaction.

They must approve of Americans being killed by Moslems. It's only when they are killed by non-Moslems that there is a problem.

21 posted on 01/11/2011 12:56:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ('If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: neverdem
Rep. Robert Brady, D-Pa., will introduce legislation that would make it illegal to uses threatening words or symbols or incite violence against a lawmaker or federal official.

How would one define "threatening" for the purposes of the legislation? This is a vague word that opens up all sorts of possibilities for prosecutors, and all sorts of grief for freedom-loving Americans. Would ALL political speech that incorporates war or military metaphors now be outlawed? Who decides what is "threatening" language?

What about a candidate who talks about "targeting the seat" of an opponent? Or,"we have him in our sights, now go out and get him!". I could go on and on.
22 posted on 01/11/2011 12:57:09 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: neverdem

IF the left doesn’t aim this AT THE PRESIDENT,

Then,

they,

ARE

HYPOCRITES!!!!!!

Lying sacks of #$^%$&%^#&%$#!!!!!


23 posted on 01/11/2011 12:59:01 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: ReverendJames

“So does this mean we head to the nearest WalMart and stock up again?”

I would think any magazines at Wal-Mart would be cheap Chinese junk. Only their AK mages are decent, in my experience. Try a gun store, or for a better price, a gun show!


24 posted on 01/11/2011 1:03:35 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: neverdem
Billions of filthy and violent and I hate whitey videos...and we simply put an adult sticker on them.

Chicago violence Wins!!

Then there's Reverend Wright....

The there's "They bring a knife, we'll bring guns"...."Get in their face"

25 posted on 01/11/2011 1:04:49 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ExTexasRedhead

add 1 Republican: Pete King.


26 posted on 01/11/2011 1:05:39 PM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Deo volente
"How would one define "threatening" for the purposes of the legislation? This is a vague word that opens up all sorts of possibilities for prosecutors, and all sorts of grief for freedom-loving Americans. Would ALL political speech that incorporates war or military metaphors now be outlawed? Who decides what is "threatening" language?"

The answer is obvious. If a conservative uses such words, it would be hate speech and illegal. If a Democrat/leftist says the same thing, it is a lawful exercise of free speech. Selective enforcement would be a dream for the Marxists.

27 posted on 01/11/2011 1:07:31 PM PST by Truth29
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To: neverdem

Run the clock out on this. It wouldn’t protect anyone.


28 posted on 01/11/2011 1:08:20 PM PST by texmexis best (`)
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To: neverdem

FMCDH (BITS)


29 posted on 01/11/2011 1:10:34 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: ReverendJames

ReverendJames - I have a Springfield SOCOM 16 (.308). Highly recommend it.

(now I’ll get flamed by the AR/AK fellas :)


30 posted on 01/11/2011 1:11:16 PM PST by Noamie
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To: Truth29

Leftists love laws that are ambiguous,
it’s a force multiplier for them.

They are able to use “discretion” about when something is “threatening language” and when it is not.

And you’ve already stated the obvious - conservatives speaking will always be “threatening” and liberals will never be threatening.


31 posted on 01/11/2011 1:11:21 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Got that right.


32 posted on 01/11/2011 1:15:17 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ReverendJames
With Glock sales going through the roof, “Never let a good crisis go to waste!” (Rahm Immanuel)

Let them try to pass “Hate Speech” and Threat Rhetoric legislation. A complete violation of the Constitution. This means that they could go to prison for some of the heinous things they said about Bush.

33 posted on 01/11/2011 1:17:59 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: neverdem

All that I can say and will continue to say is:

Molon Labe MF’ers!

LLS


34 posted on 01/11/2011 1:22:20 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Noamie

Fine weapon indeed... I also love my black rifles.

LLS


35 posted on 01/11/2011 1:24:49 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: neverdem
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." - 1st Amendment

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." - 2nd Amendment

I wonder what part of shall make no law or shall not be infringed they don't understand? Or, could it be that they just choose to ignore it???

Maybe we need another Congressional reading session.

36 posted on 01/11/2011 1:36:06 PM PST by jda
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To: neverdem

I think stupid legislation like this should be bombed, shot, killed, destroyed, annihilated, and stabbed. Politically speaking.


37 posted on 01/11/2011 1:37:12 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: neverdem
Would political speech like this (WV Dem Governor Candidate literally shooting the Cap and Trade Bill) be banned?


38 posted on 01/11/2011 1:39:23 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: neverdem

I don’t think anyone really has faced reality as to just what has happened in the last few days. I have had to face it because of the peculiar requirements of my chosen work.
It hasn’t been caused by the shootings in Arizona, but rather, the events that transpired afterwards that brought to light some horrifying truths.

Our freedom of speech and the right to public information disappeared in a matter of hours. Go to your browser and type in “Jared Loehner”. Due to the events and interest generated in this man, his former writings should be readily available on the World Wide Web, along with various pieces of information dug up by the famous bloggers everywhere on it. We should know his shoe size and how many fillings he has in his teeth by now. Please tell me what you discover when you search. Propagandists and news organizations seem to be the only ones who are privy to any rock solid information.

The internet, as a tool of free speech and information, is dead, useless. You will now have access to only the information the Powers That Be deem fit for you to see. If the Demoncrats have their way, (and they well might) you will be AFRAID to voice even a mild criticism of any number of Socialist/Marxist/Communist agendas and manifestations for fear of reprisal in the name of “hate speech” or “sedition”. This is not an event to dread, it is an event that has already happened.

You WILL accept foreign entities that kill our law enforcement officers and citizens. You WILL accept the fact that fourteen million trespassers on American soil will be given all the rights with which Americans are endowed at the expense and sometimes the loss of your own.
Not ONLY will you accept lifestyles, cultures, ideologies and perversions that repell or offend you and defy American laws and principles, you WILL FINANCE THEM and allow them to be indoctrinated into your children AND you will pay the price tag to finance it. You WILL contribute to the procreation, livelihood, medical care, education and well-being of people who refuse to do productive work at the expense of your own family. You WILL allow minorities and illegal aliens to flaunt, disobey and ignore the laws which you yourself are bound to follow under penalty of law SIMPLY BECAUSE they are minorities. You will tolerate, finance legal aid, feed, house, provide medical care and entertainment to enemies of the United States of America who have committed crimes and acts of terrorism against it.

Any failure to follow the guidlines above, any disagreement with the tenets thereof, any writings, speech, commentary or rebellion against these rules will result in your censure, prosecution or imprisonment for “hate crimes” and “hate speech”. Parts of the Bible will be banned and not allowed to be read in religious services.

A lot has hung in the balance these last few months. However, we have made a HUGE mistake. We have underestimated the cunning, the ruthlessness, and the underhanded tactics of the Administration that is bound and determined to “fundamentally transform” The United States of America.

My prayers and hopes are centered on the present Congress of the United States. If they fail us now, we are indeed faced with the death of our country as a free nation. The wheels have already been set in motion.

Rather than agonize over making Free Republic more “modern” with more perks and more bells and whistles, we had all better be concentrating on keeping FreeRepublic just that,FREE, from tyrants who would destroy it and what it represents. That, in itself, is not going to be a small or easy task. Thanks Jim Robinson for all you have done. If my thoughts seem overly alarmist in their views, I apologize, but they reflect my grief and sorrow over where we are right now as a nation, as opposed to what we have been.


39 posted on 01/11/2011 1:40:20 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: ReverendJames

Ayup.


40 posted on 01/11/2011 1:44:53 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (We conservatives will always lose elections as long as we allow the MSM to choose our candidates.)
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To: neverdem

We’re going to find out just how much rhetoric was slung around in the last election.

Did they mean it when they talked conservativism? Yes or no?


41 posted on 01/11/2011 1:45:01 PM PST by Tzimisce (It's just another day in Obamaland.)
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To: Aleya2Fairlie
Go to your browser and type in “Jared Loehner”. Due to the events and interest generated in this man, his former writings should be readily available on the World Wide Web, along with various pieces of information dug up by the famous bloggers everywhere on it. We should know his shoe size and how many fillings he has in his teeth by now. Please tell me what you discover when you search. Propagandists and news organizations seem to be the only ones who are privy to any rock solid information.

I found very little when I google searched on Jared Loehner.

However, I found lots of information on Jared Loughner, including his writings (if you can call them that) as well as his videos.

DID you use the correct spelling of Jared Lee Loughner's name when you did your search, or did you misspell his name? Because with the correct spelling, I found page after page after page on or about or by him.

42 posted on 01/11/2011 1:48:59 PM PST by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

You are absolutely correct. These people (The Democrats & Obama) are just a carry-on of the facists, the nazi maniacs, and the communist “collective” regimes that controlled, jailed, tortured, murdered millions of innocents for control, fun and political dogma. I am, however, convinced that these haters will fail as did the Nazi’s, the Facists and the Communists and socialists added. Actually, even though there are folks that do not agree, the majority of the American people IMHO have had their fill of failed POTUS Obama and the Democrat Party. With the help of millions of loyal Americans, Obama and his Democrat Party will go down to massive political defeat in November, 2012. The burden is on “our” (the American people) good, loyal folks to rid our beloved nation of these collective progressives and would be dictators in the upcoming election cycle. The polls taken after this unfortunate American tragedy cause by a madman do not favor the American haters and destroyers at all!!! The American voter has Obama’s number and the failed dogma of the Democrat party.


43 posted on 01/11/2011 1:49:53 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: neverdem

The problem was that the shooter was clearly mentally ill and despite making overt threats over a period of years nothing was done by law enforcement even though they clearly knew of his condition. In former days he would have been institutionalized, but since liberal policies have emptied these mental hospitals and made such involuntary commitments difficult these seriously mentally ill people are roaming the streets.


44 posted on 01/11/2011 1:50:11 PM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: neverdem

It would seem that the MSM & Rat party are determined to make this tragedy their Reichstag moment & use it to butt rape the Constitution keep your eyes & ears open & your powder dry people cause it will get worse before it gets better.

The Democrats are in general acting like frustrated 2year olds who lash out when they don’t get what they want get a hold of your Congress idiot & remind them that you do in fact understand what they are trying to do to the Constitution.


45 posted on 01/11/2011 1:53:21 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Have no doubts that there are a bunch of RINO’s that will be happy to help them.


46 posted on 01/11/2011 1:54:40 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: neverdem
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., plans to introduce a bill that would ban high-capacity ammunition clips like the one used by Jared Loughner, the gunman accused of killing 6 and injuring 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., as they gathered at a “Congress on Your Corner” event.

I hope she does exactly that. The bill will be worthless. It's magazines, NOT clips. Geeze. Don't speak/write unless you know the subject.

They are trying to legislate something they know nothing about. From this link (emphasis mine):

One of the fiercest gun control advocates in Congress, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson, Ariz., Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday targeting the high-capacity ammunition clip the gunman used.
More...
Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) said he’s preparing to introduce a similar bill in the Senate.

“The only reason to have 33 bullets loaded in a handgun is to kill a lot of people very quickly,” Lautenberg said in a statement. “These high-capacity clips simply should not be on the market.“

More...
McCarthy’s spokesman confirmed that the legislation will target the high-capacity ammunition clips the Arizona gunman allegedly used in the shooting, but neither he nor the congresswoman offered any further details.
Idiots!

Now, if you'll pardon me, I've got to go write legislation on rocket science.

47 posted on 01/11/2011 1:56:46 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: Noamie

Looks nice! I’d rather have the straight GI looking one with fiberglass stock and blued barrel. However, I’d get it glass bedded and accurized.


48 posted on 01/11/2011 2:07:37 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Lawyer, A Painter, A Politician And The Media Can Change Black To White)
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To: 2harddrive

WalMart sells name brand rifles and shotguns. They have a gun catalog and if the gun is in it they can get it. As for ammo they have Remington,Winchester and other name brands too. I go to gun shows and their prices are a lot higher than regular gun shops including ammo. Their ammo prices are two to three dollars higher than Wally’s.


49 posted on 01/11/2011 2:10:35 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Lawyer, A Painter, A Politician And The Media Can Change Black To White)
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To: kaylar

Thanks for the correction in spelling. It did yield more results but nothing of a paper trail of his life, only what has already been released by way of major news outlets.

Jared’s My Space was taken down but it exists in some files as screenshots.

The spelling may yeild more of what I’m looking for.


50 posted on 01/11/2011 2:13:13 PM PST by Aleya2Fairlie
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