Skip to comments.Democrats move to limit guns, threatening language in shooting's wake
Posted on 01/11/2011 12:40:55 PM PST by neverdem
Reacting to the assassination attempt on one of their own, two House members on Monday said they will introduce legislation that would ban certain ammunition clips and make it illegal to threaten a federal official, both of which they say contributed to the mass casualties in a shooting rampage in Tuscson over the weekend.
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., plans to introduce a bill that would ban high-capacity ammunition clips like the one used by Jared Loughner, the gunman accused of killing 6 and injuring 14, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., as they gathered at a Congress on Your Corner event.
And Rep. Robert Brady, D-Pa., will introduce legislation that would make it illegal to uses threatening words or symbols or incite violence against a lawmaker or federal official.
Among the symbols Brady seeks to ban was one posted on the Internet by former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin that showed Democratic congressional districts, including Giffords, with the crosshairs of a rifle scope superimposed over them.
I want to protect our congresspeople in a way that they cant put a crosshair on us, they cant put a bullseye on us, no matter who does it, Brady said Monday on Fox News.
McCarthys bill would target the 30-round clip Loughner used in a Glock 19 handgun. The high-capacity clips were once banned by the federal Assault Weapon Ban, which expired in 2004 and was never renewed by Congress because of intense partisan politics and lawmakers reluctance to take up gun restrictions when facing reelection.
But McCarthy aides say that while she wants to ban the larger clips, McCarthy is not insisting that gun clips be limited to the 10-bullet limit imposed by the Assault Weapon Ban.
We are not married to the previous limit, her spokesman, Shams Tarek, told The Washington Examiner. We are working on language that is reasonable and makes sense and has a possibility of passing.
While gun control issues are virtually impossible to push through Congress, McCarthy, whose husband was killed in a 1993 mass shooting on the Long Island Railroad, had some success when, in 2007, she passed a measure beefing up criminal background checks for some gun buyers.
That bill passed just after the mass shooting at Virginia Tech that left 32 people dead. Gun control advocates are hoping momentum from the Tucson shooting will help pass her new proposal.
Its going to be critical to take these things up very quickly, said Ladd Everitt, spokesman for Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. Its very possible Republicans would like to run out the clock on this, but this is not going to leave the news and it is not going to leave the hearts and minds of America. We are hoping that will generate action.
Gun-rights groups said they believe McCarthys bill is unlikely to pass in a House controlled by Republicans.
These reactions are as predictable as vultures circling carrion, Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, said of McCarthys bill.
So does this mean we head to the nearest WalMart and stock up again?
If they don’t have the stones to face armed constituents, its time for them to retire.
Apparently, the RATs in the House haven’t heard that they lost the November election.
Fear the government that fears your guns.
Clearly, there should have been a pop quiz after the Constitution was read to them.
It'd be even MORE unlikely to pass in a house controlled by AMERICANS.
OK, GOP freshmen, earn your pay! Deal with these threats to the Constitution.
I hope We The People note that any politician with a D next to their name wants to steal our freedom and put themselves in as dictators.
Might be prudent. I am not sure Boehner and many in the GOP will stand against all the hysteria. I can see a "bipartisan" bill passed with unified Democrat support and enough Republicans to reach a majority.
Venezuela should welcome these Democrats with open arms.
If Sheriff Dipstick had been as serious about doing his job as he has been demonizing Rush, talk radio and Fox News, he might have discovered Loughner was threatening people, including the Congresswoman.
However, thanks to our current way of handling certifiable nutcases, they are as likely to be out on the street as in an institution. Can’t have their civil liberties violated, can we. When I lived in Phoenix 50 years ago, the answer was 24th and Van Buren, the state mental hospital.
Yeah I’m sure the nutjob would have changed his mind about shooting Gabby Giffords. After all he wouldn’t have wanted to break the law or anything.
Carolyn McCarthy is certifiable. In addition, she is a Brady Puppet.
The other guy, well, I guess he would have approed of the Alien and Sedition Acts.
Don’t take this for granted. There ARE anti-gun Republicans.
Write your congresscritters and ureg them to oppose this.
“Among the symbols Brady seeks to ban was one posted on the Internet by former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin that showed Democratic congressional districts, including Giffords, with the crosshairs of a rifle scope superimposed over them. “
It would make MORE sense to ban the name Lee, noting:
(1) Lee Harvey Oswald
(2) Ronnie Lee Gardner
(3) Jared Lee Loughner
and also middle names, noting that every deranged mass murderer (e.g. John Wayne Gacy) seems to have one.
Seems then I might need to stock up on some more ammo. Been seriously looking at either an M1A or Mini14.
Fear the one that doesn't.
Never let a good crisis go to waste- right?
I wonder if they considered limiting islam in the wake of the FtHood jihad....
They must approve of Americans being killed by Moslems. It's only when they are killed by non-Moslems that there is a problem.
IF the left doesn’t aim this AT THE PRESIDENT,
Lying sacks of #$^%$&%^#&%$#!!!!!
“So does this mean we head to the nearest WalMart and stock up again?”
I would think any magazines at Wal-Mart would be cheap Chinese junk. Only their AK mages are decent, in my experience. Try a gun store, or for a better price, a gun show!
Chicago violence Wins!!
Then there's Reverend Wright....
The there's "They bring a knife, we'll bring guns"...."Get in their face"
add 1 Republican: Pete King.
The answer is obvious. If a conservative uses such words, it would be hate speech and illegal. If a Democrat/leftist says the same thing, it is a lawful exercise of free speech. Selective enforcement would be a dream for the Marxists.
Run the clock out on this. It wouldn’t protect anyone.
ReverendJames - I have a Springfield SOCOM 16 (.308). Highly recommend it.
(now I’ll get flamed by the AR/AK fellas :)
Leftists love laws that are ambiguous,
it’s a force multiplier for them.
They are able to use “discretion” about when something is “threatening language” and when it is not.
And you’ve already stated the obvious - conservatives speaking will always be “threatening” and liberals will never be threatening.
Got that right.
Let them try to pass “Hate Speech” and Threat Rhetoric legislation. A complete violation of the Constitution. This means that they could go to prison for some of the heinous things they said about Bush.
All that I can say and will continue to say is:
Molon Labe MF’ers!
Fine weapon indeed... I also love my black rifles.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." - 2nd Amendment
I wonder what part of shall make no law or shall not be infringed they don't understand? Or, could it be that they just choose to ignore it???
Maybe we need another Congressional reading session.
I think stupid legislation like this should be bombed, shot, killed, destroyed, annihilated, and stabbed. Politically speaking.
I don’t think anyone really has faced reality as to just what has happened in the last few days. I have had to face it because of the peculiar requirements of my chosen work.
It hasn’t been caused by the shootings in Arizona, but rather, the events that transpired afterwards that brought to light some horrifying truths.
Our freedom of speech and the right to public information disappeared in a matter of hours. Go to your browser and type in “Jared Loehner”. Due to the events and interest generated in this man, his former writings should be readily available on the World Wide Web, along with various pieces of information dug up by the famous bloggers everywhere on it. We should know his shoe size and how many fillings he has in his teeth by now. Please tell me what you discover when you search. Propagandists and news organizations seem to be the only ones who are privy to any rock solid information.
The internet, as a tool of free speech and information, is dead, useless. You will now have access to only the information the Powers That Be deem fit for you to see. If the Demoncrats have their way, (and they well might) you will be AFRAID to voice even a mild criticism of any number of Socialist/Marxist/Communist agendas and manifestations for fear of reprisal in the name of “hate speech” or “sedition”. This is not an event to dread, it is an event that has already happened.
You WILL accept foreign entities that kill our law enforcement officers and citizens. You WILL accept the fact that fourteen million trespassers on American soil will be given all the rights with which Americans are endowed at the expense and sometimes the loss of your own.
Not ONLY will you accept lifestyles, cultures, ideologies and perversions that repell or offend you and defy American laws and principles, you WILL FINANCE THEM and allow them to be indoctrinated into your children AND you will pay the price tag to finance it. You WILL contribute to the procreation, livelihood, medical care, education and well-being of people who refuse to do productive work at the expense of your own family. You WILL allow minorities and illegal aliens to flaunt, disobey and ignore the laws which you yourself are bound to follow under penalty of law SIMPLY BECAUSE they are minorities. You will tolerate, finance legal aid, feed, house, provide medical care and entertainment to enemies of the United States of America who have committed crimes and acts of terrorism against it.
Any failure to follow the guidlines above, any disagreement with the tenets thereof, any writings, speech, commentary or rebellion against these rules will result in your censure, prosecution or imprisonment for “hate crimes” and “hate speech”. Parts of the Bible will be banned and not allowed to be read in religious services.
A lot has hung in the balance these last few months. However, we have made a HUGE mistake. We have underestimated the cunning, the ruthlessness, and the underhanded tactics of the Administration that is bound and determined to “fundamentally transform” The United States of America.
My prayers and hopes are centered on the present Congress of the United States. If they fail us now, we are indeed faced with the death of our country as a free nation. The wheels have already been set in motion.
Rather than agonize over making Free Republic more “modern” with more perks and more bells and whistles, we had all better be concentrating on keeping FreeRepublic just that,FREE, from tyrants who would destroy it and what it represents. That, in itself, is not going to be a small or easy task. Thanks Jim Robinson for all you have done. If my thoughts seem overly alarmist in their views, I apologize, but they reflect my grief and sorrow over where we are right now as a nation, as opposed to what we have been.
We’re going to find out just how much rhetoric was slung around in the last election.
Did they mean it when they talked conservativism? Yes or no?
I found very little when I google searched on Jared Loehner.
However, I found lots of information on Jared Loughner, including his writings (if you can call them that) as well as his videos.
DID you use the correct spelling of Jared Lee Loughner's name when you did your search, or did you misspell his name? Because with the correct spelling, I found page after page after page on or about or by him.
You are absolutely correct. These people (The Democrats & Obama) are just a carry-on of the facists, the nazi maniacs, and the communist “collective” regimes that controlled, jailed, tortured, murdered millions of innocents for control, fun and political dogma. I am, however, convinced that these haters will fail as did the Nazi’s, the Facists and the Communists and socialists added. Actually, even though there are folks that do not agree, the majority of the American people IMHO have had their fill of failed POTUS Obama and the Democrat Party. With the help of millions of loyal Americans, Obama and his Democrat Party will go down to massive political defeat in November, 2012. The burden is on “our” (the American people) good, loyal folks to rid our beloved nation of these collective progressives and would be dictators in the upcoming election cycle. The polls taken after this unfortunate American tragedy cause by a madman do not favor the American haters and destroyers at all!!! The American voter has Obama’s number and the failed dogma of the Democrat party.
The problem was that the shooter was clearly mentally ill and despite making overt threats over a period of years nothing was done by law enforcement even though they clearly knew of his condition. In former days he would have been institutionalized, but since liberal policies have emptied these mental hospitals and made such involuntary commitments difficult these seriously mentally ill people are roaming the streets.
It would seem that the MSM & Rat party are determined to make this tragedy their Reichstag moment & use it to butt rape the Constitution keep your eyes & ears open & your powder dry people cause it will get worse before it gets better.
The Democrats are in general acting like frustrated 2year olds who lash out when they don’t get what they want get a hold of your Congress idiot & remind them that you do in fact understand what they are trying to do to the Constitution.
Have no doubts that there are a bunch of RINO’s that will be happy to help them.
I hope she does exactly that. The bill will be worthless. It's magazines, NOT clips. Geeze. Don't speak/write unless you know the subject.
They are trying to legislate something they know nothing about. From this link (emphasis mine):
One of the fiercest gun control advocates in Congress, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson, Ariz., Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday targeting the high-capacity ammunition clip the gunman used.More...
Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) said hes preparing to introduce a similar bill in the Senate.More...
The only reason to have 33 bullets loaded in a handgun is to kill a lot of people very quickly, Lautenberg said in a statement. These high-capacity clips simply should not be on the market.
McCarthys spokesman confirmed that the legislation will target the high-capacity ammunition clips the Arizona gunman allegedly used in the shooting, but neither he nor the congresswoman offered any further details.Idiots!
Now, if you'll pardon me, I've got to go write legislation on rocket science.
Looks nice! I’d rather have the straight GI looking one with fiberglass stock and blued barrel. However, I’d get it glass bedded and accurized.
WalMart sells name brand rifles and shotguns. They have a gun catalog and if the gun is in it they can get it. As for ammo they have Remington,Winchester and other name brands too. I go to gun shows and their prices are a lot higher than regular gun shops including ammo. Their ammo prices are two to three dollars higher than Wally’s.
Thanks for the correction in spelling. It did yield more results but nothing of a paper trail of his life, only what has already been released by way of major news outlets.
Jared’s My Space was taken down but it exists in some files as screenshots.
The spelling may yeild more of what I’m looking for.
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