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US axes permit for Arch's giant mountain coalmine [West Virginia: Obama's EPA]
Reuters ^ | January 13, 2011 | Timothy Gardner

Posted on 01/14/2011 4:30:09 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The Obama administration revoked a permit on Thursday for Arch Coal Inc's (ACI.N) proposed Spruce 1 mountaintop coal mine in West Virginia, effectively shutting one of the biggest in the United States. "The proposed Spruce No. 1 Mine would use destructive and unsustainable mining practices that jeopardize the health of Appalachian communities and clean water on which they depend," said Peter Silvan, an assistant administrator for water, at the Environmental Protection Agency. The EPA's final ruling under the Clean Water Act came after a scientific study, a public hearing, and a review of more than 50,000 public comments, the agency said. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers had approved a permit for the mine in 2007, but it had not been fully constructed.

Lawmakers from West Virginia said the EPA's move would hurt the state's economy. "Today's EPA decision is not just fundamentally wrong, it is an unprecedented act by the federal government that will cost our state and our nation even more jobs during the worst recession in this country's history," Senator Joe Manchin, a Democrat, said in a release. Senator Jay Rockefeller, also a Democrat, wrote a letter to President Barack Obama, that said: "as a nation we must not fall into the trap of forcing unnecessary choices between protecting the environment and having good paying jobs that support energy independence." St. Louis-based Arch said it would vigorously defend the permit in court. EPA's revocation of the permit blocks an additional $250 million in investment and 250 jobs, the company said. It was the latest move by the Obama administration to crack down on mountaintop mining, in which companies blast high peaks to uncover coal seams and often toss the resulting rubble into valleys....

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: congress; democrats; economy; energy; environmentalists; globalwarming; obama; recession; treehuggers; unemployment; westvirginia
Great move during one of the coldest Winters on record!
1 posted on 01/14/2011 4:30:13 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What BS.

Arch Coal should immediately file suit against the EPA to recover their project costs to date.


2 posted on 01/14/2011 4:32:03 AM PST by Arm_Bears (I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is drinking.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How are we supposed to power our electric cars?


3 posted on 01/14/2011 4:32:34 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There have been enormous natural gas discoveries in the US recently, enough for 100 years at current consumption rates. We don’t really need coal anymore and mountain top mining is one of the more destructive methods. No great loss.


4 posted on 01/14/2011 4:33:53 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Setting a new tone for the Environmental Protection Agency, administrator Lisa Jackson directed the agency to review 150 to 200 permits for new or expanded surface mines. In letters to the Corps, she voiced particular concern with three proposals — involving miners like Massey Energy (NYSE: MEE) and Patriot Coal (NYSE: PCX) — over worries about water quality and the continuity of existing streams.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/03/26/obama-vs-coal.aspx
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More bad things to come. This is what happens when we’re so distracted with congress, we neglect to watch the other hand. This has been impending since before March 2009.


5 posted on 01/14/2011 4:34:43 AM PST by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Solar T-tops or a wind turbine on the lid of the trunk, naturally. Or if you like Mexican food, perhaps methane.


6 posted on 01/14/2011 4:34:49 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Please donate to FreeRepublic, sanity in a world gone mad!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have concluded that part of the Obama game at the highest level is a war on commodities. Oil, coal, food, etc. If allowed to continue, it will ultimately force business and voters into a position of increased dependency on government.


7 posted on 01/14/2011 4:35:17 AM PST by Liberty Ship ("Lord, make me fast and accurate.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You realize of course we’re all gonna wind up needing Federal Permission slips to use the shower......

This is a setup by the K St lobbyists for Manchin to help “sell” a solution....


8 posted on 01/14/2011 4:35:24 AM PST by mo
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To: saganite

You overlook one fact. The number one enviro cause is stop Fracking. They are working night and day to kill the gas industry to. Since it is new they have a better chance of killing it because there is not a mountain of precedent.

You seem content to roll over and die. The solution is to make the other son of a bitch die. The enviros must be crushed, ground into the dust, if America is to survive.


9 posted on 01/14/2011 4:37:37 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: mo

You do not need energy, Citizens. Please shut up, get back to work (if you have a job) and pay your taxes, Move along, Citizen.


10 posted on 01/14/2011 4:38:28 AM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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“The proposed Spruce No. 1 Mine would use destructive and unsustainable mining practices that jeopardize the health of Appalachian communities and clean water on which they depend,” said Peter Silvan.

Hey, Peter! Isn’t that for the Appalachian communities to decide for themselves? After all, the mines are in THEIR communities (and state), not yours, you green statist! Ever hear of the 10th Amendment?

Sorry, fellow FReepers, for my less than civil tone toward leftists. According to President Obama, I really need to work on that...


11 posted on 01/14/2011 4:39:32 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Coming soon! DADT...for Christians.)
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To: Liberty Ship
"I have concluded that part of the Obama game at the highest level is a war on commodities. Oil, coal, food, etc. If allowed to continue, it will ultimately force business and voters into a position of increased dependency on government."

Or civil war/insurrection/rebellion/revolution. Unlike Europe, South America or much of Asia, we are HEAVILY armed and know how to operate our weaponry. We also have millions of veterans, military, reservists, LEOs, hunters, shooting enthusiasts and others who understand small and large unit tactics, strategy, intelligence gathering, analysis and survival skills. Admiral Yamamoto was right.

12 posted on 01/14/2011 4:39:35 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Please donate to FreeRepublic, sanity in a world gone mad!)
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To: saganite

Since you’re alright with it, I guess it’s OK for the EPA to tell other people what to do with their property, eh? No great loss, eh?


13 posted on 01/14/2011 4:42:38 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Coming soon! DADT...for Christians.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dear Virginia,
The EPA and Obama will do and are doing everything possible to destroy your Economic Survival, They have just told you point blank that it is not your State, it belongs the the Feds. Maybe somebody in the Virginia Legislature should Man-Up and grow a pair. Immediately implement plans to SEIZE ALL FEDERAL PROPERTIES IN THE STATE as Well as Private Property owned by Federal Agents and Employees, All properties to be sold at Auction to Virginia Residents Only, with the Proceeds to help the People of the State of Virginia purchase ENERGY. The KELO Decision GAVE YOU THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO TAKE THEIR PROPERTY FOR ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. Everytime a Federal Employee or AGent purchases any Real Property, Seize it and Sell it. Using The KELO Decision as Justification.


14 posted on 01/14/2011 4:42:44 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Liberty Ship

Have you noticed that EVERYTHING done or being done lately is for the “health & safety of the public”? From salt and smoking bans to helmets and oil drilling/mining bans?

The new buzz words to replace “social justice”.


15 posted on 01/14/2011 4:44:13 AM PST by kevslisababy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
EPA once again rejects the safest mining option in favor of the more dangerous "dog hole" techniques of the past.

People will die because of this decision ~

16 posted on 01/14/2011 4:45:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Senator Joe Manchin, a Democrat....has just become another political stooge for Dumbo.


17 posted on 01/14/2011 4:48:46 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: CitizenUSA

If what you do on your land poisons my land, you’re damn straight I do.


18 posted on 01/14/2011 4:49:19 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

“...we don’t really need coal anymore...”
Why don’t you go back to bed
until you can think of something intelligent to say.
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“...mountain top mining...destructive...”
West Virginia needs to convert more of its unusable vertical real estate to usable horizontal real estate, even if coal was not involved in the debate.


19 posted on 01/14/2011 4:50:43 AM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Big government continues to tighten its strangle hold on our throats.


20 posted on 01/14/2011 4:53:05 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
More of hussein obama's "energy independence" work? hussein obama is a lying SOB (that's about the nicest thing you can say about him, seriously). He may say one thing, but he (and his cohorts in crime) continue to do another.

"Energy independence" {snort}... Yet we have a drilling ban, his EPA nixes the mine... hussein obama, you are a lying, big-government, fascist, socialist, un-American, anti-American {expletive}. Just over two years before your worthless backside is removed from office. President Palin has a nice ring to it.

21 posted on 01/14/2011 4:55:00 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: saganite

“There have been enormous natural gas discoveries in the US recently, enough for 100 years at current consumption rates.”

While our refining, processing and pipeline infrastructure continues to rot.


22 posted on 01/14/2011 4:55:18 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And the Idiots of West Virginia voted for that scumbag commie leftist for their Senator.

Oh well. I guess they want to live like goats in a garbage dump, grazing on moldy bits of paper.

Under President Obama (with the willing participation of the voters of the Great State of West Virginia) it’s the New American Way.


23 posted on 01/14/2011 4:55:20 AM PST by samtheman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama has an agenda and more and more it means transferring huge amounts of wealth to Mid-East countries for imported oil. Look how he has blocked all drilling for oil, not just in the Gulf, but everywhere. This is not good and augers badly for any economic recovery.
24 posted on 01/14/2011 4:55:50 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama’s punishment of states that voted against him in 2008 continues...


25 posted on 01/14/2011 4:57:17 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Liberty Ship

The defense implications of our not drilling are staggering. The more we depend on foreign energy, the more we have to bolster our defense footprint around the world, which will inevitably lead to a clash with China. Additionally, the skyrocketing price of commodities will force other countries to look to nuclear because an oil/coal based economy will be unsustainable (which will lead to nuclear weapon proliferation). Also, we are fast approaching a tipping point where inflation, driven by higher energy costs, is going to skyrocket and kill the dollar. These short sighted pinheads in this admin are killing us.


26 posted on 01/14/2011 4:57:22 AM PST by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: saganite

Got any proof this mine is going to “poison” someone’s land?


27 posted on 01/14/2011 4:57:28 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Coming soon! DADT...for Christians.)
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To: saganite

Coal has uses beyond burning to generate electricity. Natural gas can’t replace all of them.


28 posted on 01/14/2011 4:57:42 AM PST by eCSMaster (My memory's not as sharp as it used to be. Also, my memory's not as sharp as it used to be.)
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To: saganite
We don’t really need coal anymore and mountain top mining is one of the more destructive methods. No great loss.

Really? So all those coal-fired generating plants can be converted to natural gas at reasonable cost? And there are no useful derivative products from coal?

29 posted on 01/14/2011 4:58:23 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Come on Manchin. Do it. Do it. Go over to the GOP.


30 posted on 01/14/2011 4:58:25 AM PST by Reagan69 (I went to a shooting-victims' memorial service and all I got was a lousy T-shirt !)
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To: saganite

We have enormous amounts of every resource that the EPA won’t allow us to develop. Coal generation costs around 2 cents per kilowatt while NG costs around 10 cents. Which is the better producer?

Pray for America


31 posted on 01/14/2011 5:03:17 AM PST by bray (Support Palin to make heads explode on both sides,is that Blood Libel?)
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow
The defense implications of our not drilling are staggering.

Oddly, this was the same defense the oil companies used to block cheap oil imports from the Mid-East when Eisenhower was President. The oil companies said we must avoid dependence on oil from unstable Mid-Eastern countries and develop our own energy supplies. The result of Ike's oil quotas and taxes was the American consumer paid about four times as much for gasoline and other distillate fuels than would have prevailed in the absence of those free market interferences.

If you buy the military argument, we should have capped our wells in the 1950's, bought their oil at 1/4 the price, and sucked their wells dry. If we had, we'd be in the position today of uncapping our wells and telling the Mid-East countries to eat sand. Once again, politics makes things worse that had we let the market work out a solution.

32 posted on 01/14/2011 5:09:47 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The proposed Spruce No. 1 Mine would use destructive and unsustainable mining practices that jeopardize the health of Appalachian communities and clean water on which they depend...”

Yes, being unemployed in East BF West Virginia during a long recession is so much healthier...


33 posted on 01/14/2011 5:16:41 AM PST by PLMerite (Thanks for fixing the clock.)
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To: bray

That is one way to look at it. The other way is this, burn up the rest of the world’s energy first and then be one of the last nations on earth sitting on significant supplies of fossil fuels. The rest of the world can heat their homes with all their US dollars then.


34 posted on 01/14/2011 5:21:10 AM PST by RC one (What!!!!)
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To: saganite
So you believe that an overbearing bureaucracy should be created by the central State in order to stop hypothetical pollution distribution (Not just in this case mind you)? Do you believe political leaders, with authoritarian aspirations, would not use these bureaucracies to push their ideology, repress society's progress, strangle the individual business owner with regulations, manipulate data, and reward their industrial "buddies"?

Do you believe in a free society regulated by open court and class action lawsuits? If some business poisoned my land I would not be clamoring for Federal intervention because the unintended consequences are far too great for society. I would find the greediest lawyer and sue if so inclined.
35 posted on 01/14/2011 5:24:01 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: RC one

That is the most idiotic argument ever.
Do you really believe teh enviro-cultists are going to allow any energy development after the rest of the world as depleted theirs? Also, how much energy does the world have and how long do we have to wait when discoveries are happening every day.

There is most likely an unlimited supply as we become more and more efficient. Bankrupt ourselves waiting for the world to run out, now that makes alot of sense.


36 posted on 01/14/2011 5:45:53 AM PST by bray (Support Palin to make heads explode on both sides,is that Blood Libel?)
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To: CitizenUSA

If they got a permit in 2007, it was only after an exhaustive EPA review process and that requires jumping thrugh many hoops.

Lisa is going back on those issued permits and pulling them, one by one.

Who in their right mind would want to invest in coal mining if one dim witted bureacracy can just pull permits issued 4 years ago?


37 posted on 01/14/2011 5:46:25 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: saganite

Are you perhaps unaware of just how much of our electricity is generated by burning coal?

“We don’t really need coal anymore” is an absurd statement.


38 posted on 01/14/2011 6:08:21 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The “environmentalists” run Washington.


39 posted on 01/14/2011 6:27:53 AM PST by popdonnelly (Your political opponents want you to shut up.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The people of WV have elected two democrat senators. Maybe they deserve what they get.


40 posted on 01/14/2011 7:00:18 AM PST by Lucas McCain
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To: bray

I like to think of it like this, every gallon of gasoline that I burn is a gallon of gasoline that the Chinese can’t burn. Furthermore, I think you fail to understand a key aspect of conservatism; that being, TO CONSERVE. It makes no sense to burn up our indigenous resources. Arguing to use up our mineral wealth to conserve worthless paper dollars is idiotic. what’s worse, it’s just more of the same kind of short sighted pass the buck to the next generation kind of thinking that has put us in the position that we are currently in. The one thing that is perfectly clear in this world is that the exponential growth curve is running into the wall of finite resources.


41 posted on 01/14/2011 7:20:21 AM PST by RC one (What!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Today’s EPA decision is not just fundamentally wrong, it is an unprecedented act by the federal government that will cost our state and our nation even more jobs during the worst recession in this country’s history,” Senator Joe Manchin, a Democrat, said in a release” just before bending over and kissing Harry Reid’s ass.


42 posted on 01/14/2011 8:07:54 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (My baloney has a first name, it's DEMOCRAT; my baloney has a second name, it's PARTY)
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To: RC one

Apparently you have no idea of the difference between Conservatism and Eviro-extremism. There is more natural resources in our Country than we could use up in over 100 yrs by which time we will be developing other energy sources. To lock it up is insanity and got us where we are today.

You must be happy they are trying to close coal, gas, oil, nuclear and every other type of energy.

Pray for America


43 posted on 01/14/2011 8:29:16 AM PST by bray (Support Palin to make heads explode on both sides,is that Blood Libel?)
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To: Drumbo

Hardly unexpected. But day-yum!


44 posted on 01/14/2011 9:32:12 AM PST by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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