Skip to comments.Buzz Builds for Kel-Tec KSG 12ga Twin-Tube Bullpup Shotgun
Posted on 01/14/2011 5:08:26 AM PST by marktwain
TTAG loved it some Kel-Tech Sub-2000. Capt. John Raguso reckoned it was a far better choice for home defense than a shotgun: less recoil, more bullets, wieldy as a pen knife, foldable for bug-out duty, accurate, cheap, lovely! Throw in some frangible ammo to eliminate that pesky over-penetration problem and Bobs your uncle. Im getting one in 9mm, which may force me to switch from a Springfield XD-M to a Glock 19 (yes one of those), cause the Sub-2000 takes Glock mags. Anyway, the Sub-2000′s a hit. Not a runaway success, but a solid hit. But this, THIS is monster . . .
14+1 rounds from a compact shotgun? As our KSG post viewing stats and Oleg Volks fascination [below] prove, the buzz is building for this ballistic bad boy. Well make a beeline for it at SHOT. [Click here and here for more KSG gun porn]
That’s sweet. 14+1 rounds of 12 gauge in compact system and people are complaining cuz it isn’t semi-auto? Give me a break. That thing is the baddest shotgun since the street sweeper. I’m getting one. I have been shopping for a new shotgun. This is it. How fast do you really need to shoot 15 rounds of 12 gauge 4 buck anyways? That being said, when the semi-auto version comes out, I’m getting one of those too.
In 20, this could be a superb home defense choice for women.
Dangit - looks like it won’t let me link the photo. Anyone care to copy it to Photobucket?
yea beat me by 21 seconds
What’s the $$$$??.....
OK...that will be worth a look. Nifty firearm; limited application, but robust firepower, for sure.
what’s OAL on that? might be illegal in MI.
bet it kicks like a mule.
Also, are not standard 20-gauge shells the same length (2-3/4", minimum) as 12-gauge? The Aguila minis might add one shot to the tube, but in general, 12s and 20s load the same.
For later. Thanks.
So far, nothing but question marks where the photos are supposed to be.
Are you logged in?............
Now post 16 has photos, but it is the only one so far.
” That thing is the baddest shotgun since the street sweeper. Im getting one.”
I am going to buy two or three of them. I suspect they will quickly get on the Brady campaigns list of Evil Black Assault High Power High Capacity Machine Guns!
Yes, nice concept, but the video doesn’t do much to impress me. Looks like the action on the pump could use some work. Looks like it’s kind of stiff and clunky. My inexpensive Mossberg is much smoother and faster.
$880.00 MSRP from Gun Genie. Ouch. It has an accessory rail. That means you gotta buy accessories. As in, ghost sights, fore-end grip, flashlight, laser, bayonet, sling and the like. $$$
I suspect you are right.
I will reserve judgment. That straight-line stock tends to reduce perceived recoil.
Some sites will not allow their photos to be “hot-linked”.
That is probably why the Red X of Failure is showing up.
I see all the photos...............
wow that would be perfect for home defense, I wonder how the feed mechanism indexes between the two tubes?
What’s it cost?
EVERY gun is a compromise of sorts. Shotguns usually run with greatest power and speed, whilst giving up range, accuracy, ammo capacity, etc.
This gun adds concealibility (for a longarm) and ammo capacity at the cost of SPEED, and perhaps (shotgun) accuracy.
I’ll stick with my r/s Remington 870 for a while.
Ouch is right,, six months ago, I purchased a 12ga pump from WW, Mossberg Maverick, $157+tax. I bought an old Mossberg 500 plain barrel, cut it back to 18.5" measured with a dowel, JB welded a plastic BB on the end,, goes bang the last 50 tries, no problem.
Now, for less then $200, I have a hunting/defense shotgun, (just switch barrels as needed)
Must admit, the KelTec looks cool though.
Wouldn’t a home defense weapon need as wide a pattern as possible? Why not a sort of blunderbus barrel end? Worked well for our forefathers at the cabin door.
Hornady TAP (Tactical Application Police) 12 gauge 00 buck/low recoil. I use them in my Mossberg with pistol grips.
The flared “blunderbuss” barrel doesn’t actually increase the size of the spread.
Looks nifty, though.
There is a selector that allows you to choose between each tube. Center selection is no feed.
MSRP is around 800. A lot of people (such as myself) that never really liked pumps find themselves inexplicably drawn to it. Supply and demand could drive the price up.
That's what caught my attention....a very useful feature.
Selectable slugs vs. buckshot for defense, upland game vs. turkey loads for hunting.
Yep, that is interesting.
Pardon me folks but just what does this have over a Saiga 12 which is semi-auto with choice of 5,10,20 rd feeds? Ya, it looks cooler than a stock Saiga but I just don’t get the excitement.
Looks to be a lot cheaper than the Saiga
Double check your math... ;-)
Good to know. And possibly one argument in favor of the pump over semi-auto.
"Also, are not standard 20-gauge shells the same length (2-3/4", minimum) as 12-gauge? The Aguila minis might add one shot to the tube, but in general, 12s and 20s load the same."
Agreed, but my point with the 20 gauge is lower recoil and better control of the short weapon, not number of rounds available. It's fairly obvious from the video that recoil is pretty stiff.
Also good to know, but I am not convinced that 00 buck is the best load for home defense. Once upon a time many years ago, I read an article about a "great white hunter" type who led big-game safaris, and had to act as "stopper shooter" in case the client failed a kill. He said that jaguars were the most dangerous game, and he chose No.1 buck, as the greater number of wound channels gave more blood-loss and quicker kill/stop.
That logic made sense to me.
“The Aguila minis might add one shot to the tube”
They do better than that. I can get 6 minis in my 4 shot Mossy 500 tube.
I think it all depends on range.
At 15 feet, bird shot is as good as buck.
As range increases, the larger buck shot will retain more energy. There is probably a middle range where No. 1 is better than 00.
It sounds like a fun day at the range figuring out which is better at what range.
I fear this will go the way of the street sweeper. As for a spreader tube, the ATF banned, as a DD, the Magazine fed (I forget the name), of several years ago because the muzzle was too large. I want one, but You know Chill Penury.
The difference between 00 and #1 is what, 8 balls compared to 10? I don’t know it makes that much difference; individual preference I suppose. The low recoil allows faster recovery for followup shots.
Interesting story about using buckshot as a dangerous game stopper. Bleed out is a slow way to kill a charging animal. I would think the fastest stop would be brain, spinal cord or shoulder/heart shot. Teddy Roosevelt killed a jaguar with a .30-06.
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