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How to Write About Firearms - A guide for liberal columnists who donít want to sound stupid...
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | January 13, 2011 | Robert VerBruggen

Posted on 01/14/2011 7:46:27 AM PST by neverdem

How to Write About Firearms
A guide for liberal columnists who don't want to sound stupid about guns.

Usually, it’s easy for a concerned citizen to find a like-minded pundit with something interesting to say about the political controversy du jour. Except, that is, when the citizen is liberal and the controversy involves guns. If a left-of-center reader turned to his favorite pundits this week to find out what to think about the Tucson massacre and gun laws, he’d have read nothing but clichés and half-truths.

There are at least two reasons for this. First is that most of these columnists have no firsthand knowledge of guns or gun culture. Second is that they haven’t bothered to read any of the countless academic studies of gun control that have come out since John Lott published More Guns, Less Crime in 1998. Perhaps they don’t want to slog through lots of statistics, or perhaps they just don’t care about the issue.

As a gun owner and hunter, and as someone who’s spent a fair amount of time thinking and writing about the legal and empirical debates that surround guns, I’m here to help. Here are some quick and easy tips for anti-gun columnists — if you follow them, you’ll still be wrong, but at least you won’t sound so ridiculous.

1. Don’t assume criminals follow laws.

In a way, this goes right to the heart of the gun-control debate. It is a conservative talking point that only the law-abiding will follow — and thus be disarmed by — gun laws.

I’m not asking you to swallow this reasoning whole. I’m just asking that you think twice before contradicting it — especially if you’re Eugene Robinson, who recently wrote about how the Tucson shooting shows that “we must decide that allowing anyone to carry a concealed weapon, no questions asked, is just crazy.” (Or, more frighteningly, Rep. Peter King [R., N.Y.], who says he’s going to introduce a law that would simply make it illegal to bring a gun near a public official.)

Jared Loughner left his house that day intending to assassinate Representative Giffords. There is absolutely no reason to believe that a more restrictive concealed-carry regime would have changed that. If he was willing to violate laws against murder, he was willing to violate laws against concealed carry. Suggesting otherwise just shows that you haven’t bothered to think things through.

2. If you’re going to write that a certain kind of gun is particularly dangerous, consult someone who knows something about guns first. Brady Campaign spokesmen don’t count.

The gun Loughner used was a semiautomatic 9mm Glock — a weapon that countless people own for various reasons, including target shooting and self-defense. These guns typically come with 10- to 15-round magazines, but they’re capable of accepting larger ones. The fact that they’re “semiautomatic” means they fire one bullet for each pull of the trigger. I own a very similar handgun myself (a 9mm Ruger P95), along with a 30-round magazine; if I fill the magazine before I get to the shooting range, it cuts down on the time I spend reloading on-site.

But Alan Webber complains in the Washington Post about “semi-automatic handguns that serve only one purpose — to shoot and kill innocent people.” The New York Times’s Gail Collins refers to Loughner’s gun as distinct from a “regular pistol,” the kind “most Americans think of when they think of the right to bear arms.” Semiautomatic handguns are “extremely easy to fire over and over” and can carry 30-round magazines, she explains.

Perhaps the most egregious example of this came from someone who knew better: the Brady Campaign’s president, Paul Helmke, who in Collins’s column is quoted claiming that 9mm semiautomatics are “not suited for hunting or personal protection” and that “what it’s good for is killing and injuring a lot of people quickly.” If 9mm Glocks aren’t suited for protecting oneself and others, someone should tell the nation’s police departments, many of which use them — and many more of which use .40-caliber Glocks, which are similar but slightly more powerful.

3. Don’t prattle on about “hunting” or “sport” — and more generally, don’t forget about self-defense.

Robinson is an offender on this count: “We must recognize the obvious distinction between rifles, shotguns and target pistols used for sport on the one hand, and semiautomatic handguns designed for killing people on the other.” (An aside: I think it’s less than obvious that my pistol, which I love shooting at targets, is not suitable for “sport,” and that traditional target pistols are not suitable for killing people.)

But the prize goes to Collins, who actually suggests that gun-grabbers and gun-rights supporters should cooperate to pass laws based on this distinction: “We should be able to find a way to accommodate the strong desire in many parts of the country for easy access to firearms with sane regulation of the kinds of weapons that make it easiest for crazy people to create mass slaughter.”

Sorry, but no. It’s true that many gun-rights enthusiasts are also hunters, but the “strong desire” to preserve gun rights stems from the need for self-defense, not for killing Bambi. We’re actually most protective of guns that are designed to kill people — because we want them in case we need to kill someone to defend ourselves or our families. The Supreme Court has affirmed our Second Amendment right to keep handguns in our homes for this purpose.

And we do use guns for self-defense. Various surveys come to various numbers, but it’s clear that thousands — possibly hundreds of thousands — of defensive gun uses occur every year. And that’s not even counting the crimes that don’t happen because criminals are afraid their victims might be armed.

You can make a plausible case that keeping guns away from law-abiding citizens will keep guns away from some criminals, too — many guns are stolen every year — but this must be weighed against the good that comes from responsible gun ownership. When you write a column about guns — no matter what side you’re on — you need to evaluate this tradeoff.

4. When you think about mental health, think about due process, too.

In the last day or so, some evidence has come to light indicating that the police may have dropped the ball — if they had followed up on some complaints that were made against Loughner, they may have been able to prosecute him for a crime or force him to accept mental-health treatment. Had they done so, it’s possible he would have ended up in the database of people who are not allowed to buy guns, and it’s even possible that he wouldn’t have been able to get a gun illegally (given that we know of no underworld ties or friends who would have bought a firearm for him).

But some liberals seem to think he should have been turned down for the gun solely on the grounds that people found him creepy or menacing. Robinson notes that

Loughner reportedly had a history of drug use and bizarre behavior. Students and a teacher at a community college that Loughner briefly attended found him so erratic, confused, menacing and potentially violent that they persuaded college authorities to bar him from campus pending a psychiatric exam.

He follows with: “Yet on Nov. 30, he was able to walk into Sportsman’s Warehouse in Tucson and purchase the weapon” (emphasis added), as though the judgments of “students,” “a teacher,” and “college authorities” should be sufficient to deprive one of constitutional rights.

Richard Cohen thinks that gun buyers should face “real questions” in addition to a background check. He facetiously proposes the following:

Do you think the government controls grammar and grammar controls the universe? Have you been babbling in class and can you hold a job? Why do you want this gun? Do you, perhaps, want to kill someone? Do you want a Glock 19 because it was one of two handguns used in the Virginia Tech massacre (32 killed, one suicide), and would you please state the name of your intended victim on the form provided?

A constitutional right cannot be revoked for “babbling in class” or failing to “hold a job,” or even for holding out-there beliefs — and though these questions aren’t asked in seriousness, it’s hard to imagine what questions would have gotten Loughner to confess to being a homicidal maniac, or why a gun seller (or government bureaucrat) should be presumed capable of judging the sanity of a customer when rights are at stake.

Yes, we should have a better process for keeping guns away from dangerous and imbalanced people, but we have to stay away from a very slippery slope: By one estimate based on high-school students, nearly one-quarter of people are mentally ill in some sense of the term. Very few of them are potentially violent.

There is room for debate about gun control. The Supreme Court has left many restrictions on the table. But when left-wing columnists — the people many liberals rely on for opinions — can’t stop spouting the same clichés they’ve been filling their columns with for decades, we cannot have a useful conversation. They need to improve their output, and these rules will help them move in that direction.

— Robert VerBruggen, an NR associate editor, runs the Phi Beta Cons blog.

EDITOR’S NOTE: This article has been amended since its original posting.



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1 posted on 01/14/2011 7:46:34 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Thanks, neverdem!


2 posted on 01/14/2011 7:49:57 AM PST by Miss_Meyet (Currently between taglines)
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To: Miss_Meyet

Used to have a book in my collection (God knows where it is now!) that was a glossary of terms about firearms that was aimed at fiction writers who wanted their work to be factually correct. If I can find it, or another copy, I would be more than happy give out the title so others can check it out as well,


3 posted on 01/14/2011 7:53:32 AM PST by JayVee (Joseph)
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To: neverdem
Jared Loughner left his house that day intending to assassinate Representative Giffords. There is absolutely no reason to believe that a more restrictive concealed-carry regime would have changed that. If he was willing to violate laws against murder, he was willing to violate laws against concealed carry. Suggesting otherwise just shows that you haven’t bothered to think things through.

No, it shows that you are STUPID!

4 posted on 01/14/2011 7:54:50 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: neverdem

I’m not, by any measure, a gun expert, but I’ve read some unbelieveable cr@p on CNN and other leftist websites. It seems that they literally know NOTHING about guns. I had no idea that anyone could be so friggin ignorant about a fairly simple subject.


5 posted on 01/14/2011 7:55:10 AM PST by Celtic Cross
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To: neverdem

***I own a very similar handgun myself (a 9mm Ruger P95), along with a 30-round magazine; if I fill the magazine before I get to the shooting range,***

The author is an idiot. Doesn’t he know that no one is ever killed by the first 10 rounds fired from a magazine? It is the rounds at the bottom of the 15-30 round magazines that do all the killing.

Sarc/off


6 posted on 01/14/2011 7:55:13 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: neverdem
And please, "journalists," stop using the "guide" below:


7 posted on 01/14/2011 7:55:28 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Great article.

The lefty journalists will never read it, much less adhere to it.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

8 posted on 01/14/2011 7:56:28 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem

In fact, here's all a liberal columnist knows or thinks he needs to
know to write about firearms

9 posted on 01/14/2011 7:56:57 AM PST by Zakeet (Always trust in the five G's: God, Gold, Guns, Grub, and the Government screwing up)
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To: Miss_Meyet
...Or, more frighteningly, Rep. Peter King [R., N.Y.], who says he’s going to introduce a law that would simply make it illegal to bring a gun near a public official.

I have to say I was unpleasantly surprised by this news a couple of days ago.

When I said I was waiting to be surprised by the new GOP House Majority, I had hoped I would be happily surprised. Guess I should have made myself clear.

10 posted on 01/14/2011 7:58:31 AM PST by Miss_Meyet (..an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.Quote fromSomeone famous)
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To: neverdem
A guide for liberal columnists who don't want to sound stupid about guns.

I can some up everything they need to do to accomplish this in four words:

DON'T
WRITE
ABOUT
GUNS

Simple enough that even a liberal can understand it!

11 posted on 01/14/2011 8:00:07 AM PST by ssaftler (Is "Audacity of Hope" English for "Mein Kampf"?)
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To: JayVee

Point #5: A “clip” is something that holds papers together. A “banana clip” is something that holds bananas together.

Point #6: An “assault rifle” is a weapon that has a three-position selector switch, not something that looks like it ha a three-position selector switch.


12 posted on 01/14/2011 8:00:16 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Miss_Meyet

Peter King is an embarrassment. He needs to go. By “needs to go”, I am referring to the voters in his district picking someone else in their next primary election.

I don’t mean to insinuate anything violent as I know the feds have right-wingers on the Internet in their crosshairs and have us targeted for bad-scary-speech that makes mother Pelosi cry.


13 posted on 01/14/2011 8:04:01 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Terrorists don't commit genocide. That's what governments do.)
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To: JayVee
Used to have a book in my collection (God knows where it is now!) that was a glossary of terms about firearms that was aimed at fiction writers who wanted their work to be factually correct.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation has an online guide, too.

14 posted on 01/14/2011 8:05:24 AM PST by Miss_Meyet (..an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.Quote fromSomeone famous)
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To: neverdem
9mm semiautomatics are “not suited for hunting or personal protection” and that “what it’s good for is killing and injuring a lot of people quickly.”

I wonder if the author even realizes how STUPID they sound. Do they not realize the "killing and injuring a lot of people quickly" is EXACTLY what you want to do in a situation where you need a firearm?

15 posted on 01/14/2011 8:05:37 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: neverdem
The fact that they’re “semiautomatic” means they fire one bullet for each pull of the trigger.

My semi:


16 posted on 01/14/2011 8:05:38 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: neverdem

for liberal columnists who don’t want to sound stupid

Is that possible in any case?


17 posted on 01/14/2011 8:05:38 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: neverdem

It was largely the media’s reporting on guns and the military that caused me to question all information they produce on evey subject. If they cannot accurately report relatively simple facts like gun nomenclature, how can we trust them to accurately report more complex information?


18 posted on 01/14/2011 8:08:56 AM PST by matt1234 (0bama's bunker phase: Nov. 2010 - Jan. 2013)
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To: MichiganConservative
Peter King is an embarrassment. He needs to go.
By “needs to go”, I am referring to the voters in his district picking someone else in their next primary election.

Wow! In light of everything that's happened lately, I'm really, really glad you clarified that. I thought that you meant he needed to visit the men's room...

19 posted on 01/14/2011 8:09:50 AM PST by Miss_Meyet (..an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.Quote fromSomeone famous)
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To: MichiganConservative

Imagine if our “revolutionary” forefathers like Thomas Paine had never been allowed allowed to say; (Give me Liberty, or give me death!) but of course the MSM geniuses would define this slogan as a declaration of committing suicide. But should be deeply investigated and evaluated any way.


20 posted on 01/14/2011 8:10:20 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2! (Cause I'm a nutcase....))
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To: JayVee
Is it the book from the Howdunit series?

Armed and Dangerous: A Writer's Guide to Weapons
Howdunit Book of Police Procedure and Investigation: A Guide for Writers
HowDunit - The Book of Poisons
Howdunit: How Crimes Are Committed and Solved

And some others

21 posted on 01/14/2011 8:11:22 AM PST by omega4412
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To: neverdem

I saw a comment yesterday in support of stricter gun control laws. The person said that Loughner hadn’t broken any laws up until he pulled the trigger, pointing out that he was in legal possession of the gun. I personally stand by the 2nd amendment but what should one say to someone who’s using that argument?


22 posted on 01/14/2011 8:13:16 AM PST by RoseyT
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To: SeeSac

The fact that they’re “semiautomatic” means they fire one bullet for each pull of the trigger

You hit on one of my pet peeves. By that description a bolt action rifle is semi automatic; even a single shot rifle.


23 posted on 01/14/2011 8:14:01 AM PST by csmusaret (Q: How do they say incompetent failure in Kenya? A: Barack Obama)
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To: Bitsy

I had a brother in law that lamented “why would anyone need a semi-automatic?”

I knew he was a firearm illiterate, so I asked him what “semi-automatic” meant to him. (obviously, he had in mind “select fire”)

To his credit he answered that he didn’t know.
After I explained it to him, he appeared very confused about his anti-gun mentality, but didn’t relinquish it. I don’t know if our little talk “stuck” or not.


24 posted on 01/14/2011 8:15:16 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Miss_Meyet

You can bet that the FBI/ATF now has a full time lurker watching these threads because of all us “Right Wing Extremists” ranting threats at the Gubbermint!

Then, if they ever look at my background, they would find that it was they who trained me and made me. And it is their fault............


25 posted on 01/14/2011 8:15:58 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2! (Cause I'm a nutcase....))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Personally, I do not wager against a sure thing.


26 posted on 01/14/2011 8:17:34 AM PST by Miss_Meyet (..an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.Quote fromSomeone famous)
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To: neverdem

There’s no way to prevent a leftist from sounding stupid.


27 posted on 01/14/2011 8:19:07 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: csmusaret

“self loading with a detachable magazine” is too much of a mouthful for these folks though.


28 posted on 01/14/2011 8:20:04 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Miss_Meyet

And I have nothing to hide. It’s all on the record. Including my old “Top Secret” Security Clearance which is still in my file at the Archives.


29 posted on 01/14/2011 8:20:48 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2! (Cause I'm a nutcase....))
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To: neverdem

I heard one news story that said it was an assault rifle used.. These people know nothing about weapons. They only know they hate them.


30 posted on 01/14/2011 8:22:53 AM PST by crazydad
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To: csmusaret
You hit on one of my pet peeves. By that description a bolt action rifle is semi automatic; even a single shot rifle

Yes. That was my point why I posted a single-shot revolver photo.

31 posted on 01/14/2011 8:27:12 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac

Your semi has a “needs to be cocked” single action safety there pardner!


32 posted on 01/14/2011 8:30:37 AM PST by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: snowrip
Point #5: A “clip” is something that holds papers together.

Some CLIPS hold cartridges, not paper.

This is a picture of empty CLIPS:

This is a picture of CLIPS loaded with cartridges:


33 posted on 01/14/2011 8:31:39 AM PST by Iron Munro (When a society loses its memory, it descends inevitably into dementia - Mark Steyn)
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To: RoseyT
I saw a comment yesterday in support of stricter gun control laws. The person said that Loughner hadn’t broken any laws up until he pulled the trigger, pointing out that he was in legal possession of the gun.

What does such a person say about gun laws that already exist and are not enforced? What good is another one?

The libs predictably use high-profile shooting cases to get more laws passed, laws which they don't enforce, because they really need the violence to get what they really want: a total ban.

THAT would be enforced, bet on it.

As to Loughner being legally in possession, the laws on background checks don't operate if there is no background. That was because the sheriff didn't do his job, which meant that Loughner's bizarre goings-on were not flagged in the database.

34 posted on 01/14/2011 8:32:52 AM PST by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: neverdem

I glued a little plastic face of Hello Kitty to my Glock 19. Will that make it less scary to antigunners?


35 posted on 01/14/2011 8:35:29 AM PST by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: neverdem
How’s this for a prima facie example:

Gail Collins: And it certainly would also have to involve a conversation over a technology that can turn a pistol into the equivalent of a somewhat slow-moving machine gun.

A somewhat slow-moving machine gun?

36 posted on 01/14/2011 8:36:19 AM PST by StaffiT (New Year, New Name)
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To: pingman
Your semi has a “needs to be cocked” single action safety there pardner!

Uh, I know that. I have been shooting single-shot revolvers for almost 60 years. I have a Ruger .22 single-six from the first year of production and also a Blackhawk .357 from the first year of production in addition to several others. I grew up in the days that you NEVER put six cartridges into a six shooter, always leaving an empty chamber under the hammer ... for safety.

37 posted on 01/14/2011 8:37:33 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: MichiganConservative
>>>By “needs to go”, I am referring to the voters in his district picking someone else in their next primary election.<<<

As I'm sure you know, a common term used for encouraging voters to pick someone else in a primary is “targeting”. Since you have essentially called for “targeting” Rep. King, you have used violent, “vitriolic” and “uncivil” language that could lead (practically compel, actually) some unbalanced person to try to kill him (Unless that 1,000 foot law can be quickly passed, as we know homicidal lunatics have the utmost respect such boundaries). Shame on you! /sarc

38 posted on 01/14/2011 8:38:47 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: neverdem
Good article.

A guide for liberal columnists who don’t want to sound stupid...

Unfortunately, his target audience (so to speak) is vanishingly small.

39 posted on 01/14/2011 8:39:31 AM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: StaffiT

I think Gail Collins is in need of some sort of award for journalistic cluelessness with her comments this week. Talk about finding new lows.


40 posted on 01/14/2011 8:39:31 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Terrorists don't commit genocide. That's what governments do.)
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To: thulldud
The person said that Loughner hadn’t broken any laws up until he pulled the trigger, pointing out that he was in legal possession of the gun.

Suggest gently that his pulling the trigger was the real problem.

41 posted on 01/14/2011 8:41:09 AM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: neverdem
Semiautomatic handguns are “extremely easy to fire over and over” and can carry 30-round magazines, she explains.

Must be related to Katie Couric, who, when talking with a gun expert during the D.C. shootings: "I understand that these rifles (Ar-15) are deadly because they have spirals [in the barrel].

Mother of God.

42 posted on 01/14/2011 8:41:37 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." ¬ĖBertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: RoseyT
I saw a comment yesterday in support of stricter gun control laws. The person said that Loughner hadn’t broken any laws up until he pulled the trigger, pointing out that he was in legal possession of the gun. I personally stand by the 2nd amendment but what should one say to someone who’s using that argument?

Had the sheriff done his job and arrested Loughner for either the drup offenses or the threats he had made in the past, Loughner would have had a criminal record that would have prohibited him from legally buying the gun.

In the course of prosecuting any of his previous offenses, a court-ordered psych eval would have added to his difficulties in getting the gun.

43 posted on 01/14/2011 8:43:07 AM PST by Bob
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To: RoseyT
Try this. I've found it to be pretty effective on the loons.

The Germans outlawed guns in the Warsaw ghetto and killed anyone they found with a gun.

Is that your next step when gun control doesn't work?

44 posted on 01/14/2011 8:43:13 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: RoseyT

“I saw a comment yesterday in support of stricter gun control laws. The person said that Loughner hadn’t broken any laws up until he pulled the trigger, pointing out that he was in legal possession of the gun. I personally stand by the 2nd amendment but what should one say to someone who’s using that argument?”

That while the point is true, it’s a red herring. Say there was a law he broke — or a thousand of them — would that have slowed him down one iota? Nope. So the argument makes a point that has no relation to the situation.


45 posted on 01/14/2011 8:43:19 AM PST by piytar (0's idea of power: the capacity to inflict unlimited pain and suffering on another human being. 1984)
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To: SeeSac

Never heard them referred to as “ single shot”, only “single action”. As to the empty chamber rule, it’s a good habit fer sure, even with modern revolvers with rebounding safety hammers. Doesn’t pay to push yer luck.


46 posted on 01/14/2011 8:43:58 AM PST by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: Oatka

Yessirree Bob; can’t beat an Ivy League education!


47 posted on 01/14/2011 8:45:33 AM PST by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: RoseyT

The person said that Loughner hadn’t broken any laws up until he pulled the trigger, pointing out that he was in legal possession of the gun. I personally stand by the 2nd amendment but what should one say to someone who’s using that argument?


I’d reply:
“What, you’d rather he ran a stop sign on the way to the murder, too?”

Don’t fall for their false logic that if there had been other laws for him to break, that he would have been caught for breaking the laws. For instance, someone who sets out to shoot someone (in, say California) who puts the gun in the coat pocket on the way, in violation of concealed carry prohibitions is unaffected by the law, and no less likely to commit the crime than if the carry mode were legal.


48 posted on 01/14/2011 8:46:34 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: neverdem
we cannot have a useful conversation.

What makes this writer think that liberals want to have a useful conversation? In almost all cases, they deliberately distort the issue in the pursuit of banning just about all ownership and use of guns for self-defense purposes.

49 posted on 01/14/2011 8:47:12 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: RoseyT
I saw a comment yesterday in support of stricter gun control laws. The person said that Loughner hadn’t broken any laws up until he pulled the trigger, pointing out that he was in legal possession of the gun. I personally stand by the 2nd amendment but what should one say to someone who’s using that argument?

The point is that he broke the law, the most serious law of all. If he was willing to do that what makes them think he would obey any law they would choose to impose? He could have easily purchased a stolen gun or stolen one himself.

If they are really serious about laws to reduce murder ask them if they would support streamlining death penalty executions and holding them in public in the county where they occurred.

Unfortunately, not even that deterrent would have worked in this case in all likelihood.

50 posted on 01/14/2011 8:47:19 AM PST by LTCJ (The Constitution; first, last, always.)
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