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California may have the highest costs for charging electric vehicles, study says
La Times ^ | 1/14/11 | Tiffany Hsu

Posted on 01/14/2011 9:14:22 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Californians may end up paying the highest electricity rates in the country to charge their electric vehicles, a new study says.

The state's tiered rate system, in which customers are charged higher rates as they use more electricity, could make plug-in hybrid and battery-powered vehicles more costly to own, according to a Purdue University study.

The study was unveiled as the first of the electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles are reaching consumers. Two vehicles, the all-electric Nissan Leaf and the plug-in hybrid Chevrolet Volt, started being delivered to their first customers last month.

Electric-car makers and utilities said most owners will probably charge their vehicles at night when the rates are lower. But because of the tiered rate system, their electricity bills will still probably be high.

California households pay steeper rates for their electricity compared with other states — about 35% more than the national average, according to the study.

"The tiered system was put in because California wanted to be green and discourage electricity consumption," said Wally Tyner, an energy economist and lead researcher on the study. "The unintended consequence is that it also discourages electric vehicles."

A plug-in hybrid Volt would increase the average household's electrical usage 60%, the study said. Although the study didn't explicitly examine all-electric vehicles such as the Leaf, "the same principle would apply," Tyner said.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; charging; electricity; electricvehicles; highestcosts
Green Power. and here you thought all this new tech stuff was free!!

one more example of how the Golden State has been driven to the edge of idiocy and beyond.. unintended consequences? maybe not..

karma, baby, karma.

1 posted on 01/14/2011 9:14:25 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Heck going green is expensive. Read in yesterday’s OCR that the city of San Clemente charges a 14,000 permit fee to install solar power on your own home.


2 posted on 01/14/2011 9:17:33 AM PST by edcoil (Democrat's and vampires should never be invited in your home.)
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To: NormsRevenge

How do you recharge your car during a rolling blackout?


3 posted on 01/14/2011 9:19:37 AM PST by Mr. K ("...but Brondo has what plants crave")
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btw,

There is no shortage of energy in the form of electricity and sources to produce it.. only a lack of resolve to use the resources readily available and build the new technology nuclear power plants and clean coal plants and LNG terminals..

but that is a vision thingy, many still can’t get by 3 Mile Island or Chernobyl in their teeny little brains... a vision which the Gubinator held along with other who retain the reins of state gubamint and demanded that we had to go renewable.

Define renewable? too bad politicos weren’t also “renewable”.


4 posted on 01/14/2011 9:21:06 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Mr. K

You simply keep driving to stay ahead of the blackout.


5 posted on 01/14/2011 9:21:35 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Mr. K

they need an emergency pedal-powered generator in the trunk.


6 posted on 01/14/2011 9:22:20 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The unintended consequence is that it also discourages electric vehicles.
With the government, nothing is unintended.


7 posted on 01/14/2011 9:22:34 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: edcoil

I saw that.

OC Register

Which cities charge exhorbitant fees for solar permits?
http://taxdollars.ocregister.com/2011/01/13/which-cities-charge-exhorbitant-solar-permit-fees/72540/


8 posted on 01/14/2011 9:24:35 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: edcoil

Is that $14,000.00. REALLY?


9 posted on 01/14/2011 9:29:27 AM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: edcoil
Going Green means, Gotcha’ coming — Gotcha’ going. Its nothing more than a gubment scam. We are idiots for ever letting this nonsense getting to first base.
10 posted on 01/14/2011 9:30:11 AM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The economic case for a plug in hybrid is tenuous enough with the extra upfront cost of these vehicles. Basically there was no advantage, with average electricty costs.

Now, in CA with thier punish the rich electric pricing structure; you have to pay big to be green. Right.

Note: I was a PG&E customer for 20 years.


11 posted on 01/14/2011 9:50:20 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: NormsRevenge

Everyone will probably have to pay a 5-10 dollar tax on their bill that will go toward charging electric cars owned by the “indigent”.


12 posted on 01/14/2011 10:02:36 AM PST by Califreak (November 2008 proved that Idiocracy isn't just a movie anymore)
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To: NormsRevenge

Anything over about 560 kilowatt hours a month puts you into tier 4 with California’s PG&E. Tier 4 is just over $0.40 per kilowatt hour. Tier 5 was recently lowered from over 49 cents per kwh to be the same as tier 4.

That 560 kilowatt hours per month will run your fridge, a few lights a TV and a computer, but not much else. Certainly not an electric car.

This is why it can actually make economic sense to buy a solar system in CA, but fueling an electric car in CA could end up way more expensive than gas or diesel.

We put in an 8.1 KW solar system at the Easy Street residence last year, which is expected to generate around 11.5 megawatt hours per year, and it took our PG&E bill from over $700 a month down to $100-$200 per month. (Even lower in summer months.) Adding an electric car to our stable would put us right back into the top tiers again.


13 posted on 01/14/2011 10:02:51 AM PST by EasySt (2012... Sometimes you have to flush twice.)
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To: EasySt

Also , every few years many thousands goes to having new batteries installed, how many have Ni MHi AA cells laying around that just don’t perform very well anymore?


14 posted on 01/14/2011 10:39:02 AM PST by de.rm (Bang, bang, . . bang. Shhh=Bush, the elder, E. Howard Hunt, LBJ, Mrs, Edgar Hoover)
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To: NormsRevenge

So, then it might be cheaper to charge your hybrid by running the gasoline engine. Cool!


15 posted on 01/14/2011 10:47:57 AM PST by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Wait till AB32 really gets going. For those that don't know its Kalifornias answer to global warming. It will administered by California's Air Resources Board. They are the same folks that used fraudulent data from a fake PHD to set policy. All those Volt and Leaf owners are in for a rude awakening. :)
16 posted on 01/14/2011 10:49:53 AM PST by Polynikes (Haakkaa Paalle)
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To: edcoil

Heck going green is expensive
No joke, I did a study and asked for a proposal on our home, cost roughly $40,000 and would be obsolete in about 20 years, so that is $2,000 per year (paid up front) /by 12 = $166 cost per moth, my current bill is about $30-$50 per month


17 posted on 01/14/2011 10:50:18 AM PST by Jolla
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To: cicero2k
you have to pay big to be green. Right.

But we have hundreds of windmills, and you can use that electricity produced by the wind farms, of course you have to pay a small premium. As if they can tell which electrons in the grid come from the windmills.

People do actually pay the extra, because they think they are helping save the planet. I will be out of this state at last in the next 90 days.

18 posted on 01/14/2011 11:03:07 AM PST by itsahoot (We the people, allowed Republican leadership to get us here, only God's Grace can get us out.)
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To: cicero2k

It’s ironic that Jerry Brown had a chance for California to be a partner in the Palo Verde nuclear plant in Arizona when he was governor in the 70s. He didn’t want any part of nuclear power. He’s governor again and thanks to his policies, California doesn’t have enough generating capacity so CA buys power from PV. My brother works for Salt River Project at Palo Verde and says they charge California a pretty penny for the power. Imagine all of the jobs that could be created if we started building nuclear power plants, gasoline refineries, and started drilling for oil and natural gas here. Instead, our high energy costs have sent the manufacturing offshore. in 2012, we need to continually ask Obama “What happened to all of the “green” jobs you promised?”


19 posted on 01/14/2011 11:21:24 AM PST by Conservative Vet
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To: NormsRevenge

I would love to know how many people who live in California know where electricity comes from. I think you would be amazed. ( ... or maybe not).


20 posted on 01/14/2011 11:23:23 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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To: Conservative Vet
It’s ironic that Jerry Brown had a chance for California to be a partner in the Palo Verde nuclear plant in Arizona when he was governor in the 70s. He didn’t want any part of nuclear power. He’s governor again and thanks to his policies, California doesn’t have enough generating capacity so CA buys power from PV. My brother works for Salt River Project at Palo Verde and says they charge California a pretty penny for the power.

SRP owns 15.5% of PVNGS, California utilities own 27.4%.

21 posted on 01/14/2011 11:31:46 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

My son said something in his class about coal burning power plants supplying electricity for cars. That kind of made the greenie teacher stop and think for a minute before he glared at him.


22 posted on 01/14/2011 11:48:59 AM PST by Califreak (November 2008 proved that Idiocracy isn't just a movie anymore)
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To: NormsRevenge

More unintended consequences.......


23 posted on 01/14/2011 12:11:48 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Mr. K
How do you recharge your car during a rolling blackout?

Intermittently.

Or, with a backup generator. :-)

24 posted on 01/14/2011 12:14:09 PM PST by meyer (Obama - the Schwartz is with him.)
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To: EasySt
Anything over about 560 kilowatt hours a month puts you into tier 4 with California’s PG&E. Tier 4 is just over $0.40 per kilowatt hour. Tier 5 was recently lowered from over 49 cents per kwh to be the same as tier 4.

Outragous! Residential rates around here, including all fees and charges, are around 9.5 cents per KWH. If the tree-hugging commie, eco-fascists in your state were run off, you, too, could enjoy rates near the national average.

25 posted on 01/14/2011 12:16:30 PM PST by meyer (Obama - the Schwartz is with him.)
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To: meyer

“The tiered system was put in because California wanted to be green and discourage electricity consumption,” said Wally Tyner, an energy economist and lead researcher on the study. “The unintended consequence is that it also discourages electric vehicles.”

Well first off.....that is a lie.The tiered system was put in to pay for the billions of dollars that the state used to bail out the utility companies. The rates were supposed to go back down after the bill was paid.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2001-03-25/news/17589330_1_power-bills-rate-system-pg-e


26 posted on 01/14/2011 2:27:43 PM PST by sheana
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To: meyer

http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jun/20/local/me-12632

Another article on it. Someone needs to check and see when these loans will be pd for. I did yrs ago but forget now when they told me they would be paid off.


27 posted on 01/14/2011 2:37:55 PM PST by sheana
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To: Conservative Vet
He’s governor again and thanks to his policies, California doesn’t have enough generating capacity so CA buys power from PV.

I came to CA in 1987 to help restart the Rancho Seco Nuclear plant near Sacramento.

Then in June 1989 while at 100% power the voters of that fine state, on a ballot initiative; asked for the plant to be shut down.

The media basically did all they could to make the plant operator look bad, over things like purchasing uniforms for staff.

So CA voters got what they wanted.

I finally left the state for a much more sane Colorado in 2008.

28 posted on 01/15/2011 9:13:59 AM PST by cicero2k
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