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Loughner video with 'genocide' and 'torture' ramblings is released
LA Times ^ | 1/14/2011 | Maeve Reston and Rong-Gong Lin II

Posted on 01/14/2011 7:24:06 PM PST by Tolsti2

YouTube video that prompted the suspension of Tucson shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner in September was released Friday by officials at Pima Community College and included rambling statements such as "We are examining the torture of students" and "This is genocide in America."

The video, no longer on the website, was released to The Times following a public records request and offers the extended example of Loughner's voice.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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Don't forget how the media/left tried to pin this stuff on conservatives. What a disgrace.

1 posted on 01/14/2011 7:24:07 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

He was a stark raving libtard truther moonbat.


2 posted on 01/14/2011 7:35:49 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Tolsti2

In the video, Loughner states, “The war that we are in right now is currently illegal under the Constitution”;

LIBTARD.


3 posted on 01/14/2011 7:38:56 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Tolsti2

He’s borderline mentally retarded. I don’t know how anyone as dumb as that could earn a B in anything. Nevermind he is crazy. Actually, I think his mental problems are not as serious as his low intellect. I think his IQ is more responsible for his actions that day in tucson than his mental health.


4 posted on 01/14/2011 7:46:12 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

Years of daily pot smoking and self inflicted alcohol poisoning is likely the reason for his fried brain.


5 posted on 01/14/2011 7:47:28 PM PST by CajunConservative (0, we'll stop treating you like a dog, when you stop treating us like a hydrant.)
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To: Crim
"In the video, Loughner states, “The war that we are in right now is currently illegal under the Constitution”;"

Seems to me I hear Libertarians say the same thing.

6 posted on 01/14/2011 7:47:39 PM PST by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: Spunky

He was a registered independent. *cough*Paultard*cough* is a possibility. Just sayin’


7 posted on 01/14/2011 7:49:23 PM PST by CajunConservative (0, we'll stop treating you like a dog, when you stop treating us like a hydrant.)
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To: Spunky

And the pot stuff is relatively similar. He could be somewhat ‘libertarian’ I suppose, but mostly schizophrenic.

I’ve never agreed with much libertarianism/pothead thinking though. Liberalism/libertarianism/pothead thinking are all completely the opposite of conseravatism, at least the Reagan-style I think of.


8 posted on 01/14/2011 7:49:58 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Crim

In the video, Loughner states, “The war that we are in right now is currently illegal under the Constitution”;
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My interpretation of that statement was that he was talking about his own personal war with the school and the school police. I think he was actually trying to declare war with the school using the US constitution as a pretext.


9 posted on 01/14/2011 7:50:42 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

No he’s said it before...under the name “erad3”

And people who knpow him personally describe him as “liberal” “radical leftist” “nilihist”....

Tea party members just arent into Nietzsche....


10 posted on 01/14/2011 8:00:37 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

I imagine this guy was high on weed 24/7 for the longest time. That problem helped fuel the schizophrenia which led to this whole insanity.

Which led to politicians now attacking the 1st/2nd.

And people wonder why I hate pot and its users.


11 posted on 01/14/2011 8:03:01 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

Tonight is the first time I have heard the word “shaboozie” (sic?). The shooter said that and I can’t find a real definition except for a link to rap. Must mean something!


12 posted on 01/14/2011 8:08:22 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Tolsti2

Well then...hate me too...been smoking for over 30 years...aint killed anyone...

Yet.

(I’m also a certified NRA pistol instructor and an Electrician)

Pot didnt shoot anyone...loughner did...

And dont even THINK about dissing my conservatism.

The late William Buckely agrees with me....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-dtU_esJ8

And tax cheat Charlie Rangle agrees with you....

hrm...


13 posted on 01/14/2011 8:10:09 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: JouleZ

Sounds like schizophrenic word salad to me. They create words all the time and associate deep meaning to them.


14 posted on 01/14/2011 8:10:11 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Crim

Eh, well my opinion of you is lower than dirt for being a user.

You’ve obviously liked on your forms for gun ownership which asks about pot use.

Some guy you are, eh?

Am I supposed to believe an admitted criminal and liar like yourself?


15 posted on 01/14/2011 8:11:55 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Crim

And people who knpow him personally describe him as “liberal” “radical leftist” “nilihist”....
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I’m not disputing that. I just don’t think he was talking about the current US military operations in the middle east. it wouldn’t make any sense to mention that in this vid.


16 posted on 01/14/2011 8:12:14 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Tolsti2

BTW...it’s worth watching just to see buckley wipe the floor with rangle...


17 posted on 01/14/2011 8:13:15 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

BTW, thanks for being an admitted ‘smoker’ (way to defile that relatively fine term when it comes to your illegal drug use).

You’re just another one like this guy, user, liar, and criminal.


18 posted on 01/14/2011 8:13:54 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: CajunConservative
He was a registered independent. *cough*Paultard*cough* is a possibility. Just sayin’

Not with his love of the communist manifesto, it isn't.

And his knowledge of the Constitution is sparse, by any account - another point that leads far away from civil-libertarians (what you would call "Paul-tards")

19 posted on 01/14/2011 8:20:00 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Tolsti2

“Eh, well my opinion of you is lower than dirt for being a user.”

Knee meets jerk....kneejerk...

“You’ve obviously liked on your forms for gun ownership which asks about pot use.”

Is that english?

You mean LIED?

I can still spell correctly...

I guess it really going to freak you out to hear I have a CCW and teach a CCW classes...

“Some guy you are, eh?”

You are the one with the closed mind.

I mean really...it never occured to you that a conservative might smoke pot?

“Am I supposed to believe an admitted criminal and liar like yourself?”

Yes yes...the libtard treatment...go right to insults and name calling...

Gonna call Willian F buckley names too?

Small little man....there is another world beyond the sugar coated one you live in...

Libtards blamed the tea party and palin...you blame pot...

I see little difference....both ignore reality.


20 posted on 01/14/2011 8:21:16 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

It does not freak me out that an admitted criminal and 30 year long drug addict teaches CCW classes.

It does sadden me that you’ve never been tested and dealt with though.

How does it feel when you lie on your forms about it? I guess it’s better to attack someone online for a typo, right?


21 posted on 01/14/2011 8:23:48 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: roamer_1

He’s nuts plain and simple.


22 posted on 01/14/2011 8:26:31 PM PST by CajunConservative (0, we'll stop treating you like a dog, when you stop treating us like a hydrant.)
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To: Tolsti2

BTW, thanks for being an admitted ‘smoker’ (way to defile that relatively fine term when it comes to your illegal drug use).

You’re just another one like this guy, user, liar, and criminal.


Now I’m loughner?

Oh that’s rich!

Like I said...the libtard treatment.....name call and berate...

You’ll have to hold the same opinion of William F buckley then....as he smoked pot a couple time too...

Herbert.(you may have to look that up)


23 posted on 01/14/2011 8:28:21 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

Ok, enough of the Buckley stuff.. Who cares.

How does it feel lying on those gun forms when you buy them when it asks about pot?

How do you like being a criminal that teaches the classes?

That’s all I asked. You brought up the pot defensiveness in your typical pothead paranoid defense of it.

Maybe you are, in fact, a bit like him. I’d certainly like to know your info so I could report you to the agencies that should know about you being a criminal drug addict.


24 posted on 01/14/2011 8:32:00 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

Lie on what forms?...are you an idiot?

I can pass an FBI check and pass a drug test tommorrow...

Drug tests only catch idiots who dont know who to get around tesing positive.

And yes I have to drug test for work...

You cant even address a singlr point I’ve made ..you just blather on like a parrot...

Who’s the dope?


25 posted on 01/14/2011 8:35:03 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

Ok, so you can use and pass a drug test and I’m supposed to be impressed?

Sigh..

You’re more like Loughner all the time, slipping through the cracks and excusing it.

Way to screw yourself over.


26 posted on 01/14/2011 8:39:26 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

“Ok, enough of the Buckley stuff.. Who cares.”

I would think that most any conservative would care about what William F buckley thinks....

What kind of conservative agrees with Charlie rangle over buckley?


27 posted on 01/14/2011 8:47:08 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

You have that Loughner kind of bizarre logic, that’s for sure.

1 tracked mind.. Everything leads to your conclusions.

Love the crazy talk though, you do a good impression.


28 posted on 01/14/2011 8:49:22 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

Wow, you are hillarious in a doltish sort of way.


29 posted on 01/14/2011 8:53:11 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Tolsti2

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30 posted on 01/14/2011 8:53:23 PM PST by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: Tolsti2

You have that Loughner kind of bizarre logic, that’s for sure.

1 tracked mind.. Everything leads to your conclusions.

Love the crazy talk though, you do a good impression.


Talk about bizzare logic...

I blame lougner for his crimes...

You blame pot for loughners crimes...

One of us has clearly lost touch with reality....


31 posted on 01/14/2011 8:54:50 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

I blame him, and the drugs that he was obviously on that distorted him and is known for being a schizophrenia cause.


32 posted on 01/14/2011 8:56:24 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: MileHi

How often do you use?


33 posted on 01/14/2011 8:56:41 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

Uh...no...you clearly tried to blame the pot...


I imagine this guy was high on weed 24/7 for the longest time. That problem helped fuel the schizophrenia which led to this whole insanity.

Which led to politicians now attacking the 1st/2nd.

And people wonder why I hate pot and its users.


And clearly that hatred feeds your ignorance and your ego...

I bet some pot smoker stole your girlfriend in high school or some other nonsence...

I save my hatred for people like loughner...KILLERS.

And I dont blame THINGS for the actions of PEOPLE.

But by all means...carry on...


34 posted on 01/14/2011 9:01:40 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Tolsti2

And after a quick review of your posts...you clearly have a pot fetish...

Talk about a one track mind.


35 posted on 01/14/2011 9:06:09 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

No, I’ve worked at hospitals and saw what pot smoking did to the types I didn’t like earlier :)

Seen that, don’t worry. You can claim all you want.. You’ve claimed to be a criminal and drug test evading type. Way to go.

You never answered my question, how does it feel to lie on your ATF forms when it asks you if you use pot?


36 posted on 01/14/2011 9:06:48 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2
When did you stop beating your wife?

You display more juvenile negativity than most narcs on this board. Put down your bong and quit trying to blame an herb for this disturbed individual's killing spree. Pot caused nothing here, or there.

You link schizoid behavior with pot. Many researchers explain that schizoids self-medicate with pot,or other drugs. More violent use alcohol than pot. Those are facts. Why don't you try using some intelligence instead of your knee?

37 posted on 01/14/2011 9:07:37 PM PST by WVKayaker (Faith makes the discords of the present become the harmonies of the future - Robert Collyer)
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To: Tolsti2

None of what he says or does makes sense. Waste of time trying to rationalize liberalism.


38 posted on 01/14/2011 9:09:05 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (In 2012: The Rookie and The Wookie get booted from the White House.)
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To: WVKayaker

Go read the facts on the other thread about this that said some large percentage were proven to be schizo directly due to pot use.

I’m not going to bother searching it for you, it won’t do any good if you go directly to the source and read it.

You use and will not care.


39 posted on 01/14/2011 9:09:46 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: CajunConservative
He was a registered independent. *cough*Paultard*cough* is a possibility. Just sayin’

Ron Paul supporters don't read and accept as gospel, trash like the Communist Manifesto. Ron Paul isn't anti-capitalist like this jerk off is either.

40 posted on 01/14/2011 9:13:33 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (In 2012: The Rookie and The Wookie get booted from the White House.)
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To: Tolsti2
There are a small number of people who can aggravate their existing mental problems through chronic marijuana use. Others aggravate them with alcohol or with prescription drugs.

From what I've seen, alcohol is the far more effective way of ginning up your mental issues into bouts of violence.

41 posted on 01/14/2011 9:17:57 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

Gotta disagree when you say ‘small’. It’s huge, but most can’t stand the idea and disregard it.


42 posted on 01/14/2011 9:26:01 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

“You never answered my question, how does it feel to lie on your ATF forms when it asks you if you use pot?”

That just proves you dont know dick about gun laws.


43 posted on 01/14/2011 9:31:52 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Tolsti2
I don't know. I just haven't seen it. I've seen sloth and carelessness develop or grow in some pot smokers. I've seen others graduate pharmacy and med school. I haven't really seen anybody driven clinically crazy by it.

I have seen alcohol ruin marriages and careers and land people in jail for violence - bar fights and such. Not pot for that stuff though.

Loughner was already a crazy bastard, so I'm sure pot helped his madness along. He was also messing around with some weird over-the-counter psychaedelic. I don't know much about that. He also used mushrooms extensively. If you're teetering on some mental precipice, that stuff will kick you over the edge real quick.

He had so many other things helping along - manic role playing internet games, the neighborhood jerk for a father (according to some), alcohol poisoning.

I think he was naturally crazy and, through fate and really bad choices, brought about the perfect storm of aggravating factors to bring it all to this end.

And it appears that everybody who knew him merely increased the distance from him as he spiraled down, rather than try to help him. Seriously, I have not heard of a single person who thought to reach out and try to get him help. They all just basically changed their phone numbers and forgot about him.

44 posted on 01/14/2011 9:38:17 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Tolsti2; Crim; WVKayaker

I can speak a bit about the link between psychosis and smoking dope (personal experience) Im 60 now but in 1969 I had a full scale psychotic break after smoking just a a few hits . There is the possibility that the dope had been “dusted” with PCP but I dont know for sure....those were the days.

However almost every time I smoked dope after that (I would try every few years over the next 10 years or so) I would experience a similar state which I would label “ off the charts madness”.....to the point that the last time I ever smoked (1983 I think) I was admitted for a few days into the mental ward.

Am I schizophrenic? based on my life since then I would have to say no . Its been an interesting life but not out of the ordinary.
I have no problem with people smoking dope . I dont do it however as it drives me completely out of my head.

We are all a bit different in the chemistry department and I cant smoke dope.I would bet Jared didnt help himself either by smoking dope


45 posted on 01/14/2011 9:40:30 PM PST by woofie
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To: dead

see my post below yours


46 posted on 01/14/2011 9:41:38 PM PST by woofie
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To: woofie

Then you are wise to avoid it.


47 posted on 01/14/2011 9:43:27 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Tolsti2
If I use, is not the point. The point is that you are a legalistic cretin who feels it necessary to make disjointed statements blaming an herb for criminal behavior. You claim expertise because of being in an ER and having read something on the internet. What a fruitcake!

Having had the benefit of 63 years on this planet, and also having the benefit of a training in psychology and counseling, I can state with resolute authority that you are full of crap. Marijuana does not cause psychotic behavior. It will give you the munchies, and heighten senses, but it won't cause you to pick up a gun and start killing people. It just ain't going to happen no matter how much you desire it.

Sorry, crawl back under your rock. You're just another statist troll. I am a conservative libertarian, just like the Founders of this country! I'll take liberty every time!!!

You seem to prefer to point fingers and claim superiority. It won't work, FRiend. This country needs less rules and regulators (like you) and more freedom. That is America!

48 posted on 01/14/2011 9:47:06 PM PST by WVKayaker (Faith makes the discords of the present become the harmonies of the future - Robert Collyer)
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To: WVKayaker

herb, heh.

That’s the kind of looney talk I’m sure a lot love to think of it as.

Hey, it’s ‘an armless erb’... yep.

That’s it.

Hey, it might screw some people over and fuck up their lives to the point of schizophrenia.. Oh, and it has done so, proven to do so, has driven people to insanity and so on.

But HEY, you’ll bring up booze. Does anyone ever really defend booze like you potheads? Not really.


49 posted on 01/14/2011 9:52:51 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: woofie

They’ll call it an herb and then that means it’s harmless. Right?

Meth is also just like a dr pepper, same thing (in their logic).

Some people have no sense of scale.


50 posted on 01/14/2011 9:55:01 PM PST by Tolsti2
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