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An ex-Weather Underground radical on the Tucson shootings and political violence (Ayers pal)
Washington Post ^ | 1/16/11 | Mark Rudd

Posted on 01/15/2011 8:21:42 PM PST by Libloather

An ex-Weather Underground radical on the Tucson shootings and political violence
By Mark Rudd
Sunday, January 16, 2011

In 1970, when I was 22 years old - the same age as Jared Loughner - I was a founder of the Weather Underground, an offshoot of the antiwar group Students for a Democratic Society. That spring, a small contingent of the Weathermen, as we were known, planned to plant three pipe bombs at a noncommissioned officers' dance at Fort Dix, N.J. Our intention was to remind our fellow Americans that our country was dropping napalm and other explosives on Vietnam, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. I wasn't among the bombmakers, but I knew what was in the offing, and to my eternal shame, I didn't try to stop it.

I considered myself an agent of necessity in a political revolution. I'm not sure if Loughner, who seems to suffer from mental illness, can be considered an agent of anything. But I'm sure that if, as alleged, he pulled the trigger, he had convinced himself that he was doing what needed to be done.

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Civility.
1 posted on 01/15/2011 8:21:44 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Like me, Loughner - though he's the product of a different era and may have been motivated only by his madness - could have a long time to consider the logic behind his alleged actions. I only hope that he and those families that were destroyed can find peace.

WaPo does not allow comments in this article. Gee, I wonder why?

2 posted on 01/15/2011 8:31:21 PM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Libloather

” ... bombs, assembled in a New York townhouse, exploded prematurely. Ted Gold, Diana Oughton and Terry Robbins - three brilliant and passionate young people who had decided that they must become terrorists - were killed.”

And they blowed up real good! Unfortunately, Rudd, Dorhen and Ayers were not present.
Every stupid hippie associated with the `New Left’ wasted their lives. Good riddance!

Now, back to our regularly scheduled civility.


3 posted on 01/15/2011 8:33:57 PM PST by tumblindice (Today, new Zombie Czar Chris Williams' head fell off. More at 11.)
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To: Libloather

PS “to my eternal shame, I didn’t try to stop it.”

Absolute horse s***.


4 posted on 01/15/2011 8:36:26 PM PST by tumblindice (Today, new Zombie Czar Chris Williams' head fell off. More at 11.)
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To: tumblindice

(PPS NOW we return you to our scheduled civility)


5 posted on 01/15/2011 8:37:31 PM PST by tumblindice (Today, new Zombie Czar Chris Williams' head fell off. More at 11.)
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To: Libloather

Ah, Mark Rudd. Satan is waiting for you!


6 posted on 01/15/2011 8:38:03 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Because the left is ugly and the right is beautiful.)
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To: Islander7
Like me, Loughner

That's all I needed to hear. Two peas in a pod.

7 posted on 01/15/2011 8:42:01 PM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: tumblindice
Every stupid hippie associated with the `New Left’ wasted their lives. Good riddance!

William Ayers gained a PhD in Education...and became a prominent, yea, a leading "expert" on secondary school curricula -- consulting with school districts and state boards all across the country.

I wonder exactly what impact he's really had on our public education system. It's for the worse, no doubt. But just how much damage did he do...???

8 posted on 01/15/2011 8:44:21 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Libloather

The FRAKING WASHINGTON POST gives this guy SPACE? And pays him to explain his TREASON?

And we are supposed to say, “Oh. That’s OK?”

Who the hell are you a$$clowns? You want MY money? You want me to think you a LEGITIMATE ‘news’ source?


9 posted on 01/15/2011 8:45:54 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Libloather
the Weather Underground, an offshoot of the antiwar group Students for a Democratic Society

Oh, the irony.
10 posted on 01/15/2011 8:50:43 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Islander7
The threats to eliminate Mark would pretty much dominate the thread and wouldn't be particularly enlightening.

Gee, how do I know that?

11 posted on 01/15/2011 8:53:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Libloather

“I doubt that he cares much about who won the 2010 midterms or who will win the presidency in 2012. I doubt that a man who seems so confused and desperate cares much about ideology. Sarah Palin and her cross-hairs map deserve nothing but ignominy”

How dare you.

Sarah, the Beltway on both sides have your name everywhere, and now they want to associate it with an honest-to-goodness terrorist, courtesy of the “Washington Post.”


12 posted on 01/15/2011 8:55:28 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Libloather
Our Western society with all it's faults has a structure and a framework. It may be more fragile than we think. It needs the co-ordinated efforts of millions of ordinary people to make it work.

People such as Rudd and including the likes of Ayers and his lady Bernadine, tried to smash part of our society. Yet, they crawl away to elegant hotels, shop at well run supermarkets, enjoy heat, light and warmth in their houses or apartments. They carry on in some sedentary occupation and are well paid. They have the best of medical care. The police will come if they dial 911.

How in the name of reason did they expect these things to still exist if they even succeeded in blighting just twenty five percent of our structural society?

It was said once many years ago and in another country, "In the name of God go!" Too late Mr Rudd.

13 posted on 01/15/2011 8:57:25 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Libloather
"...killing hundreds of thousands of civilians..."

Uh, no. Nobody knows the number, but it's likely not "hundreds" of thousands in the plural. He still doesn't get it

14 posted on 01/15/2011 8:57:57 PM PST by Felis_irritable
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To: Peter Libra

That’s why all of them stay here. The Hollywood Left? Remember how they all “threatened” to go to USA or Europe? (note how they always pick white countries?)

They’re spoiled brat children, hiding behind mommy and daddy as they shout insults to the neighbors, the cops, the passers by, the postman.


15 posted on 01/15/2011 9:06:25 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (The Rodney King Riots: Courtesy of ABC, CBS, NBC & CNN)
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To: Cisco Nix; tumblindice; Libloather

Sounds to me like Rudd atoned for his sins and has turned his life around. I thought it was a well written story.


16 posted on 01/15/2011 9:14:22 PM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: upsdriver

Then you forgive him. I hope he rots in hell.


17 posted on 01/15/2011 9:18:25 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Because the left is ugly and the right is beautiful.)
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To: Libloather
Mark Rudd's photograph was as iconic of the "glory daze" of the SDS, taking over Columbia University, but I can't understand why he's not living in Hanoi, today, enjoying the fruits of his Fifth Column victory?

Guess it's hard to find a Starbucks there, or a descent Whole Foods.

18 posted on 01/15/2011 9:22:00 PM PST by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: Libloather

I didn’t read a shred of humility or regret in that article. He still hasn’t “grown up” IMHO.


19 posted on 01/15/2011 9:30:27 PM PST by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: tumblindice

brilliant and passionate terrorists with mass murder in their heart


20 posted on 01/15/2011 9:36:54 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: combat_boots

Bill Ayers had a great write-up in the NY Times and reprinted in rags all over America where he said he was NOT sorry about the bombs.....

.. that published on Sept 11, 2001


21 posted on 01/15/2011 9:38:13 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: upsdriver

lol... atoned for his sins but still thinks those young terrorists were brilliant and passionate...


22 posted on 01/15/2011 9:40:05 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: upsdriver
Sounds to me like Rudd atoned for his sins and has turned his life around. I thought it was a well written story.

Well-written? Yes, it was.

But I wonder if he's really "turned his life around".

Since he got out of jail, the only job he's apparently held was as a math teacher at a community college in New Mexico. He also wrote two books -- both of them failures.

Yet, he seems to have retired in comfort -- to "a ranch in Western New Mexico, near the continental divide".

He makes frequent personal appearances and has a radio show (Progressive Network). See his website.

I don't believe he is making the personal appearance and running a radio show because "he has turned his life around".

He's still preaching subversion. It's not violent, but it's still subversion. Which is in line with the strategy the socialists are currently following in the USA.

Their goal hasn't changed: Communism in America. Only their tactics have.

23 posted on 01/15/2011 9:44:14 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Libloather

Mark Rudd’s website says that his commitment to “fighting U.S imperialism”[2] was inspired by the revolutionary movement in Cuba, which at that time was in its ninth year.[3] In 1968, Rudd and Bernardine Dohrn and other leaders of SDS were invited to Cuba to meet with Cuban, Soviet, and North Vietnamese delegates.

His experiences in Cuba strengthened Rudd’s anti-war and pro-Communist sentiments.[4] Rudd had described the life of Cuba as “extremely humanistic” and he idealized Ernesto “Che” Guevara, referring to him as the “Heroic Guerilla.”[5]


24 posted on 01/15/2011 9:50:28 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: upsdriver
Sounds to me like Rudd atoned for his sins and has turned his life around

Read the article carefully. He hasn't changed.

Note that he only condemns so-called right wing terrorists - McVeigh and Roeder for example - but doesn't bring up animals like Nidal Hasan, Mohammed Atta, Seung Hui-Cho, or any of an endless parade of Muslim, left wing, alien mass murderers who have rampaged across America in the last few decades.

Nope. Just the ones who fit the Left-Liberal stereotype of Evil White Guys Killing the Sacred Minorities and their Supporters.

Rudd's still the snotty prick who took over a university like it was his own goddamn property. A narcissist who feels nothing for anyone else, just feels sorry for...Mark. And all those bad decisions.

Still the same guy. Just figures he coulda been a bit more sly about how he brought down "The Man".

25 posted on 01/15/2011 9:51:26 PM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: okie01
Their goal hasn't changed: Communism in America. Only their tactics have

You got it man. And their most successful tactic ever now sits in the White House.

26 posted on 01/15/2011 9:53:24 PM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Cisco Nix

It isn’t up to me to forgive him. Nor you.


27 posted on 01/15/2011 9:55:51 PM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: combat_boots

>> The FRAKING WASHINGTON POST gives this guy SPACE? And pays him to explain his TREASON?

I’m glad he’s been awarded the exposure. This helps to make the connection the public has neglected. Yeah, it’s frustrating to think he’s been given a pedestal, but truth be told, he was given rope.


28 posted on 01/15/2011 9:57:24 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: upsdriver

lol, snippy ain’t cha.


29 posted on 01/15/2011 9:58:24 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Because the left is ugly and the right is beautiful.)
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To: GeronL
I believe he was lamenting the fact that someone he considered brilliant and passionate were so wrong in their tactics. He said that although they lost their lives when the bombs exploded "prematurely" that the greater tragedy would have been the planned conclusion of their mission. Their deaths were the turning point in his life. He left the Weathermen at that point.

On March 6, 1970, the Weather Underground's bombs, assembled in a New York townhouse, exploded prematurely. Ted Gold, Diana Oughton and Terry Robbins - three brilliant and passionate young people who had decided that they must become terrorists - were killed. Only by their deaths was the greater tragedy we were plotting avoided. Emotionally shattered, I dropped out of the Weather Underground but remained a fugitive until 1977.

After I turned myself in, I spent the next 25 years trying to figure out why I had made so many disastrous decisions as a young man. One of my conclusions was to pursue only nonviolent action - righteous action still, but without anger or brutality.

30 posted on 01/15/2011 10:04:20 PM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: okie01

Your link didn’t work.

I have no idea what his political leanings are today. He may still be a radical. Teaching math seems to be a non-controversial subject to teach. But he left a life of crime and that’s what is relevant to his turnaround. He is operating within the law.


31 posted on 01/15/2011 10:10:47 PM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Cisco Nix

Sorry, I didn’t mean to be “snippy”. However, he didn’t do anything to me that requires my forgiveness.


32 posted on 01/15/2011 10:12:13 PM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Regulator

I read it pretty carefully. Since he turned himself in back in 1978, has he been living within or outside the law?


33 posted on 01/15/2011 10:17:03 PM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

In my younger days I knew two men who had actually fought in the mountains with Castro. They deserted him when he became (or announced that he had become) an avowed Communist. They were young, altruistic and terribly stupid.

For Rudd and the others to praise Castro after the total Communist takeover of Cuba is beyond forgivable, especially for middle class American kids who could get back on a plane and return to all the comforts their American life offered, while trying to tear it down.


34 posted on 01/15/2011 10:18:46 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: upsdriver
Here it is, in plain language.

http://www.markrudd.com/

I found it on Bing. And now I note that it is a cached page. So his website may be down -- and the only to acccess the cached page is thru Bing (or Google).

If I could get you on his website, you'd recognize that he hasn't given up trying to foment a revolution. He's just changed his tactics -- staying within the law (so far as we know).

35 posted on 01/15/2011 10:33:45 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Regulator
And their most successful tactic ever now sits in the White House.

Precisely. Barack Obama is a direct descendant of Mark Rudd. Or, more accurately, William Ayers.

36 posted on 01/15/2011 10:35:48 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Regulator; upsdriver

What is this piece of crap doing outside of a jail cell? In In a free country, where we have rule of law prevails, people like Bill Ayers and Mark Rudd are simply “murderers” or “mass murderers”, and are dealt with accordingly. When citizens are subject to the law, criminals can’t be simply be “rehabilitated” by like-minded politically connected pals, as are political prisoners in communist countries.

Sure, we have always had shady characters with “friends in high places”. But what has become of us when a scumbag like Rudd and Ayers can become a “retired community college instructor” or enjoy a career as a “education theorist”?


37 posted on 01/15/2011 11:04:47 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: miss print

Ping


38 posted on 01/15/2011 11:09:11 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: upsdriver

“However, he didn’t do anything to me that requires my forgiveness.”

Then don’t forgive him. Really, I could’t care less.

Now good night and don’t let the dream weaver mess with your head. :-)


39 posted on 01/15/2011 11:16:48 PM PST by Cisco Nix (Because the left is ugly and the right is beautiful.)
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To: tumblindice

“... three brilliant and passionate young people who had decided that they must become terrorists - were killed.”

How brilliant could they have been, if they blew themselves up? They were dumb asses trying to make a bomb.


40 posted on 01/15/2011 11:35:00 PM PST by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Libloather

So someone who actively supports killing, gets their own column while someone who no direct link to killers and uses metaphors that seem violent gets death threats.


41 posted on 01/15/2011 11:35:26 PM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: Libloather

Ayers..the shabbaz goy of the Weather Underground...ironic.how hes the best known today


42 posted on 01/15/2011 11:39:42 PM PST by wardaddy ("Out Here" by Josh Thompson pretty much says it all to those who will never understand anyhow)
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To: haroldeveryman
What is this piece of crap doing outside of a jail cell?

Beats me.

I remember in the 70's going into the PO every day to pick up my mail (small town).

There they were, every day: Bernardine Rae Dohrn, William Ayers - up on the wall, "Wanted - FBI".

Rudd I don't remember being up on the wall as much, but I guess that's because he went in earlier.

But these guys were bad asses. Way bad, scary bad: bombs, bank robberies with machine guns, possible SLA style shootouts with the cops.

And then they came in and got....less time than a lot of minor drug charges bring. And walked.

I couldn't understand that in 1981. How the hell could that happen?

Now I do: friends in high places, the right parents. It was Vietnam, man, everyone went a bit crazy. "National Healing" and all that. Carter pardons the draft dodgers.

The War is over. All is forgiven, all is forgotten. Now you can just reminisce to some TV interviewer, or write a book.

Right. Got it. What about the people who got dead? They get to resurrect, kinda like an edgy Hollyweird murder mystery?

Nope. They're still dead. And the perps...walk around as semi-celebrities?

Laws my butt. Those freaks should be doing 75 to Life at the Supermax in Illinois.

43 posted on 01/16/2011 12:07:39 AM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Libloather
To quote Walter Matthau in Grumpy Old Men:

"Here's some matches. Set yourself on fire."

Cheers!

44 posted on 01/16/2011 12:10:04 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: okie01
I wonder exactly what impact he's really had on our public education system. It's for the worse, no doubt. But just how much damage did he do...???

You might enjoy this:

(Vanity) Getting the Point on Ayers, or, An Act of War

Cheers!

45 posted on 01/16/2011 12:11:48 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: upsdriver
Teaching math seems to be a non-controversial subject to teach.

Ask Theodore Ted Kaczynski (Harvard '62; Ph.D., Michigan, '67) about that.

You may reach him at his current address:

Ted Kaczynski
Register Number 04475-046
USP FLORENCE ADMAX
U.S. PENITENTIARY
PO BOX 8500
FLORENCE, CO 81226

It might be a good idea to have the bomb squad check any return mail from him CAREFULLY before opening it...

In case you forgot, that's the Unabomber.

Cheers!

46 posted on 01/16/2011 12:22:03 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Liberal scapegoat

Liberal Hero

Cheers!

47 posted on 01/16/2011 12:25:54 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: upsdriver

He’s a slick little bastard. Just like his cohorts.
He’ll tell you he’s sorry and he’s regretted his actions.....but, he’s still a Leftist POS. He’s not offing cops, blowing up people or screaming Marxist slogans anymore. He’s gotten cute and wise to the fact that ‘if ya go carryin’ pictures of Chairman Mao, ya ain’t gonna make it with your fellow “proletariats”’.

Given the right, and safe, conditions, he’d be playing his role as “leader” with Ayers, Dohrn, 0bamao and others.


48 posted on 01/16/2011 12:27:01 AM PST by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: Libloather

I knew this jerk back in the 60s, and also his friend Ted Gold, who thank goodness had an accident making a bomb.

I’m sure the Washington Post considers this distinguished commentary. WaPo is just as bad as the NY Times, but better managed. It will unfortunately take them much longer to vanish due to bankruptcy.


49 posted on 01/16/2011 3:10:52 AM PST by devere
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To: tumblindice
” three brilliant and passionate young people”

Passionate? Maybe.

Brilliant? Not so much. . .they blew themselves up, for key-rist, sakes.

50 posted on 01/16/2011 5:25:30 AM PST by Hulka
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