Skip to comments.California may have the highest costs for charging electric vehicles
Posted on 01/16/2011 8:39:26 PM PST by Rabin
Electric-car makers and utilities said most owners will probably charge their vehicles at night when the rates are lower. But because of the tiered rate system, their electricity bills will still probably be high One plug-in hybrid Volt would increase the average household's electrical usage 60%...
California households pay steeper rates for their electricity compared with other states -- about 35% more than the national average...
(Excerpt) Read more at articles.latimes.com ...
Assuming ANY ONE buys them.
Gosh, adding electric cars to an already strapped grid?
Who could have possibly seen this coming?
California will raise the cost of anything and nothing to cover the government shortfall if you use it or if you don’t use it you will still pay.
A lot of liberal tree huggers will rush out to buy one.
And then figuratively later on down the road will find out what a power addict they will become.
Power thefts will be on the rise, I can just imagine certain individuals able to secretly tap into power transmissions lines and starting a black market charging station.
A car speak-easy, drop it off for a cheap recharge?
Yup. Those idiots won’t build new new nuclear power plants. As far they are concerned, electricity happens when you plug it in and flip the power switch.
Everything costs more in California.
I have met my West Coast family and some were impressive, others not so much. I am going to invite them to the Redneck Riviera this summer and let them decide.
When “Moonbeam Brown” was governor first time around he did everything he could to shut down the Nuclear Power Industry in California. He felt that efficiency could solve all the problems. Nothing wrong with efficiency but the buffoon never accounted for California’s population doubling between the time he left office his first stint as governor and when he went in the second time. Yes, the population doubled! Now there is no way you can handle that increased demand with simple energy savings. Solar and Wind are not gonna work and will be VERY expensive. How are you gonna charge up your Chevy Volt at night with energy from solar collectors? Guess these geniuses haven’t figured that out.
Someone is going to have to burn a lot of coal to provide the electricity to charge up those “clean” puppies. Producing electricity is not cheap.
Sure there is...if 50% of the population leaves the state. This just might happen, like it did in Detroit.
Just for the hell of it I called a local electricial contractor to get an estimate for the installation of a plug in charge station at my home. Hang on folks — $2850+!
I don’t think so! Screw the Greenies and Al Bore!
Well, that is simple to fix: pass a law...
Later, pass another law, and implement new regulations, that the utilities MUST keep generating and selling...
Then pass another law....
Virtually no one in the State of California, apparently...
I have always wondered about the batteries. If say after a year or two have they degraded enough so that you don’t get near the milage range that a set of new batteries would. Say the range new is 200 miles after a full charge. Maybe after two years and a lot of charges would the range be down to say 150 miles?
California, its new state motto:
The Brownout State.
1 HP is roughly equal to 750 watts
To drive the Volt at highway speeds takes say 10 HP minimum, or 7500 watts.
You run it for an hour, you’ll have to put that much energy back into it, 7500 watt-hours.
That’s the equivalent of running your 150 watt outdoor light for 50 hours (!) - and these are VERY conservative figures that don’t take charging efficiencies (or lack thereof) into account.
> Producing electricity is not cheap.<
burning coal —> cheap electricity
A more likely scenario is that all those figures are doubled: 20 HP -> 15 kW-hr per hour of operation.
At California’s 2010 average residential electricity rate of 15 cents per kW-hr. this is then about $2.25 per hour of operation.
Not a bad deal, actually.
California may have the highest costs for charging electric vehicles
Imagine when a whole flock of them arrive in a business’ parking lot in the morning and expect to charge up for free for the commute home in the evening.
Just plug it into the electric clothes dryer socket,,,usually 220V.
Only if you are the only one in your area with one. Wait until every tree hugger in the neighbourhood is charging.
cities here in cal are already setting up charging stations, gee I wonder who is going to be paying for the elect used......
Also, the state and Feds will find a way to make up for the drop in fuel tax revenue (Think “seperate meter for your car charging station with a special electric car rate per kW Hour.”).
My building's parking contractor has been working with the on-site facility manager to get ahead of the curve. They've placed solid cover plates over all the wall outlets on the parking levels.
20% discount to low income Californians.....
746 watts = 1 Hp.
Battery chargers are less then 65% efficient due to poor
power factor and harmonic distortion.
Batteries are not 100% electrochemical converters.
More on the order of 60% - 70%.
That's why they get so damn hot when you charge them.
You can not put 1kw into a battery and get 1kw
out. Not never.
Electrical distribution losses from the grid to the
chargers can easily be 8%.
High power chargers will have 3 - 5 % power loss just
in local wiring alone.
Traction Inverters tend to be around 85 -90 % efficient.
Add it up.
Carnot's law will not be broken.
In short, you just can’t win.
But the good people of California voted for liberalism so
they must desire to be poor.
Lemmings over the cliff.
They’ll save the same amount by banning incandescent light bulbs? (sarc off)
Wasn’t the whole point of banning light bulbs to save on the generation of coal fired electricity?
The Coal Powered Volt.
“Power thefts will be on the rise”
The state of California will have the increased cost of patrolling high volt towers, looking for pirate wires run parallel to the high voltage source stealing inductively induced electricity from said high volt towers.
Did I just say that? Ma bad!
“Lemmings over the cliff.”
A falacy that Californians may prove right?
News at 11.
...but who will pay for the (already heavily gov’t subsidized) EV’s for those low income Californians to plug in?
That discount is, though, a typical socialistic ‘answer’ to the ‘problem’.
Your such a fun sucker with your astuteness. (sarc)
1st start with the conversion of coal or natural gas into electricity, with natural gas being the most efficient at 50% of the possible energy converted into electricity. Then add in the following losses, 6.5% for transmission, 3% for transformer and 10% for the charger.
Wait until they start to charge everyone for the higher transformer failure rate!
"The other half of the equation, todays local electric distribution system, probably wouldnt be able to cope with a nation of newly purchased EVs all driving home from work and plugging in during peak demand hours. Why? Take the transformer or power pole near your home, for example. That transformer may serve 4 to 6 homes and have very little reserve capacity for reliable operation when additional demand (like charging electric vehicles) is added. Each electric vehicle roughly doubles each homes peak power demand, so if everyone buys an electric car were either going to need bigger local transformers, or more of them. Additionally, round-the-clock demand prevents the transformers from cooling down at night, something which could result in premature transformer failures and local blackouts".
You have to wonder why after all these years of screaming how to lower your electric bills; they want to increase them 3 fold. Of course, there is a high chance of fire and you can only go so far.
Ah, what a deal. /sarc
They don’t think about the details.
Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?
When posters were pushing these here on FR, I kept asking “how much will it cost to charge it?”... I never, NEVER got an answer. All crap answers... “it likely will be comparable to what you pay for gas and maintenance” or some hogwash like that.
LOL. I’ll stick with gas and NOT increase my electric bill by $150 thank you.
oh yeah... then there’s battery replacement... I couldn’t get an answer on that either. Every 3 yrs “or so”, you’ll need another battery for $10,000. crappy electric pos ars
I have too......would you want to buy a 4 or 5 year old used Volt that has the original batteries?
to post 33
coal costs about one-tenth
as much as crude oil
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