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Strategy site to Obama: End alliance with Israel
World Tribune ^ | January 12, 2011

Posted on 01/17/2011 10:20:05 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Wednesday, January 12, 2011

INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING

Strategy site to Obama: End alliance with Israel

WASHINGTON — A newsletter-publisher said to have ties with the Obama administration has called on Washington to end its strategic alliance with Israel.

George Friedman, publisher of Stratfor, has published a book that called on the Obama administration to reorder U.S. foreign policy. Friedman has argued that the key element of the proposal required the end of U.S. strategic ties with Israel and bolstering of cooperation with the Islamic world, particularly Iran and Pakistan. "The United States must quietly distance itself from Israel," Friedman says in his book, titled "The Next Decade." "It must strengthen — or at least put an end to weakening — Pakistan."

This marked the second U.S. strategist to call for a revision of Washington's alliance with Israel. Last year, a former consultant to Obama, Anthony Cordesman, argued that the U.S. strategic alliance with Israel was harming Washington's interests in the Middle East, Middle East Newsline reported.

Friedman's organization includes former intelligence officials and enjoys ties with the Obama administration, Middle East Newsline reported.

Acknowledging that his proposal would be regarded as controversial, Friedman said under Obama and former President George Bush, Washington has been in a confrontation with the Islamic world, which consists of one billion people, as part of the "obsessive" U.S. war against Al Qaida.

Instead, a U.S. withdrawal of support for Israel, which receives $3 billion a year in American aid, would restore balance in the Middle East, Friedman argued. He said Washington's recent policy has destabilized the region as well as bolstered Indian dominance of Pakistan.

"Owing largely to recent U.S. policy, those balances are unstable or no longer exist," Friedman said. "The Israelis are no longer constrained by their neighbors and are now trying to create a new reality on the ground."

"The Pakistanis have been badly weakened by the war in Afghanistan, and they are no longer an effective counterbalance to India. And, most important, the Iraqi state has collapsed, leaving the Iranians as the most powerful military force in the Persian Gulf area," Friedman said.

The book also called on Washington to recognize Iran as the new power in the Middle East. Friedman argued that Washington must arrange a detente with Teheran similar to that with China in the 1970s and the Soviet Union in the 1940s. He said Iran already dominates neighboring Iraq.

"And in the spirit of Roosevelt's entente with the USSR during World War II, as well as Nixon's entente with China in the 1970s, the United States will be required to make a distasteful accommodation with Iran, regardless of whether it attacks Iran's nuclear facilities," Friedman said. "These steps will demand a more subtle exercise of power than we have seen on the part of recent presidents."

Friedman said the decline in U.S. support for Israel must mark the first step in a revised American foreign policy. He said this was vital for what he termed the survival of the U.S. empire.

"The United States is a commercial republic, which means that it lives on trade," Friedman said. "Its tremendous prosperity derives from its own assets and virtues, but it cannot maintain this prosperity and be isolated from the world. Therefore, if the United States intends to retain its size, wealth, and power, the only option is to learn how to manage its disruptive influence maturely."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anonymous; anthonycordesman; cordesman; csis; detente; foreignpolicy; friedman; georgefriedman; india; iran; iraqiwmd; israel; kooks; obama; obamaadministration; stratfor; thenextdecade

1 posted on 01/17/2011 10:20:07 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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2 posted on 01/17/2011 10:25:14 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Friedman has argued that the key element of the proposal required the end of U.S. strategic ties with Israel and bolstering of cooperation with the Islamic world, particularly Iran and Pakistan.

Abandoning long time democratic allies to curry favor with Islamonazis who seek our destruction is a "strategy"?

This should end any credibility Freidman ever had.

3 posted on 01/17/2011 10:27:21 AM PST by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you hids bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Friedman argued that Washington must arrange a detente with Teheran

Not going to happen. 0bama's a Sunni and bows to the royal family of Sa'ud.

4 posted on 01/17/2011 10:29:37 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thats right: our salvation will come from doing more of the same things that have been failing miserably for the last two years.


5 posted on 01/17/2011 10:30:18 AM PST by Ford4000
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Yes, and while we’re at it, tell Sarah Palin to dump Todd and run off with Sean Penn.


6 posted on 01/17/2011 10:33:01 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The Pakistanis have been badly weakened by the war in Afghanistan, and they are no longer an effective counterbalance to India. And, most important, the Iraqi state has collapsed, leaving the Iranians as the most powerful military force in the Persian Gulf area," Friedman said. The book also called on Washington to recognize Iran as the new power in the Middle East. Friedman argued that Washington must arrange a detente with Teheran similar to that with China in the 1970s and the Soviet Union in the 1940s. He said Iran already dominates neighboring Iraq.

Insanity. How about this?

1) Screw Pakistan. Isolate them like we isolate Iran. India is an ally.

2) Iraq has more oil than Iran. Support them as a counterwieight against Iran. Screw Iran

3) Dumping Israel will be seen as weakness and you will have gained nothing with the duplitious Arabs

4) Is Stratfor propped up by Saudi Arabia?

7 posted on 01/17/2011 10:34:23 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Ford4000

“George Friedman, publisher of Stratfor, has published a book that called on the Obama administration to reorder U.S. foreign policy. Friedman has argued that the key element of the proposal required the end of U.S. strategic ties with Israel and bolstering of cooperation with the Islamic world, particularly Iran and Pakistan. “The United States must quietly distance itself from Israel,” Friedman says in his book, titled “The Next Decade.” “It must strengthen — or at least put an end to weakening — Pakistan.””

A man named Friedman advocating the US to end strategic ties with Israel.

Well, Hitler hated Communists and it is apparent that many Jews within Obama’s administration and groups advocating for the end of Israel have Communist ties.

Just a thought.


8 posted on 01/17/2011 10:37:51 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ( Happy Freeping New Year)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

EOW.


9 posted on 01/17/2011 10:38:38 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic. Monthly Donors Welcome.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Isn’t this rather ridiculous in it’s presumption that Obama HAS an alliance with Israel.


10 posted on 01/17/2011 10:49:12 AM PST by Carley (IDIOLOGY TRUMPS FACTS IN THE LEFT'S QUEST FOR POWER)
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To: Nachum

It appears George does not have a working definition of the word “infidel”. He clumsily and mistakenly concludes the historic Islamic rage against God-fearing Israel, and Jews in general, is due to the “disruptive influence” of the U.S.

George is either intellectually dishonest or does not have a clear idea of what is happening outside of his office.


11 posted on 01/17/2011 10:50:45 AM PST by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

George got a jihad pass for writing that. They promised they would cut his head off last, and would use a very sharp sword.


12 posted on 01/17/2011 10:53:44 AM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: frog in a pot

I think George just threw an “intellectual” temper tantrum. Either he was paid off or he’s completely ignorant of history.


13 posted on 01/17/2011 10:55:40 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Nice to see Helen Thomas has a new gig.

youtube - Helen Thomas tells Jews to get the hell out of Palestine

14 posted on 01/17/2011 11:10:10 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

>Indian dominance of Pakistan.

>counterbalance

Still stuck in the old mode of Pakicentric thinking.

America is still emotionally attached to the bastard deformed and retarded offspring of the Raj that is Pakistan.

America still doesn’t get the fact that the key to Afghanistan is to handcuff Pakistan and let Afghanis of all stripes and India come closer together.

Fine, balance Pakistan against India, and China?

And Israel? Boy, during the Bush years Friedman was quite proIsraeli and all that.....

Saudi money boost the coffers of stratfor?

Anyway, this may all be academic now that we know that the very guards who protect politicians and dignitaries have turned. Qadri apparently was on a detail that actually protected visiting American bigwigs - Holbrooke, Biden etc.

southasiaanalysis.org ran some rather stunning info about the guard and the ramifications.......

Is Friedman kiteflying some major policy changes for America?


15 posted on 01/17/2011 11:41:30 AM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

END our alliance with Israel?

If Obama wants to absolutely guarantee the END of our Republic, just sever that tie. The last vestiges of protection and aid we have from “nature and nature’s God” will be gone, and we will most certainly slip into history....


16 posted on 01/17/2011 11:42:21 AM PST by patriot preacher
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Big, big mistake !

I don;t want to have our country become cursed for going against Jacob !


17 posted on 01/17/2011 11:57:07 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Stratfor has always been lousy. I visited their headquarters years ago and most of the work was done by snot-nosed grad students working part-time from UT. None of them had any experience. Friedman himself was consumed with trying to keep the outfit financially viable at the time.

The idea that abandonment of Israel will suddenly make the Islamic world love us ignores Islamic threat doctrine. It is typical shallow analysis from CIA folks like Friedman.


18 posted on 01/17/2011 12:24:04 PM PST by LSUfan
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To: meatloaf; swarthyguy
It appears his world view was shaped at colleges in New York and more recently the cocktail circuit in Austin, Texas. Your ‘paid off” and my “intellectually dishonesty” would both seem to apply to this article.

Kiteflying = …Washington has been in a confrontation with the Islamic world, which consists of one billion people, as part of the "obsessive" U.S. war against Al Qaida.

Preparing the field to kill two birds (micro and macro) with one stone?

19 posted on 01/17/2011 12:25:44 PM PST by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: jhpigott; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ..
George Friedman, publisher of Stratfor... has argued that the key element of the proposal required the end of U.S. strategic ties with Israel and bolstering of cooperation with the Islamic world, particularly Iran and Pakistan... "It must strengthen -- or at least put an end to weakening -- Pakistan."
By not weakening, this cipher means the US should stop capping jihadists openly operating inside Pakistan. Y'know, because they wouldn't have massacred thousands, including Bhutto, had it not been for those UAV strikes. Thanks sukhoi-30mki.


20 posted on 01/17/2011 12:27:03 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Have you seen this article?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MA15Df01.html

The sources gave the names of some of the Canadians undergoing training. These could not be independently verified and include: Jeam Paull (local name Sadiq Ullah), Leman Langlois (Sana Ullah), James Richard (Abdur Rehman), Otto Paul (Abu Usman), Thomas (Abdullah) and Paul Gall (Hafiz Ullah).

Various militants of other nationalities are also being trained in North Waziristan, probably the most lawless part of Pakistan. Apart from Arab and Central Asian militants, one can find jihadis from the United States, Britain and Germany.

In October 2010, eight foreigners were killed in a US drone attack in the region. These included: Brusly (local name Fayaz), Gagarin Gill (Siraj), Smith (Jamal), Anderson (Waqas), Peterson (Shaheen), Walsh (Mustafa), Johnson (Wisal) and Peterson McKenzie (Usman). Prior to this attack, in September 2010 a senior German militant named Abdul Ghaffar was killed in a drone strike.

On December 15, 2010, another drone missile killed two Britain nationals in Darpakhel. They were identified as Stephen, age 48, and Darry Smith, aged 25. Stephen (Abu Bakkar), after converting to Islam, went to Afghanistan in 2009 and joined al-Qaeda. He was accompanied by the slain Smith (Mansoor Ahmed).


21 posted on 01/17/2011 1:12:37 PM PST by swarthyguy (KIDS! Deficit, Debt,Taxes! Pfft Lookit the bright side of our legacy -America is almost SmokFrei!)
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To: LSUfan; Cacique
"Friedman himself was consumed with trying to keep the outfit financially viable at the time."

My guess is that problem is over. Nothing like that Saudi or Soros money...

PS - from his wiki bio:

George Friedman is chief executive of STRATFOR, a private global intelligence firm he founded in 1996. Prior to joining the private sector, Friedman spent almost twenty years in academia, teaching political science at Dickinson College. During this time, he also regularly briefed senior commanders in the armed services as well as the Office of Net Assessments, SHAPE Technical Center, the U.S. Army War College, National Defense University and the RAND Corporation, on security and national defense matters.[2] Friedman’s childhood was shaped directly by international conflict. He was born in Hungary to Holocaust survivors. His family fled Hungary when he was a child to escape the communist regime, settling first in a camp for displaced persons in Austria and then immigrating to the United States. Friedman, who attended public schools in New York City, describes his family’s story as “a very classic story of refugees making a new life in America." Friedman was an early designer of computerized war games. Friedman pursued political philosophy with his early work focusing on Marxism, as well as international conflict, including examination of the U.S.-Soviet relationship from a military perspective. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Friedman studied potential for a U.S.-Japan conflict and co-authored The Coming War with Japan in 1991. He is also the author or co-author of books examining topics as diverse as the Frankfurt School and warfare, including The Future of War,The next hundred years, The Intelligence Edge, and America’s Secret War.
Wonder how critical he was of Marxism and the Frankfurt School
22 posted on 01/17/2011 1:23:49 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“End alliance with Israel”

That will trigger the end of the United States.


23 posted on 01/17/2011 1:26:21 PM PST by RoadTest (Religion is no substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: LSUfan; Cacique
"Friedman himself was consumed with trying to keep the outfit financially viable at the time."

My guess is that problem is over. Nothing like that Saudi or Soros money...

PS - from his wiki bio:

George Friedman is chief executive of STRATFOR, a private global intelligence firm he founded in 1996. Prior to joining the private sector, Friedman spent almost twenty years in academia, teaching political science at Dickinson College.......

Friedman’s childhood was shaped directly by international conflict. He was born in Hungary to Holocaust survivors. His family fled Hungary when he was a child to escape the communist regime, ...

Friedman pursued political philosophy with his early work focusing on Marxism, as well as international conflict, including examination of the U.S.-Soviet relationship from a military perspective. ...... He is also the author or co-author of books examining topics as diverse as the Frankfurt School and warfare...

Wonder which side he was on, re Marxism and the Frankfurt School...
24 posted on 01/17/2011 1:31:02 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: swarthyguy; SandRat; 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks sg.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2658385/posts?page=21#21


25 posted on 01/17/2011 1:53:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: frog in a pot

“Washington has been in a confrontation with the Islamic world” There’s the problem. We’ve been “after” a very small percentage of fanatic Muslims. Besides we’ve been assisted in our efforts by other Muslims.

The man is either an idiot or a fool. On second thought, possibly both.


26 posted on 01/17/2011 4:31:17 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: sukhoi-30mki; ExTexasRedhead

What? No barf alert??? ...................... FRegards


27 posted on 01/17/2011 6:56:06 PM PST by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms .................. FRegards)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The book also called on Washington to recognize Iran as the new power in the Middle East.

Wrong George. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the past, present, and future supreme power in the middle east, the US, and everywhere else in the universe and beyond. Iran and it's Islamic cohorts are nothing more than minor speedbumps on the way to fulfillment of His plan for Israel's future, and they will be utterly destroyed if they so much as lay a hand on His chosen people. Never the less, in league with Russia and several other Islamic nations named in scripture, at some point they will attack Israel. The result of that unwise attack will be the total destruction of the aggressors armed forces. (Ezekiel 38:1-23)

Israel is the apple of God's eye, (Zechariah 2:8) and it is now back in a small portion of the land God promised to it's father Abraham (Genesis 15:18) After 2500 years of exile in the gentile world, present day Israel currently occupies only a mere smidgen of the vast territory promised to father Abraham, "from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates" Gen 15:18. But during the millennial reign of Messiah Jesus on His human forefather David's throne in Jerusalem, Israel will finally take possession of all it's promised land and will posses it forever. That's just as promised to Abraham by the only entity in the universe for whom it is impossible to lie or break a promise.

28 posted on 01/17/2011 7:25:20 PM PST by epow ("Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;")
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29 posted on 01/18/2011 5:39:13 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: Yehuda
George got a jihad pass for writing that. They promised they would cut his head off last, and would use a very sharp sword.

The tardbutt has to learn to parse. Toes first, feet, then salami-sliced up to the neck. See how simple that is?

30 posted on 01/18/2011 7:56:23 AM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks s30mki.

I have always been underwhelmed by Stratfor’s analysis.


31 posted on 01/18/2011 8:47:33 AM PST by dervish (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself)
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To: Hardraade

Good “point”!


32 posted on 01/18/2011 1:17:09 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Funny. I’ve been advocating Israel ending its ties with the US.


33 posted on 01/18/2011 3:00:10 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"It must strengthen — or at least put an end to weakening — Pakistan."

By what means....Magic?

I've read and listened to George Friedman for many years.

Ususally on target, but how does one stop an addict on the road to perdition?

Mr. George Friedman: It's not always about power, its about values.

Unless and until Islam changes, or its people abandon it, the core values that have brought destruction to Pakistan will continue to destroy it.

That goes for the rest of the Islamic world, which is imploding: Tunisia, Algeria, Lebanon are imploding as I write.

Egypt may well be next, and Saudi Arabia after the King dies.

We have no power over this.

It is the values of their culture, derived from their religion, that is bringing destruction.

34 posted on 01/18/2011 3:26:23 PM PST by happygrl
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"The Pakistanis have been badly weakened by the war in Afghanistan, and they are no longer an effective counterbalance to India.

Why does India need "counrterbalancing"?

India is no longer in the camp of the USSR, and is is on target to become a leading trading partner of the US, and is THE WORLD LARGEST DEMOCRACY.

George Friedman is way off base on this one.

35 posted on 01/18/2011 3:34:01 PM PST by happygrl
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Friedman said the decline in U.S. support for Israel must mark the first step in a revised American foreign policy. He said this was vital for what he termed the survival of the U.S. empire.

This is EXACTLY what Europe told itself as it started on the road to Eurabia.

With the same results.

The next step will be millions, and I mean Millions, of immigrants from the Islamic world.

Some kind of deal is in the process of being made, probably at the Bilderberg conference, and we will we not recognize this country in our life time, if we follow this policy.

36 posted on 01/18/2011 3:39:01 PM PST by happygrl
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To: LSUfan
Friedman himself was consumed with trying to keep the outfit financially viable at the time.

That explains a lot.

37 posted on 01/18/2011 3:43:11 PM PST by happygrl
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Haha, Worst idea in the history of bad ideas.. so he wants to dump an ally(Israel) and screw over a prospective ally (India). Is it any wonder that India and Israel are doing join defense research and trade and at the same time upping their relationship?


38 posted on 11/18/2012 11:16:12 PM PST by coldphoenix
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To: happygrl
It never had anything to do with USSR. The policy of “counrterbalancing” India had been in existence since Truman and Eisenhower when India had little contact with USSR. And even after the break up of USSR the same policy was carried forward through the Clinton years. Only GWB momentarily reversed that policy but now it back to Status quo ante. There is hardly anything surprising in that comment. The language clearly articulates a cornerstone of US foreign policy vis-à-vis India.
39 posted on 11/20/2012 1:14:39 AM PST by ravager
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To: sukhoi-30mki; swarthyguy

This statement from Friedman isn’t simply a bolt out of the blue. Its is a long standing US foreign policy that is brought back into effect. Bush’s legacy to befriend India is being completely reversed. And I highly doubt it has anything to do with Saudi money. We very much underestimate America’s need to curry favor with Muslim countries.


40 posted on 11/20/2012 7:41:53 AM PST by ravager
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