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After two weeks, mystery still surrounds death of Wheeler
The Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 1/17/2011 | Kathleen Brady Shea

Posted on 01/17/2011 1:51:22 PM PST by Wolfstar

An unfitting end to an illustrious career.

That's how several West Point classmates viewed the New Year's Eve discovery of a prominent defense expert's body in a Wilmington landfill.

Two weeks after Newark, Del., police identified John "Jack" P. Wheeler 3d, 66, of New Castle, as a homicide victim, investigators still have released few particulars about the case, allowing conspiracy theorists of all kinds to draw pictures of their own.

Although the case was deemed a homicide, police have declined to list a cause, raising questions about whether Wheeler was drugged, shot, beaten, or stabbed. New information from police sources suggests he might have stopped taking medication for some sort of medical or mental-health condition.

"We're very disappointed that we've heard nothing," said Doug Thornblom, a retired Army colonel who described his roommate from West Point's Class of 1966 as a kind, respected, passionate patriot.

[SNIP]

Randy Loftin, another classmate, said Wheeler's death shocked their tight-knit group.

"This is really off the charts for someone like Jack," Loftin said. "There are few people who would stun us like that, especially the way in which he died. He was a fabulous man, someone who was always watching your back in whatever you were doing."

Newark Police Lt. Mark A. Farrall, a spokesman for the department, declined to say whether detectives had more information and had chosen not to share it, or whether clues were scarce.

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Delaware
KEYWORDS: delaware; homicide; johnwheeler; vietnam; wheeler
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Newsweek blames Wheeler's disorientation and death on supposed long-term mental health issues resulting from his service in Vietnam. See article here: Vietnam Demons & John Wheeler

An article in yesterday's The News Journal, posted on Delaware Online (can't be posted here due to copyright issues), indicates that the silence from authorities about the Wheeler case is unusual. See the article here: Delaware police mum about cause of former Pentagon official John Wheeler's death

1 posted on 01/17/2011 1:51:24 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: Wolfstar

Is he the Wheeler who was prominent in funding the Vietnam Vet’s Memorial?


2 posted on 01/17/2011 2:03:44 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Wolfstar
John "Jack" P. Wheeler 3d

Was he involved in the development of Stuxnet ?

3 posted on 01/17/2011 2:06:53 PM PST by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Wolfstar

At the link your provided the article says the police still await the results of Toxicology tests and that the tests will still be a few weeks in coming. Article also reiterates the fact that police are not releasing the cause of death.

Couple of thoughts here, and I speculate only, feel free to argue, rationally and without ad hominum, with me but please do not call me stupid or nasty names as has happened in other threads I participated in about this crime....why so long for the toxocology tests?

It’s still a couple of weeks off and by now it’s a couple of weeks beyond the crime before the results are returned?

Because I saw that video of Wheeler and to me the guy looked drunk.

Now I know the meme is that he was “disoriented” and such and of course he could have had some kind of awful health event.

I’m sticking with Occam’s Razor here. I think Wheeler was drunk, I think some street thug got a hold of him as he looked like a juicy pigeon waiting to be plucked, I think there was attempts to roll or rob him, I think things got out of hand, I think his dead body was thrown into a dumpster with an intent that it would never be found. Somebody knew the pickup times on the dumpster as I theorize.

I don’t believe for a minute the toxocology results will take several weeks. Give me a high profile crime and I’m getting the results back tomorrow, latest the day after.

Like they’re not releasing the cause of death, I think the police know the toxocology results of Wheeler’s blood (including the blood alcohol level which is where I’m going with this) and they’re not releasing any information.

I think that garage attendant is somehow involved with this crime, which would explain why she didn’t call the police to help this obviously “disoriented” man. I’m thinking garage attendants see drunk folks late at night quite often. Don’t know whether she called her homie friends or what but I think the cops are holding off to find the perp.

I’ll leave with providing another tidbit which I learned here locally as I do live in Delaware. I heard that when the police went to Wheeler’s house that the TV was blaring, BLARING....louder than we’d ever keep such a thing.

Don’t know what that means but I learned it from a local up Wilmington way.

Also, where Wheeler ended up dead is a high crime, high gang area....again, for what that’s worth.


4 posted on 01/17/2011 2:20:06 PM PST by Fishtalk (Dance like nobody's watching; Sing like nobody's listening; Blog like nobody's r.eading.)
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To: Wolfstar

A morbidly fascinating case!


5 posted on 01/17/2011 2:20:14 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Uri’el-2012
Yes, that was an area he was responsible for, cyberwarfare.

Was he directly responsible for Stuxnet? I sure don't know, but it would make a whole lotta dots take shape with that line connecting them.

6 posted on 01/17/2011 2:21:49 PM PST by blackdog
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To: Amberdawn

Yes, the same man.


7 posted on 01/17/2011 2:27:56 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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Dec. 13: John P. Wheeler III parks his vehicle at a garage on Martin Luther King Boulevard near the Wilmington train station. The car remained here until it is towed by police after Wheeler's body was discovered.

Dec. 24: Wheeler's neighbors, Robert and Phoebe Dill, reportedly took him to the Wilmington train station. He was to ride the train to New York City to deliver a present to his wife, who was staying at their Manhattan condominium, and then go to Washington, the neighbor claimed.

(After discovery of his body, a neighbor reports that for four days over Christmas, the television in Wheeler's Third Street home in Old New Castle was blaring blaring around the clock.)

Dec 27: Wheeler's attorney, Bayard Marin, last spoke to Wheeler.

Dec. 28:

After working at his consulting job at Mitre Corp., in McLean, Va., Wheeler made a reservation on an Amtrak train from Washington to Wilmington. Authorities think Wheeler was on the train but have yet to confirm it.

5 p.m. -- Wheeler's last response to an ongoing e-mail conversation concerning West Point and college football.

11:30 p.m. -- Firefighters discover a smoke bomb in a house under construction across the street from Wheeler's. He and that home's owners had been involved in a legal dispute. Officials have not linked Wheeler's death to the smoke bomb incident. State fire officials report finding several devices commonly used to smoke out small animals. There are no suspects, but investigators had hoped to speak to Wheeler.

Dec. 29:

6 p.m. -- Wheeler enters the Happy Harry's on Del. 9 near New Castle, and asks the pharmacist, Murali Gouro, for a ride to Wilmington. Unable to give Wheeler a ride, the pharmacist offers to call a cab. Wheeler declines and leaves.

6:40 p.m. -- Wheeler enters the parking lot adjacent to the county courthouse in Wilmington holding his right shoe in his left hand. Wheeler told a parking attendant, Iman Goldsborough, that his briefcase containing his parking ticket had been stolen, and he could not find his car. Wheeler is seen on surveillance video shuffling back and forth, apparently confused and disoriented, before he leaves about 25 minutes later.

His car was not in that garage, but was still at the train station where he had parked it 16 days earlier.

Dec. 30:

3:30 p.m. -- Wheeler is spotted in the area of 10th and Orange streets in Wilmington.

During the afternoon of Dec 30, Wheeler visited the 10th-floor offices of the Connolly Bove Lodge and Hutch law firm in the Nemours Building looking to speak with the managing partner. He wanted to borrow train fare to travel north. When a receptionist went to find someone to speak with Wheeler, he left.

8:30 p.m. -- Surveillance video captures Wheeler wandering through the Nemours Building at 10th and Orange streets. Several people approach him, because he appears disoriented or confused. Wheeler declines their help. He is dressed differently from the day before.

8:42 p.m. -- Wheeler is seen on surveillance video leaving the Nemours Building through doors on the 11th Street side. He then continues southeast on 11th Street, walking through the Hotel du Pont valet parking area, crossing over Market Street, and is last seen on camera walking on the west sidewalk of 11th Street, toward the city's east side.

Dec. 31:

4:20 a.m. -- A Waste Management truck starts its route through Newark, emptying trash bins, including one containing Wheeler's body.

10 a.m. -- The garbage truck that picked up Wheeler’s body arrives at the landfill after making 10 stops at various businesses, including a public library, a seniors’ complex, and a car dealership. Many of the dumpsters on this route were either locked or had surveillance cameras posted nearby. Shortly after 10 a.m., Wilmington police are called to investigate a body found at Cherry Island Landfill. Police determine the truck's route was through Newark, Del., miles away from where Wheeler was last seen. The Medical Examiner's Office rules his death a homicide.

Police say they believe Wheeler’s body was collected at the beginning of the route based on its location in the garbage truck.

The truck's first stop was a bank in College Square shopping center. Two trash bins at the rear of a bank are just yards away from two surveillance cameras, and are in sight of several storefronts and a heavily traveled road.

From the bank, the truck headed to the library where the bin is tucked in an alley between the rear of the building and a fence that partitions the alley from nearby homes. A locked chain-link gate prevents through traffic in the alley, and a surveillance camera guards the area.

Security cameras and lights overlook bins on the truck's route behind a Toyota dealership.

Those at a McDonald's are in plain sight of a 24-hour drive-through lane.

Just down the street, a small bin is behind another restaurant, across the street from a 24-hour emergency care center. The center's bins can be seen by residents of a seven-story apartment building.

Behind a Goodwill thrift store, several containers are in a lighted area that, according to a sign, is under 24-hour surveillance.


8 posted on 01/17/2011 2:33:24 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Wolfstar.
...prominent defense expert... John "Jack" P. Wheeler 3d, 66, of New Castle...

9 posted on 01/17/2011 2:41:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Fishtalk
but please do not call me stupid or nasty names as has happened in other threads

I wouldn't do either. :)

With so few facts released by authorities, your opinion about this case is as good as anyone else's.

There are only a small number of possible reasons for why Wheeler seemed so disoriented.

Head injury of some kind (no injury is obvious on surveillance videos).

Medical reason such as a stroke.

Wheeler stopped taking medication, which is alleged in the Newsweek article.

Wheeler was drunk or under the influence of one or more drugs.

I posted the timeline of his known movements in the days prior to his death, and also some information about the route of the trash truck that picked up his body. The police must have more information by this point, but aren't releasing it. According to the Delaware Online article, that's unusual for authorities in that state.

The trash truck only picked up from commercial locations that morning, most of which either were locked, or had video surveillance, or both. Others were in plain sight of apartments and other commercial establishments, and of busy roads.

10 posted on 01/17/2011 2:43:16 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Fishtalk; All
Several odd things about this case, not the least of which is that business about the smoke bombs in the neighbor's house. It's laughable that those things could be used to burn down a house. OSHA's Material Safety Data Sheet for the Revenge brand says the product has no unusual fire or explosion hazards. It can be toxic in enclosed spaces (duh!), but it's completely useless as fire bomb.
11 posted on 01/17/2011 3:01:51 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: SunkenCiv

You’re welcome. :)


12 posted on 01/17/2011 3:02:27 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Wolfstar

I believe he was beaten and robbed of his wallet and briefcase resulting in his confusion - may have a resulting head injury or even been drugged.

Also, if you look closely at his jacket you can see the left sleeve is dirty as are his pants like he was thrown to the ground.

The fact that he was robbed on one day and killed the next is more than coincidence.


13 posted on 01/17/2011 3:32:37 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: Wolfstar; Fishtalk; exit82; WestCoastGal; hoosiermama; DelaWhere; Sacajaweau; SunkenCiv; ...
Last week an article posted on FR suggested the idea that Wheeler suffered from a serious psychiatric disorder, perhaps manic depressive disease, which could have accounted for bizarre behavior and even precipitated his death - either by suicide or by provoking someone else to kill him.

But such a psychiatric background would seem inconsistent with his biography. He simply wouldn't qualify for the supersensitive jobs he has held.

There is a possibility that the existence of a severe psychiatric problem was thrown out as an intentional "red herring" in the case. It brings to mind the bogus "depression" theory embraced by the official government investigations that purportedly accounted for Vince Foster's "suicide." A complete review of the credible evidence in the Foster case indicates that it was surely a homicide by gunshot.

14 posted on 01/17/2011 3:35:35 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Wolfstar

This was a hit. No one has yet to uncover the word Whitehouse or Snowcap. How obvious does it have to be?

Mom didn’t teach you everything.


15 posted on 01/17/2011 3:39:03 PM PST by libertyhoundusnr
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To: Wolfstar; All
Newsweek blames Wheeler's disorientation and death on supposed long-term mental health issues resulting from his service in Vietnam.

Seriously doubt that theory has any validity to it, especially when, as in this case, it is propagated by a leftist source.

Please see my post # 14.

16 posted on 01/17/2011 3:41:35 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Yeah I don’t believe any of that, he would not have been able to function in the capacity that he did.


17 posted on 01/17/2011 3:41:58 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: WestCoastGal; All

Hi WCG. Belated happy new year. So much about this case is peculiar, not the least of which is the tight lid the authorities have placed on releasing information. According to Delaware media, this is highly unusual. I’m wondering what caused the ME to say this was a homicide. Must have been some reason, hopefully more than just finding his body in the trash. But the fact that they haven’t told the public a cause of death makes me think there was no wound or sign of physical trauma. They are waiting for the tox results to see if the cause of death is there, I think. I also agree that if he had the kind of mental health issues described in the Newsweek article, he probably couldn’t get some of the jobs he held.


18 posted on 01/17/2011 4:15:05 PM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: justiceseeker93; libertyhoundusnr; flat; unkus; celtic gal; ExSoldier; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

Wheeler indeed had an impressive biography and I pray that veterans will speak up in his defense. An intentional “red herring” being used to discredit a man who served his country so admirably can’t be allowed to stick.


19 posted on 01/17/2011 4:26:29 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Amberdawn

What’s to understand, enemy spies grabbed him, truth serumed him, and ultimately killed him. He had top clearance to our air force cyber defense plans. He knows how we were going to defend against an enemy that sought to knock out space based assets. It’s not too terribly difficult to imagine what happened to him.


20 posted on 01/17/2011 4:43:50 PM PST by kinghorse
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Remember a CIA director named Colby? This stuff happens. Why we don’t have security details on these people is beyond me.


21 posted on 01/17/2011 4:45:36 PM PST by kinghorse
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To: Wolfstar

O.K., Thanks. I heard he and Sen. Jim Webb had a falling out some 10-12 years ago, related to the VV memorial or somesuch.


22 posted on 01/17/2011 6:14:35 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Wolfstar

Very puzzling for sure.

I’ve wondered how peculiar it was for AG Biden to have the search warrants sealed for his house his car and the apt in NYC?

The Newsweek article annoys the heck out of me when they point at all these so called mental issues quoting unnamed friends/associates.

I still highly doubt even if he had some physical or mental limitation that he would be robbed one day and killed the next without it being somehow connected.

I wish the news would get on this, I would even take Geraldo at this point. Also, the fact that friends and family have pretty much clammed up.


23 posted on 01/17/2011 6:34:54 PM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 01/17/2011 9:13:42 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: WestCoastGal
In the AP story I read, New Castle police obtained a search warrant for his house that they failed to have sealed. Biden's office filed 4 days later to have the warrant sealed. It is evidently common practice to seal these as they list the reasons the warrant is wanted.

The three others, obtained by the Newark police, were sealed right away as requested by the Newark police. The three obtained by Newark police were for his car and 2 for the same Apple IPhone (different justice of the peace for the 2 for the phone).

I didn't see anything about his apt in NYC.

25 posted on 01/17/2011 10:42:24 PM PST by Abby4116
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To: Amberdawn
Is he the Wheeler who was prominent in funding the Vietnam Vet’s Memorial?

The very same ...

John Wheeler @ Vietnam Memorial, DC

In this May 17, 1994 file photo, John Wheeler III touches the name of a friend engraved in the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington. Wheeler's body was discovered Dec. 31, 2010 as a waste management truck emptied its contents at the Wilmington, Del.-area landfill. His death has been ruled a homicide.

RIP John.

26 posted on 01/17/2011 11:24:45 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !! )
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To: Wolfstar; BykrBayb; Fishtalk; WestCoastGal
Thanks for the timeline, Wolfstar, and everyone else for the info. Here's some detail that BykrBayb dropped into another thread at Wheeler's cell phone discovered, taxi driver says #372:

Wheeler's home in Newcastle is about 5 miles south of Wilmington's business district where the Hotel DuPont and Nemours Building are. Newark is about 10 miles SW from there.

As for the Security videos, the only one I've seen is the one from that attached to the Nemours Building. WRT the cameras on the trash bin holding areas of the various businesses are they all active and valid for the time period?

As to the manner of death, I'm fairly certain that the coroner would not have pronounced it a homicide without some clear indication of such. Any postmortem damage done to his body after death by the trash bin/truck packing would be apparent.

Sad to say, but my belief is the longer this drags on, the more like the Colby or Foster deaths it's going to become - a homicide buried by the powers-that-be!

27 posted on 01/18/2011 12:33:30 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !! )
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You’re welcome, and thanks for the link to the other thread. I’m glad the Delaware media and friends of Wheeler are speaking up about the news blackout regarding this case. It’s perplexing, especially as we live in an era in which authorities at all levels need little excuse to call a press conference even for comparatively mundane matters, and when leaks are commonplace. I’m definitely no conspiracist, but agree with you that the longer this blackout continues, the more likely it is that something is being buried along with Wheeler’s body.


28 posted on 01/18/2011 1:14:19 AM PST by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Abby4116

Sealed warrants IMO means that police and others believe they are dealing with more than a random act of violence.

Also, they did search his NYC apt - whether or not they needed a warrant is probably among the unknown issues of this case.


29 posted on 01/18/2011 5:17:47 AM PST by WestCoastGal (SL I believe hes a remarkable race-car driver, I think some people in the world have forgotten that)
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To: WestCoastGal

I don’t think that they are treating it as a random act of violence. There hasn’t been any mention of his being in Newark prior to his being in the dumpster and I doubt that he walked there.


30 posted on 01/18/2011 5:35:38 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: Albion Wilde; smoothsailing

FYI


31 posted on 01/18/2011 11:01:51 AM PST by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Amberdawn
I heard he and Sen. Jim Webb had a falling out some 10-12 years ago, related to the VV memorial or somesuch.

Yes; Wheeler "got" the Maya Lin proposal and backed it; Webb wanted something more traditional. I'm so glad Wheeler won.

32 posted on 01/19/2011 7:31:31 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Wolfstar; 1_Rain_Drop; 4Runner; 21twelve; 70times7; 9422WMR; A.A. Cunningham; Abathar; abb; ...
Ping to another good thread, with Wolfstar's excellent links in the first post.

FReepmail Albion Wilde to be added or removed from a pinglist on the Wheeler case.

33 posted on 01/19/2011 7:40:53 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: libertyhoundusnr; kinghorse; Amberdawn
Ping to another good thread, with Wolfstar's excellent links in the first post.

FReepmail Albion Wilde to be added to a pinglist on the Wheeler case.

34 posted on 01/19/2011 7:42:21 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Wolfstar

New information from police sources suggests he might have stopped taking medication for some sort of medical or mental-health condition.”

I’ve thought all along that his confused condition originated from some sort of medication-related problem.

As for his death, we’ll have to wait for the autopsy results. I’ve thought he was mugged & murdered by punks/thugs driving by and seeing him wandering the streets and figuring he was an easy mark.


35 posted on 01/19/2011 7:50:25 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Wolfstar; Albion Wilde
Newsweek blames Wheeler's disorientation and death on supposed long-term mental health issues resulting from his service in Vietnam.

I don't buy that. His good friends have said many complimentary things about him. One friend even said that Wheeler kept working when the rest of them retired.

36 posted on 01/19/2011 7:50:51 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks for the pings


37 posted on 01/19/2011 7:53:12 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Wolfstar

Has it been reported if he made any large ATM withdrawals?


38 posted on 01/19/2011 7:55:30 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Albion Wilde

Thanks AW for the ping...completely forgot about the Wheeler death.


39 posted on 01/19/2011 7:57:23 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Wolfstar

40 posted on 01/19/2011 7:59:37 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Uri’el-2012
[Was he involved in the development of Stuxnet?] Stuxnet was Bushes' fault...
41 posted on 01/19/2011 8:02:26 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Fishtalk

Now I know the meme is that he was “disoriented” and such and of course he could have had some kind of awful health event.


“Disoriented”. Isn’t that the term used for justifying the firing of IG Gerald Walpin in May 2009?


42 posted on 01/19/2011 8:04:27 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Fishtalk
Because I saw that video of Wheeler and to me the guy looked drunk.

Or whoever it was on that video.

Does anyone know for certain that the person on the videos was Wheeler, and not some double?

ML/NJ

43 posted on 01/19/2011 8:06:46 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Wolfstar

I believe the silence from the Newark police and close family/friends indicates the case is in the hands of the federal gov’t (FBI or CIA).


44 posted on 01/19/2011 8:07:59 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Wolfstar

It seems possible that he was in that house for some time when he bug-bombed it, was poisoned therein, then became increasingly disoriented as he was seen in these various places, finally to the point where he crawled into this dumpster and died.

It does seem to fit at least the initial lines.


45 posted on 01/19/2011 8:23:53 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Albion Wilde

add me


46 posted on 01/19/2011 8:43:01 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT
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To: Albion Wilde

add me


47 posted on 01/19/2011 8:43:40 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

It seems odd that Wheeler would have been given all those important positions through out the years if he had serious mental problems. It just does not add up.


48 posted on 01/19/2011 9:02:36 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

You’re already on, MissDGVT!


49 posted on 01/19/2011 9:09:03 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Wolfstar

Aknother very familiar cover up. Thank you for the heads up.


50 posted on 01/19/2011 10:00:11 AM PST by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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