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Mugged by Medicare: Feds to withhold Social Security benefits if you don't sign up
American Spectator ^ | 1.17.11 @ 11:34AM | By Quin Hillyer

Posted on 01/17/2011 3:37:35 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

the government actually claims it can hold hostage people's Social Security payments in order to FORCE those people to accept Medicare enrollment.

The Department of Health and Human Services insists an individual cannot forfeit Medicare eligibility and continue to collect Social Security benefits even after paying into the latter system over an entire career.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


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KEYWORDS: communism; corruption; democrats; donttreadonme; liberalfascism; mandatory; medicare; policestate; security; social; socialism; socialisthealthcare; socialsecurity; ss; tyranny
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1 posted on 01/17/2011 3:37:39 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

the government wonders why its broke


2 posted on 01/17/2011 3:38:59 PM PST by GeronL (How DARE you have an opinion!!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

It’s a tyranny, what do you expect?


3 posted on 01/17/2011 3:40:25 PM PST by Clint Williams (America -- a great idea, didn't last. The only reasonable response to jihad is Crusade.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Read the whole article. I especially liked some of the comments being made. Some very well thought ones too.


4 posted on 01/17/2011 3:41:09 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

What if you dont sign up for either one?........


5 posted on 01/17/2011 3:42:00 PM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: Nightshift

gnip


6 posted on 01/17/2011 3:42:11 PM PST by tutstar
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To: LucyT; BP2; rxsid; null and void; Candor7

I was just thinking earlier that I really wanted the govt to force me into one more thing....


7 posted on 01/17/2011 3:43:22 PM PST by tutstar
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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8 posted on 01/17/2011 3:45:02 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Medicare Part A comes with your Social Security at no cost to you when you enroll in SS.

There is also Part B—which costs about 10% of your SS payments

There is also Part D, which I don’t know how much it costs.

Can this article be a little more specific??


9 posted on 01/17/2011 3:46:55 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Working with elderly for years, it seems to me it has always been this way. Once you sign up for SS, you have to take medicare. If you have a retirement plan with private, or pay for your own policy, those become secondary, medicare is primary. And if your doctor does not take medicare, you must change doctors, cannot revert to your private insurance, that is solely for additional charges to you above and beyond medicare. If medicare does not cover a procedure, your insurance may or may not cover it.

Elderly DO NOT love medicare, they simply have no choice.


10 posted on 01/17/2011 3:47:37 PM PST by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Surprised? No. Disgusted? Definitely. Will the Lame Stream Media portray this as fair and unquestionably necessary? You can bet your ass!


11 posted on 01/17/2011 3:50:17 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy (God bless the United States of America and protect her from the enemies of freedom.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

It’s really pretty simple. The federal government does as it damn well pleases and puts the holder of the short straw into the system against its full resources to seek redress. It’s been getting worse year after year.

The truth is our government, at many levels, no longer governs with the consent of the governed.


12 posted on 01/17/2011 3:54:46 PM PST by jwparkerjr (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Obamacare will make everyone subject to any whim that strike liberals from moment to moment. Demons.


13 posted on 01/17/2011 4:01:36 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Do muslims get our SS?

I think no matter if it’s repealed, it’s too late
for many things like my doubled medical and RX premiums.


14 posted on 01/17/2011 4:02:11 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: Red Badger

“What if you dont sign up for either one?........”

Liberals would LOVE it if every conservative in the country dutifully paid lifetime taxes into SS and Medicare and then elected to forego collecting a penny of benefits. Sort of like the public schools, which happily will allow you to pay full freight to send your kid to private school, but only if you also continue to pay taxes to cover “your share” of public education costs.

Progressives allegedly preoccupied with “equity” have a peculiar blind spot when it comes to how to equitably share the burden of the “public option” in health care and education.


15 posted on 01/17/2011 4:02:32 PM PST by DrC
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Well this 112 congress sure has it’s work cut out for it. So much must be exposed in the right way in order to minimize how the L/MSM machines can put spin on it.


16 posted on 01/17/2011 4:06:20 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The unions are not going to like this.
I am sure obamma will give them an exemption.


17 posted on 01/17/2011 4:20:00 PM PST by rawhide
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To: ridesthemiles

Part A is “free”.
My part B costs me $96.40 monthly
Part D (drug plan) price varies with plan. AARP was charging me $41.00 each month. I dropped them for Humana/walmart. I get similar coverage for $14.70.
I get Plan F (Medigap)for $ 123/mo with mutual of omaha.


18 posted on 01/17/2011 4:21:41 PM PST by ol' hoghead (He is not here; for he is risen.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Any rule that cuts people off of Social Security and Medicare is a good rule. Both programs are unconstitutional.


19 posted on 01/17/2011 4:23:01 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: ridesthemiles
There is also Part D, which I don’t know how much it costs. Can this article be a little more specific??
Part D is prescription drug coverage which is optional. You can choose from multiple plans that run from about $15/month up to ... $50(?) depending on a number of variables.
20 posted on 01/17/2011 4:24:10 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Heads up!


21 posted on 01/17/2011 4:25:45 PM PST by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Behind Liberal Lines. Calls for Congressional hearings, followed by similar hearings on every bogus order flowing down from Zero and/or his illegal czars, with the endgame being his impeachment.
The Department of Health and Human Services insists an individual cannot forfeit Medicare eligibility and continue to collect Social Security benefits even after paying into the latter system over an entire career.

22 posted on 01/17/2011 4:27:35 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
A key to any sensible approach to our health care is that our 'leaders' must be on the exact same plan as the rest of the citizens.

From an earlier thread:obamacare blows. So does what we have now. There is no way the clowns in congress will sort it out and come up with something that makes sense for us as a country until they are on the same ‘plan’ as everyone else in the country. Health care is not a right and it is not a privilege and until we stop treating it as one or the other we will get no where. Decent health care for all citizens is a necessity for a functioning society just like food and water. We have a way of providing and distributing both that takes the cooperation of gov’t, private industry and society and the same is required for health care.

23 posted on 01/17/2011 4:37:29 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If you disclaim Medicare, can the Feds disallow you use of the Interstate Highways? Why not?


24 posted on 01/17/2011 4:40:08 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
If you disclaim Medicare, can the Feds disallow you use of the Interstate Highways? Why not?

Because interstate highways have an arguable constitutional basis.

We need to find more ways to pry recipients off of Social Security and all other welfare programs. Who cares why they came up with this rule? It's a good rule.

25 posted on 01/17/2011 4:45:44 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: gidget7
Elderly DO NOT love medicare, they simply have no choice.

And if a person does not qualify,and doesn't want to qualify, at age 65, they can be qualified through their spouses social security,whether they like it or not. - tom

26 posted on 01/17/2011 4:46:15 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: TribalPrincess2U

I think no matter if it’s repealed, it’s too late
for many things like my doubled medical and RX premiums.

I agree. My paycheck deductions have not only doubled, but now lab work, hospital care and any office procedures are billed as a percentage. They used to just have co-pays. I can’t see them changing back no matter what happens with Obamacare.


27 posted on 01/17/2011 4:47:54 PM PST by Xyz22
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Regulating health care is not an enumerated power granted to Congress in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and is a power reserved to the states per the 10th Amendment. Consequently the DHHS is unconstitutional and must be abolished!


28 posted on 01/17/2011 4:56:02 PM PST by Defend Liberty
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To: Walts Ice Pick

Unconstitutional?

Then just give me the money I”VE paid in and I will go away.


29 posted on 01/17/2011 4:58:08 PM PST by Murp (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Murp
Then just give me the money

That's the attitude!

The constitution doesn't allow for welfare programs. I'm sorry, but this country wasn't founded to give you money.

30 posted on 01/17/2011 5:01:15 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick
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To: zot; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice

more Diktat from Obamarx’s comrades


31 posted on 01/17/2011 5:13:48 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: ridesthemiles
Can this article be a little more specific??

Clicking the link to the Washington Times article, the issue is that the plaintiffs do not want any part of Medicare, but wish to remain with their current private health insurance. The problem with Medicare is that doctors must put up with Medicare's reimbursement rates. This means you are stuck with the set of docs willing to accept Medicare rates for treating you.

32 posted on 01/17/2011 5:25:03 PM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

We all knew this was coming. Politicians have been making outlandish promises for a long time knowing that their programs would eventually go broke. Social Security, Medicaid, and a whole host of other programs were designed to elicit votes and it was known that those programs are unsustainable.

The difference is that in the past, the politicians would retire from office and their chief beneficiaries would die before the money ran out. Reid, Pelosi, and Zero have the distinction of making such promises and being unable to deliver while still in office. The future is here, welcome to it. For the ignoramuses raving that their homes and cars would be paid for under big O, got any comment now, hmmmm???

Is it still a mystery why socialism fails every time? Socialist economies always collapse because they run out of money, and the current US Government is no exception. There’s not enough money or attainable resources in the universe to sustain the programs of the liberals and their RINO lapdogs. No ifs, ands, or buts. The end is coming soon, it’s only a matter of whether the USG cuts it off and enacts realistic policies or it just eventually collapses under its own weight.


33 posted on 01/17/2011 5:25:36 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: ridesthemiles

Part A (hospital) is at no charge and mandatory. Parts B (medical) and D (drugs) are optional...you don’t have to take them but you’ll pay if you do.


34 posted on 01/17/2011 5:25:48 PM PST by JPG (YES SHE CAN!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Socialist economies always collapse because they run out of money...

Socialist economies always collapse because they run out of other peoples’ money...

35 posted on 01/17/2011 6:02:49 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

That is fine, just max out the 401k and Roth to replace SSI and get your health care on health care cruises, I am sure someone is designing the ship as we speak. Oops... Thats right, they are planning to go after our retirement $.....


36 posted on 01/17/2011 6:03:19 PM PST by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Clint Williams
You understand that you don't have a "right" to social security payments?

In Flemming v. Nestor (1960), the Supreme Court ruled that workers have no legal right to Social Security: Congress can cut or eliminate Social Security benefits at any time regardless of a worker's contributions.

37 posted on 01/17/2011 6:03:50 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: oh8eleven
Part D is prescription drug coverage which is optional. You can choose from multiple plans that run from about $15/month up to ... $50(?) depending on a number of variables.

Part D is optional only if you never take advantage of it. And if you do some day take advantage of it, there is a time-based penalty you must pay. It's in the Medicare booklet. Look it up. It's not something they scream and yell about.

I had Aetna last year at $27/mo. This year they went up to $64/mo. Guess who switched to Walart/Humana at $14.97/mo? Not as nice a plan but better than $64/mo. Especially since, thank the Good Lord, I have no non-generic prescriptions.

38 posted on 01/17/2011 6:09:46 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

This is already in litigation:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574446831381142174.html

and...

http://thefundforpersonalliberty.org/


39 posted on 01/17/2011 6:32:32 PM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; All

So, what have we learned in 2,065 years?

“The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
— Cicero , 55 BC

Evidently, nothing.


40 posted on 01/17/2011 6:34:03 PM PST by Jeffrey_D. (Freedom includes Free Market....no Feds needed!)
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To: Xyz22

I never paid a co-pay or was billed for my yearly lab tests.

What I want to know is how well plans pay off in the long run. Mine paid out over 300,000 for my quintuplet bypass, age 69. I paid 10.00 and 40.00 doctor co-pays. The premium doubled this year but I I doubt even if I wanted to change plans, no one would take me.

My Rx plan from same insurance has a new ‘tier 4’—high cost generics which now includes my generic hormone pills. Was paying 18.00 for 90 day, now 55.00 for 90 day. That’s BS. Hormone pills have never been expensive. Also brand was 58.00 for 90 days—now 92.50.

Anyone wanting to now my plans name can private mail me.


41 posted on 01/17/2011 6:58:37 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS= Obama's Mosque, taxes, painful death. Is this what you want?)
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To: oh8eleven

AARP’s most expensive drug plan is now $98 a month.


42 posted on 01/17/2011 6:58:53 PM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993905/posts)
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To: ol' hoghead

Your numbers are better than mine, I guess I should have changed my medi-gap this year. It runs over 200 dollars a month. And goes up every year..I should not have been so lazy after seeing what you pay. I figured they were all about the same...Ididn’t sign up for pres. drugs but still won’t Wal-Mart generics do well for me...but then again so far I take very few pres. drugs.


43 posted on 01/17/2011 8:09:34 PM PST by goat granny
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To: Clint Williams
It’s a tyranny, what do you expect?

Hang the tyrants?

45 posted on 01/17/2011 9:18:58 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: GreyFriar; Interesting Times; SeraphimApprentice
more Diktat from Obamarx’s comrades

Yes, it is a trap. When they cut payments to doctors even farther, many more doctors will stop taking Medicare patients, and if you go to a private doctor you will lose your Social Security.

46 posted on 01/17/2011 9:24:52 PM PST by zot
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The folks who refuse medicare will also refuse social “security”.

Yep, there are some folks out there who seek nothing from the fed.gov.


47 posted on 01/17/2011 11:45:02 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Repeal the 16th amendment . Send Islam packing to their homeland.)
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To: JPG
Part A (hospital) is at no charge and mandatory. Parts B (medical) and D (drugs) are optional...you don’t have to take them but you’ll pay if you do.

So that those on medicare who retire in Thailand probably won't be affected. But for those who are not on medicare, doesn't Obamacare force you to get "approved" insurance even if you don't want it and can't afford it?

You could ask for an exemption from Sebelius but unless you have lobbyists or are on Obama's buddy list....

48 posted on 01/18/2011 12:31:52 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ridesthemiles

I was given the option of signing up for Part A for which I paid during my entire working career. I declined the rest. I have private insurance which becomes second payor for hospitalization only.


49 posted on 01/18/2011 4:31:09 AM PST by Silentgypsy
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To: Walts Ice Pick

“this country wasn’t founded to give you money. “
Murp wanted the money he paid in returned to him and he’d go away. That sounds good to me, too.


50 posted on 01/18/2011 4:37:23 AM PST by Silentgypsy
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