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Lugar pushes to renew assault weapons ban
Politico ^ | January 17, 2011 | Shira Toeplitz

Posted on 01/17/2011 9:52:12 PM PST by WilliamHouston

Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) this weekend called on Congress to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.

Lugar is the first GOP senator to call for increased gun control following the Tucson tragedy that killed six people and wounded 13 others, including Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. But Lugar, who supported the initial 10-year-long assault weapons ban when it passed in 1994, said he's not optimistic about the chances for passing gun control legislation this Congress.

“I believe it should be, but I recognize the fact that the politics domestically in our country with regard to this are on a different track altogether,” Lugar told Bloomberg Television’s Al Hunt Jan. 14. . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: guncontrol; indiana; richardlugar
So Lugar is for gun control too now? Indiana needs to throw out this RINO before he does any more damage in Congress.
1 posted on 01/17/2011 9:52:15 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: WilliamHouston

Fascinating.


2 posted on 01/17/2011 9:54:38 PM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: WilliamHouston

This will go exactly nowhere.

Gotta love the idea of banning guns because of what they look like.....


3 posted on 01/17/2011 9:55:03 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: WilliamHouston

Someone needs to tell Lugar that assault weapons are already illegal without an FFL


4 posted on 01/17/2011 9:56:05 PM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: WilliamHouston

Does IN have any Tea Partiers to knock this hayseed out? He is insufferable. This stiff should be easy to eliminate.


5 posted on 01/17/2011 9:57:57 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: KoRn

Lugar has passed his sell by date. He currently holds the position of “Republican most likely to appear on Meet the Press to say how bad all the other Republicans are”, a coveted position that John McCain held until having the audacity to run against the media’s annointed candidate, Obama. Clearly Lindsey Graham is jealous of Lugar’s success and would very much like this job (along with the elite acceptance that goes along with it.)


6 posted on 01/17/2011 9:58:56 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: WilliamHouston
I could almost understand his worthless reasoning, if he called for some handgun legislation, but what does a 9mm pistol have to do so-called assault weapons?

Congress are public servants. Let's have some random drug testing of Congress. That might provide some answers.

7 posted on 01/17/2011 10:01:17 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: WilliamHouston

Lugar is a racist. You cant ban guns because they are black!


8 posted on 01/17/2011 10:05:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: KoRn

Exactly.

It will go nowhere. Lugar knows this. Everyone knows this. Yet he feels the need to give the finger to his constituents again.

How many times has it been now?


9 posted on 01/17/2011 10:05:50 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: WilliamHouston

YOU REPUBICS ARE ON NOTICE... IF YOU ENTERTAIN THIS IDIOCY... IT IS WAR. WE WILL TEA PARTY LIKE IT IS 1776!!!!

LOOGIE NEEDS TO BE EXCOMMUNICATED... THIS IS AN UNFORGIVABLE BREECH.

LLS


10 posted on 01/17/2011 10:06:11 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: WilliamHouston
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
11 posted on 01/17/2011 10:07:35 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: FlyVet

NEVER... “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”. No one on FR should EVER agree to any Rights being murdered!!!!!!!!!!!

LLS


12 posted on 01/17/2011 10:07:45 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: DTogo

GOD bless you brother!

LLS


13 posted on 01/17/2011 10:08:41 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: WilliamHouston

I defended him but I can’t no longer defend him.


14 posted on 01/17/2011 10:09:48 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: WilliamHouston

Old fart is like specter, thinks he owns the seat, 35 years, time for retirement.


15 posted on 01/17/2011 10:12:06 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: WilliamHouston

When they devise a law requiring criminals to follow the law and convince them to do so, come back and talk to us.


16 posted on 01/17/2011 10:16:05 PM PST by DakotaRed (Why not just pass a law requiring criminals to obey the laws?)
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To: WilliamHouston
Mister Lugar's term is up in 2012.

Perhaps a well-qualified, Second Amendment-friendly challenger in the GOP primary election is in order.

.

17 posted on 01/17/2011 10:24:00 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: WilliamHouston

With a name like “Lugar” he should know not to shoot his mouth off to often.


18 posted on 01/17/2011 10:25:23 PM PST by jongaltsr (It)
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To: WilliamHouston

Shouldn’t he be concentrating on getting Obamacare repealed as he was elected to do and swore an oath to the Constitution?


19 posted on 01/17/2011 10:33:56 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: WilliamHouston
Hey Indianans, how long are going to harbor this atrocious RINO. Are you not tired of him yet?
20 posted on 01/17/2011 10:38:19 PM PST by fish hawk (reporter to old Indian: you lived here on the reservation all your life? Old Indian, "not yet".)
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To: jongaltsr

Weren’t the dems talking about banning the use of gun terminology? How dare they point a Luger at us!


21 posted on 01/17/2011 10:48:24 PM PST by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: WilliamHouston
Their gun banning rhetoric will just cause more people to buy guns and stock up on high capacity magazines. The old AWB did not prevent people from having "assault weapons" and high cap. magazines, you just couldn't sell any new ones.

eg.

Gun Fanciers Loading Up on Rifles and Clips

22 posted on 01/17/2011 11:17:59 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: WilliamHouston

They’ll need to find someone to unseat Lugar in the GOP primary. Its going to be tough.


23 posted on 01/17/2011 11:37:09 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: LibLieSlayer
One of my all-time favorite Freeper posts, The Unabridged Second Amendment

From an accomplished master of the English language, asked to answer questions as if he was on the witness stand:

[Schulman:] "(6) (If at all possible, I would ask you to take into account the changed meanings of words, or usage, since that sentence was written 200 years ago, but not take into account historical interpretations of the intents of the authors, unless those issues can be clearly separated."

[Copperud:] "To the best of my knowledge, there has been no change in the meaning of words or in usage that would affect the meaning of the amendment. If it were written today, it might be put: "Since a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.'

The word "since". It is to be taken for granted.

The Founders knew that. But the geniuses of today don't know that. They're so much more enlightened and sophisticated than those old dead white guys. They're even smarter than the guys who built the pyramids 4500 years ago.

24 posted on 01/17/2011 11:58:47 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: WilliamHouston
NO!
25 posted on 01/18/2011 12:36:46 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: smokingfrog
Their gun banning rhetoric will just cause more people to buy guns and stock up on high capacity magazines.

Yup. Checked the pantry and decided a couple G18 mags and a G20 15rd would be a few good additions.

26 posted on 01/18/2011 1:21:31 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (My baloney has a first name, it's DEMOCRAT; my baloney has a second name, it's PARTY)
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To: FlyVet

Actually, the best translation would be more like “Since a *well-equipped* militia is necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to own and carry firearms shall not be abridged”.

The original meaning of “regulated” circa the turn of the 18th/19th century meant having a standardized kit issue, and had nothing to do with “regulations” as we currently understand them.


27 posted on 01/18/2011 1:22:38 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig

In other words, one of the words of the amendment *has* changed meaning. Actually, militia has to some extent as well, since nowadays it generally means a paramilitary organization dedicated to internal national defense, whereas back when the amendment was written, it was generally understood to mean something akin to civilian “reserves” drawn voluntarily from the general populace.


28 posted on 01/18/2011 1:26:21 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: WilliamHouston

Another dark evil senile back stabber in the fine tradition of John McCaine. He has been in the Senate for far too long. Five or six terms by now

No doubt his young liberal staffers are doing most of the work now


29 posted on 01/18/2011 1:32:52 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: Little Pig

You’re right, and I’ve heard that before. The writers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights were so much more precise in their language than we are now. They considered each word.


30 posted on 01/18/2011 1:38:44 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: WilliamHouston
"So Lugar is for gun control too now?"

He always was.

31 posted on 01/18/2011 1:41:22 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Little Pig
My state's constitution says that militia is all capable citizens between the ages of 18 and 45. And I'll bet you that a lot of our citizens, and those of many other states, who have similar provision in their constitutions, would be shocked to know that.

"Guess what, you Lefty Loonie...you're in the Militia, whether you like it or not!"

Can you imagine the screaming and crying? And if the S ever really hits the fan, they'll get called.

32 posted on 01/18/2011 1:48:02 AM PST by FlyVet
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To: Little Pig
Regulated meant "controlled", much as it does now. The confusion comes in over the changing useage of the word "militia" (Americans redefined it, but the word "militia" in common english usage in the 1780s meant simply "the Army, in its entirety".

The debate had been over whether or not there should be a standing army, and if so how large it should be.

The colonies had been occupied by the English Army.

Without regulating a standing Army, sooner or later it will dominate the domestic scene--we see this worldwide--and become the government.

The security of a free state (a free country) depends on keeping its military subservient to the population, not the other way around, and to those ends, the posession of arms by the populace would guarantee that the nation's own armed forces, no matter how good militarily, would be less formidable than the entire (armed) populace.

Therein lies the aspect of control, or 'regulation' of the Militia.

Therefore, the Founders sought to maintain the balance of power in favor of the people by guaranteeing the right of the people to (keep and bear) arms not be infringed.

Keep in mind that freedom depends on govenrment being by the consent of the governed, of government being a servant of its citizens and not a master--a concept alien to most of the world, both then and now.

There is a discussion of this balance of arms in the Federalist papers in the discussion of whether or not there should be a standing (professional) Federal army. The discussion of the people bearing arns didn't have anything to do with hunting or even self defense, but the defense of the Republic against being taken over by rogue forces within, and the most likely usurpation of power would utilize the power of the Republic's own standing army against its own citizens.

33 posted on 01/18/2011 2:52:01 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: FlyVet
Today the dim party is evil down deep in their souls... the truth is not in them... they are hellbent to turn America into a marxist state... some are intent on a fascist state with a marxist economic system... and as the nazis and pol pot remind us... the guns must go before the Freedoms and Liberties can be snuffed out... and I only have one thing to say to that:

“FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS”!

LLS

34 posted on 01/18/2011 4:09:29 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: goldstategop
Not after this and the taint of loogie kissing obama's butt so hard that he now carries kenyan breath everywhere he speaks... and he speaks with a forked tongue... thad cochran is going down here... everyone that I know despises the trent lott redux.

LLS

35 posted on 01/18/2011 4:13:25 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: WilliamHouston
Lugar pushes to renew assault weapons ban

Charge that windmill, lugie - Ye-heah!

36 posted on 01/18/2011 4:24:37 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: WilliamHouston
Is Lugar following the path of Arlen Specter and Gov. Christ? He's dissed Tea Party Americans. He knows better and that he knows how to handle the Tea Party.

So, how's Lugar going to do that? Go Left, old fart. Talk the Dem's into not running a candidate and set up for an independent run?

37 posted on 01/18/2011 6:11:56 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Hayseeds aren't a threat to our Second Amendment rights.

Lugar is an elitist Rhodes Scholar type. Those guys are a threat.

38 posted on 01/18/2011 7:40:24 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: WilliamHouston
He has lived in D.C. too long.

Lugar no longer is a representative of the people, he believes he is entitled elite.

He wants to make history,not just influence it.

There is an article on www.indystar.com today,the left in Indiana are praising Lugar like mad, they really do love him and that alone should be enough to primary him,but Indiana politics are a mess........well not a mess heck last time the dems didn't even run against Lugar, it was as if the reps and dems decided Lugar could have a seat and Bayh could have a seat.

They didn't cancel each other out Bayh actually acted as the senior senator, lugar followed along as his poodle.

39 posted on 01/18/2011 8:04:09 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Little Pig
Actually, militia has to some extent as well, since nowadays it generally means a paramilitary organization dedicated to internal national defense, whereas back when the amendment was written, it was generally understood to mean something akin to civilian “reserves” drawn voluntarily from the general populace.

I believe most militia service in early America was compulsory.

40 posted on 01/18/2011 4:44:50 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (My baloney has a first name, it's DEMOCRAT; my baloney has a second name, it's PARTY)
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To: VeniVidiVici

“Actually, militia has to some extent as well, since nowadays it generally means a paramilitary organization dedicated to internal national defense, whereas back when the amendment was written, it was generally understood to mean something akin to civilian “reserves” drawn voluntarily from the general populace.”

And when citizens form ‘militia’ groups they are demonized.


41 posted on 01/31/2011 3:45:58 AM PST by razorbak
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To: goldstategop

Even if he isn’t unseated in the primary, if he has to blow through many millions of dollars like McCain did to defend the seat, I’ll get a small amount of satisfaction out of that.


42 posted on 01/31/2011 4:01:31 AM PST by Nickname
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