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Church Official Calls for ‘All-Russian Dress Code’(No mini-skirts says Russian Orthodox priest)
The New York Times ^ | 18-Jan-2011 | ELLEN BARRY

Posted on 01/18/2011 12:32:52 PM PST by Cronos

A top official for the Russian Orthodox Church on Tuesday proposed creating an “all-Russian dress code,” lashing out at women who leave the house “painted like a clown” and “confuse the street with striptease.”.....

He argued that clothing is not a private business, and that he hoped that Russia would soon be a place where scantily-dressed women or men in track suits would not be admitted into public venues.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Russia
KEYWORDS: fashion; mini; russia; russianorthodox
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I tend to agree with the Russian Priest /flame suit on!
1 posted on 01/18/2011 12:32:57 PM PST by Cronos
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To: MarMema; kosta50; kronos77; Kolokotronis; Honorary Serb

ping!


2 posted on 01/18/2011 12:34:36 PM PST by Cronos (Bobby Jindal 2012)
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To: Cronos

I am friendly with some Orthodox folks here in Manhattan. The priest, who is about my age (early 50s)really gets peeved when women come in in mini-skirts. Some of the more pious people wear head-coverings. He doesn’t want the guys coming in wearing t-shirts and gym shorts. But this priest in Russia is advocating a dress code for more than just church. OK, ladies, drag out that babushka.


3 posted on 01/18/2011 12:39:54 PM PST by brooklyn dave (Support your local Tea Party)
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To: brooklyn dave

A German court just ruled that women must wear bras at work. White or Flesh colored only and the women must have clean finger nails. Please cue up the photo from Bananas.


4 posted on 01/18/2011 12:43:10 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy
A German court just ruled that women must wear bras at work.

The ACLU would be all over that one like maggots on garbage.

5 posted on 01/18/2011 12:45:37 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Cronos
I tend to agree with the Russian Priest /flame suit on!

“If she is actively inviting contact, and then is surprised that this contact ends with a rape, she is all the more at fault.”

Oh yeah. Nothing to disagree with there. /s

6 posted on 01/18/2011 12:51:14 PM PST by PalmettoMason (It's easy being a menace to society when WAY OVER half the population is happy being sheep.)
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To: Cronos

Do you also agree with the Taliban? I believe they’re not pleased with mini-skirts either.

How about just “No fat chicks”? I could support that one.


7 posted on 01/18/2011 12:56:51 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Cronos

In other news, a study has found that children who play on the interstate highways are killed by cars more often than those children who play in their backyards.


8 posted on 01/18/2011 1:04:03 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Cronos

If I had a role to play regarding Russian morality, it might be awhile before I got around to a dress code for non-ecclesiastical functions


9 posted on 01/18/2011 1:04:59 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: Cronos

10 posted on 01/18/2011 1:07:03 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Cronos

Have we exported some kooks to Russia///????


11 posted on 01/18/2011 1:07:45 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Cronos
He looks like Orson Welles. Maybe he wants everyone in Soviet overcoats.


12 posted on 01/18/2011 1:11:47 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: BenLurkin

awwwwwwwwwwwwww :D


13 posted on 01/18/2011 1:24:19 PM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT
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To: Cronos

When truth is spoken to corruption - well look who howls.


14 posted on 01/18/2011 1:28:06 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory; and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Cronos

Obviously girls wearing revealing clothes should not drink in places where rapists drink.


15 posted on 01/18/2011 1:30:03 PM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Cronos
He argued that clothing is not a private business, and that he hoped that Russia would soon be a place where scantily-dressed women or men in track suits would not be admitted into public venues.

I'd settle for a law that forces men to remove their hats when they're inside.

16 posted on 01/18/2011 1:33:43 PM PST by HIDEK6
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To: muir_redwoods

“If I had a role to play regarding Russian morality, it might be awhile before I got around to a dress code for non-ecclesiastical functions”

Well, you have to start somewhere. This may be a good place.

Some seem to think the two choices are: burkas or public nudity.

I think there is a solid middle.

You could set basic community standards without destroying freedom. We already have laws against public nudity, and we seem to be coping with those just fine.


17 posted on 01/18/2011 1:41:41 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Cronos

The priesthood is the enemy of freedom, no priest ridden people ever have full freedom. The guy is clearly deranged,,, Russian women should dress just the way they do. Can’t believe we might have nuked them,,, all those hotties!


18 posted on 01/18/2011 1:51:04 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Persevero
Actually laws against public nudity are not universal in the US. There are states where it is perfectly legal to be nude.

I'm not sure the Orthodox Priest has a role to play enforcing his views on non-church members. I wouldn't want Mormons or Baptists, for example, deciding the issue of liquor permits for everyone. He should counsel his flock and grow it if he can.

19 posted on 01/18/2011 1:54:08 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: muir_redwoods

In what state can you walk around nude in public?


20 posted on 01/18/2011 1:58:08 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DesertRhino
The priesthood is the enemy of freedom, no priest ridden people ever have full freedom.

Gosh, as I recall, the Russians decided to get rid of all that religion crap a while back. Remind me - did they become more free afterward, or less?
21 posted on 01/18/2011 2:04:11 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Persevero
In VT, I believe in Brattleboro, there is no law on public nudity. A few years ago it was a fad for high school kids to loiter around downtown naked. They finally harrassed them enough with the loitering statutes to make them stop or the fad ran its course. In NY women can go topless should they choose and in Maine several women made a case that the controlling legislation which barred the display of genitalia did not apply to wmen because their genitalia is internal and not on display when naked. They won that case but I believe the Maine legislature may have adressed that oversight.

Sadly, I am not an authority on this subject but I believe several states besides NY do not require women to wear tops

22 posted on 01/18/2011 2:06:17 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: fr_freak

‘History provides no example of a preist ridden people maintaining a free civil government’ Jefferson

Nowhere does that quote suggest doing what the soviets did, don’t be trite. The idea is that preists need to stay in their domain. He wants a law telling people out in town to dress according to his code.

You imply that the choice is a priesthood that dominates society, or a priesthood in the gulag. That’s a false choice,,, this guys job is to teach and convince, not to create law enforcing his belief.


23 posted on 01/18/2011 2:18:12 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: brooklyn dave

>>>”OK, ladies, drag out that babushka.”<<<

lol

Maybe the Russian Orthodox Church had Vladimir Putin’s ‘alleged’ affair with that 26 yr old gymnast Alina Kabayeva in mind..

Or, maybe Russian Orthodox Church is taking lessons from Iranian Ayatollahs ‘morality police’ regarding ‘dress code’ for women!

Seriously, I don’t think one can effectively ‘legislate’ against matters that are largely & essentially about upbringing, values, having a sense of personal judgement & decorum. Then again, I know quite a few Russians, and based on what I’ve heard, Russia & generally many Eastern European countries (similar to their southeast asian counterparts) have serious social challenges ... “Mail Order Brides” is an interesting concept & practice!


24 posted on 01/18/2011 2:18:26 PM PST by odds
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To: DesertRhino
You imply that the choice is a priesthood that dominates society, or a priesthood in the gulag. That’s a false choice,,, this guys job is to teach and convince, not to create law enforcing his belief.

I made no such implication. You came right out and stated that priests interfere with freedom, and I provided you with an instance, in the very country in question, where individuals with your enthusiasm for removing priests from society didn't bring about any greater level of freedom.

The fact is that, in a free society, anyone can say anything they want. It doesn't endanger anyone's freedom for a priest to say that women shouldn't wear mini-skirts. Heck, it doesn't endanger anyone's freedom for a priest to say that mini-skirt wearers should be arrested, unless the priest is running the government. Is this priest running the government? Nope, and not likely to, either. Yet, someone like you, when exposed to the opinion of another human being which doesn't agree with yours, says "Oh no!! We must fear that person! He will ruin our lives because he doesn't say things I agree with!" I actually think that your attitude is the greater threat to freedom than this priest, just as the Soviets were the greater threat (they also wanted to silence dissenting speech).
25 posted on 01/18/2011 2:25:11 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Cronos

What is a mini-skirt?

hehehehe


26 posted on 01/18/2011 2:32:12 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: fr_freak

I was clear enough and never suggested priests be eliminated. Jyst that they should not seek to enforce their desires through law.

I will go enjoy the russian women in mini skirts,,,, and you go enjoy whatever you prefer to look at. lol


27 posted on 01/18/2011 2:36:19 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: fr_freak

besides read closer, he didn’t just give an opinion. He wants a dress code mandatory for all of russia.


28 posted on 01/18/2011 2:39:40 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
preists need to stay in their domain.

He's a Russian citizen, isn't he? Does his ordained status cause him to lose the right to speak out about Russian social issues and politics? Ordained men should be banned from the public square -- isn't that what you want?

29 posted on 01/18/2011 2:50:08 PM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: DesertRhino
He wants a dress code mandatory for all of russia.

And you want a speech code. The big difference between you and him being that he's a citizen of the place and a member of its cultural/social structure -- and you're not.

30 posted on 01/18/2011 2:53:22 PM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: Romulus

No need to overreact, I just want guys like him to lose when they argue for national dress codes that are based in his religious sensibilities rather than widely accepted norms, such as not being topless. I would feel the same if the mormons for example, wanted a law requiring all women to wear homespun dresses.


31 posted on 01/18/2011 3:05:43 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Romulus

hey sport I never suggest of the speech code, I just want to speech to get laughed at.


32 posted on 01/18/2011 3:07:43 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
In Russia, the Orthodox Church is the widely accepted norm. Russia is not religiously/culturally/ethnically fragmented like America. This priest's words will sound like mere common sense to Russians, as well as to the few remaining Americans that haven't lost their minds.
33 posted on 01/18/2011 3:10:23 PM PST by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: Romulus

sorry, droid’s a pain sometimes. That is, I want his speech snickered at when he wants to be a boss of society.


34 posted on 01/18/2011 3:10:28 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Romulus

what was the mormon russia the wouldn’t need to be a law, now would be there? But ok,, we can do it your way,,, all the women should dress like the amish to make SOME men feel better! lol


35 posted on 01/18/2011 3:15:20 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Romulus

That is, if it were the norm there, as you opine. There would’t NEED to be a law, would there? For example, not walking around naked, IS a norm. Therefore, no law is needed.


36 posted on 01/18/2011 3:20:38 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Persevero
In what state can you walk around nude in public?

Usually drunk.

37 posted on 01/18/2011 3:51:33 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: muir_redwoods

“Public nudity, although not always welcomed by the denizens of the town, was not forbidden by any Vermont statute or Brattleboro ordinance until July 17, 2007. The town has drawn national attention when nudists make a visit to take advantage of the situation.

On July 17, 2007, Brattleboro town officials passed an emergency rule by a 3–2 margin, temporarily “banning nudity on the main roads and within 250 feet of any school or place of worship, among other places” due to a number of complaints.

On August 22, 2007, the Brattleboro Selectboard decided not to make the ban on nudity permanent, once again allowing nudity in the town when the temporary statute ran out in September.

However, on December 4, 2007 the Selectboard made the ban permanent. Nudity is now banned, and one faces a $100 charge if cited.”


38 posted on 01/18/2011 5:05:35 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DesertRhino; fr_freak

“That’s a false choice,,, this guys job is to teach and convince, not to create law enforcing his belief.”

What if the Orthodox Priest believes it is a sin to murder? Should he encourage laws against it?

What if he believes it is a sin to steal? Shall he work for that to be illegal?

What moral beliefs is he allowed to want reflected in the civil code, and what moral beliefs are excluded?


39 posted on 01/18/2011 5:09:26 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

Trite argument. Murder and theft are crimes against the rights of a specific individual, THAT is why they are codified. Athiest and saved both agree that they dont want to be murdered or be the victim of theft.

But this guy wants women to dress in a way that satisfies his religion. Her wearing a short skirt “doesn’t pick a pocket, nor break a bone”.

Thats why he shouldn’t expect to get a LAW. Maybe i dont like to see a man in a dress,, should there be a law that he can’t walk around in womens clothes? My preacher wears pants, like a man. See the problem?


40 posted on 01/18/2011 5:40:31 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Persevero

“What moral beliefs is he allowed to want reflected in the civil code, and what moral beliefs are excluded?”

An example would be church attendance, or maybe fasting for lent, or maybe women working outside the home. He might have sincere and theologically correct positions on those issues,,, but i believe he would be morally wrong to try to codify them into civil law. Thats not for him to IMPOSE on those outside his flock.

OTOH, When there is a violation of a persons individual rights, such as murder or theft, we write a law.

Your only defense is to become a theocrat or collectivist. That church should rule temporally, or that the collective is the most important unit of rights. (the same argument the anti-gun crowd uses to attack the 2nd amendment)


41 posted on 01/18/2011 5:50:26 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

‘OTOH, When there is a violation of a persons individual rights, such as murder or theft, we write a law.”

But then we must decide what a person’s individual rights are.

Do I have the right to be in the public square without being literally forced to look at naked people?

I say I do.


42 posted on 01/18/2011 5:58:17 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DesertRhino

“Athiest and saved both agree that they dont want to be murdered or be the victim of theft.”

I disagree.

There are many atheists and others, some may actually claim to be saved, who actually kill and steal, so, there are truly plenty of people who would not mind if murder and/or theft were legal or unpunished.

I don’t think I have a trite argument. My argument is: you can’t arbitrarily decide what religious beliefs can be codified into law, and what can’t.

Because your arbitrary decision are different than mine are different from Ted Bundy are different from the imam are different from Charles Manson are different from my grandma.

I could certainly support a law against cross dressing. I am sure a good majority if not a plurality of Americans would support it. Is it majority rule? Or, if not, what then is our standard?


43 posted on 01/18/2011 6:02:15 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

Well it’s still legal for women to go topless in NY state which I guarantee would give the good father apoplexy


44 posted on 01/18/2011 6:09:01 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: muir_redwoods

State parks, anyway.

“Some communities such as New York State, and the province of Ontario, Canada, have made it legal for women to go topless. Though in New York State it is only legal in state parks and is celebrated yearly by the Buffalo Six. Women in both areas have faced legal battles to obtain those rights, though few take advantage of them.”


45 posted on 01/18/2011 6:11:30 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DesertRhino
besides read closer, he didn’t just give an opinion. He wants a dress code mandatory for all of russia.

Yeah, and unless he is an influential government official, what he wants is still just his opinion. That's why it is silly to get all bent out of shape about it.
46 posted on 01/18/2011 6:28:32 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Persevero

“There are many atheists and others, some may actually claim to be saved, who actually kill and steal, so, there are truly plenty of people who would not mind if murder and/or theft were legal or unpunished.”

You miss the point entirely. Homicide is illegal because of the people who do not want ***their*** right to life violated via murder, by others, NOT because everybody agrees that you shouldn’t murder.

YOUR point that there are some people who would love to steal and murder, is why we have a law. To protect the people who want to be protected from them.

You certainly can arbitrarily do it. The answer is this,, we do not codify religious belief into law. For example, you do not outlaw eating meat of friday, etc. Law is centered around the individual and their god given rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Rights involve what you are free to do without harming others. A miniskirt harms nobody.


47 posted on 01/18/2011 9:16:20 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: fr_freak

Ok, then we will disagree. Just like the left does, this man and you think every “good idea” should be a law. A progessive wants me to have a spaghetti light bulb, and not to drive an SUV. And this guy wants the women to be required by law to dress to his taste. Same thing,,,

Best stopped the minute they start up the idea.


48 posted on 01/18/2011 9:20:50 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Persevero

“Is it majority rule? Or, if not, what then is our standard?”

NO, it isn’t majority rule, it is a constitutional republic. The standard is, does it pick your pocket or break your bone? If not, freedom is the default. No society needs the preachers often good ideas to have force of law. I have yet to have you articulate why it should be a law to make women dress to the standard of the most modest people here. Thats the taliban way.

Thats the operating system called “Europe 1.0”


49 posted on 01/18/2011 9:25:28 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
Just like the left does, this man and you think every “good idea” should be a law.

Wow, you really haven't understood all that much in this conversation, have you? You go ahead and have a good night, but look out! there might be a priest under your bed! And he might have an opinion about something!
50 posted on 01/18/2011 9:36:19 PM PST by fr_freak
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