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Occult Pagan Revival Signals Death of America and the West
Renew America ^ | Jan. 18, 2011 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 01/19/2011 5:52:29 AM PST by spirited irish

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To: valiant4thetruth

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51 posted on 01/19/2011 7:18:28 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Bitsy

Yes, we do win. Amen.


52 posted on 01/19/2011 7:19:46 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr; MrB; valiant4thetruth

Universalist.

I’m sorry but that is a sad way to go through life.

Jesus said HE was THE Way, THE Truth and THE life. Not “A” Way. So, either He was telling the truth, and Christianity is the ONLY way, or He was lying.

It can’t be both.

BTW, I despise ‘organized religion’, been there, done that, but a relationship with Jesus Christ doesn’t necessarily equal organized religion (denominational-ism).


53 posted on 01/19/2011 7:19:48 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: spirited irish

Have to read later when I wake up more.


54 posted on 01/19/2011 7:20:30 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: reaganaut

Jesus also explicitly made a claim to divinity.
So either He IS God, or he’s a lunatic or a very wicked man.

There is no middle ground of
“He was a good teacher and lived to provide an example.”


55 posted on 01/19/2011 7:21:49 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: reaganaut

Sad, why?

I believe God is capable of anything, so it can be multiple ways...just depends on what He has planned for you.


56 posted on 01/19/2011 7:22:12 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: spirited irish
I really look forward to Linda's articles ,she has a great gift to synthesize what is going on in the world ,I learn a lot from her ,and gather much food for thought.Thanks for the blessing .

“Now you hear a lot of jokes about silent Cal Coolidge,but I think the joke is on the people that make jokes because if you look at his record , he cut taxes four times.We had probably the greatest growth and prosperity that we've ever known. And I have taken heed of that because if he did nothing,maybe that's the answer[for] the federal government.”

Ronald Reagan

57 posted on 01/19/2011 7:27:59 AM PST by valiant4thetruth
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To: MrB

Amen.


58 posted on 01/19/2011 7:28:30 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: dfwgator

wow.. love that graphic. Some favorites of mine. what was this from do you know?


59 posted on 01/19/2011 7:30:05 AM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: stuartcr

Not being sure of anything. Universalism is all ‘feel good’, every thing will work out for the best, no Hell, no punishment, just New Age karma.

That isn’t how God works.

Again, you did not respond. Do you think Jesus is a liar? Or was He telling the truth?

It cannot be both.


60 posted on 01/19/2011 7:30:29 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: DollyCali

Dragnet.


61 posted on 01/19/2011 7:33:18 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: reaganaut

Unlike you, I do not know how God works, I just have a belief.

If that is what He really said, then I believe it was the truth for Christians.

Obviously, I believe it can be both.


62 posted on 01/19/2011 7:52:32 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr

Just because you believe something, does not make it true or logical.

That is the problem with Universalism, logical fallacies.

Truth is absolute, not relative. If it were, then Liberals would be just as ‘right’ as conservatives. Liberalism must be ‘true’ for them. Right?


63 posted on 01/19/2011 8:02:08 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I’m sorry ,but you must have me confused with someone else.


64 posted on 01/19/2011 8:02:17 AM PST by valiant4thetruth
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To: stuartcr

The Bible tells us how God works. It isn’t my personal knowledge, it is because the Bible says so.

I gave up the idea of ‘personal revelation’ over the Bible when I left Mormonism.


65 posted on 01/19/2011 8:03:21 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: valiant4thetruth; stuartcr; MrB

I was responding to Stuartcr, and commenting on your comment with MrB.


66 posted on 01/19/2011 8:06:37 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

“Personal revelation” just means defining God, morality, right and wrong, and good and evil for yourself as you judge to be fit.

Somewhere I read something about a famous personage saying we could do this...
oh, yeah, Genesis 3:5. Satan. “you will be as gods, knowing good and evil”


67 posted on 01/19/2011 8:14:02 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB

Far more often than not that is exactly what it amounts to.

Do I believe God can speak to me through His word? Of course, but if what I believe counters the Bible then it is not from God.


68 posted on 01/19/2011 8:16:49 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

That’s what I’ve said as well.
It doesn’t matter how strongly I believe something.
If the Bible contradicts my belief, _I_ am wrong. It’s not.

That’s what “ultimate authority” means.


69 posted on 01/19/2011 8:18:57 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: reaganaut

Yes, I know. Since I could be either right or wrong or in-between, I go with what I believe God put in me. I don’t believe what we are limited to with human logic, can be applied to understanding God though.

I believe truth as we know it, is only absolute to the individual.


70 posted on 01/19/2011 8:23:23 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: reaganaut

And, as a believer in the bible, I’m sure that’s good for you.


71 posted on 01/19/2011 8:24:47 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: MrB

Exactly. It was a lesson I had to learn in a very painful way.


72 posted on 01/19/2011 8:32:31 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: stuartcr

I will pray for you, you have no idea how deadly your views are.

It really is sad, to go thorough life with no absolutes.


73 posted on 01/19/2011 8:36:31 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I guess for you and those that need absolutes to apply to everyone, it could be sad. Although I don’t know why.

As I said, I believe we all have absolutes, it’s just that they are individual. Thanks for the prayers though.


74 posted on 01/19/2011 8:40:15 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr

As I said, I believe we all have absolutes, it’s just that they are individual.

- - - - -
So, liberalism is just as valid as conservatism? It is just individual absolutes right?

Abortion is ok? Murder? Stealing? Satanism?


75 posted on 01/19/2011 8:57:53 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: spirited irish

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76 posted on 01/19/2011 9:05:55 AM PST by dubyagee (Thrilled to be here...)
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To: stuartcr
I believe we all have absolutes, it’s just that they are individual

Umm... have you ever read a book on logic?

77 posted on 01/19/2011 9:07:10 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: reaganaut

I am no universalist.
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder
. Paul tells us if a man be overtaken in a fault to restore such a one in a spirit of meekness considering yourself lest you also be tempted .I agree there are many false and heretical doctrines out there. In this I agree with John Locke
“Everyman thinks he is orthodox”
On a good day I see through a glass darkly.Any man who say’s he doesn’t sin is a liar and the truth is not in him.I get it wrong often.
2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
Paul the Apostle
I do know Jesus is the way

1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
1Co 16:23 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.


78 posted on 01/19/2011 9:17:56 AM PST by valiant4thetruth
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To: valiant4thetruth; stuartcr

I know you are not a universalist. Stuart apparently is, and he was the first one in the reply.

I was agreeing with you. No chip at all. We are on the same side.


79 posted on 01/19/2011 9:28:44 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

I don’t know what the people that commit those acts think. To me they aren’t ok.


80 posted on 01/19/2011 9:31:32 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: MrB

As I stated numerous times before, I do not believe what we hold as logical, can be applied to these subjects.


81 posted on 01/19/2011 9:34:06 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr

So you oppose them for no reason? Or do you not oppose them at all?

If it is ok for them, then it should be fine right?

No moral absolutes.


82 posted on 01/19/2011 9:35:49 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: stuartcr

But you can’t judge them as wrong.
Their “absolutes” could be different from yours,
and neither yours nor theirs could be judged as
“better” or “worse” without an objective, external, and absolute standard to refer to.

You make yourself into a moral cretin with this worldview.


83 posted on 01/19/2011 9:36:42 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: reaganaut

I oppose them because that is the way I am. People still have to obey laws, even if they think it’s ok to do something illegal, don’t they?


84 posted on 01/19/2011 10:00:46 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: spirited irish

Thank you so much for the ping to this engaging essay!


85 posted on 01/19/2011 10:02:33 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: MrB

I don’t judge them at all. That is why we have laws.


86 posted on 01/19/2011 10:07:02 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: spirited irish

WAY too many “ISM’s” for me!


87 posted on 01/19/2011 10:10:00 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
What, if any is your faith, then?

Apparently AVISism.

88 posted on 01/19/2011 10:12:43 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MrB
AVISism:

You’re gonna have to work REALLY HARD to make sure your “good stuff” “balances out” your “bad stuff”...

89 posted on 01/19/2011 10:13:30 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MrB

Seems we’ve done what is required...


John 6:28-29 

Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"

Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."


90 posted on 01/19/2011 10:16:21 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stuartcr

Abortion is legal? Do you oppose that?


91 posted on 01/19/2011 10:18:44 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: stuartcr
I believe God is capable of anything, so it can be multiple ways...just depends on what He has planned for you.

Can this GOD you imagine use CONFLICTING ways to accomplish his ends?

92 posted on 01/19/2011 10:19:05 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: stuartcr
Obviously, I believe it can be both.

"Pete; it's a fool that looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart."

--Everett McGill

93 posted on 01/19/2011 10:21:54 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
Of course, but if what I believe counters the Bible then it is not from God.

You'd make a poor MORMON!

--MormonDude(Oh... WAIT...)

94 posted on 01/19/2011 10:23:39 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut

It’s never been much of an issue with me. I can see how it would be ok in some instances.


95 posted on 01/19/2011 10:24:17 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr
To me they aren’t ok.

Not to worry; that is where their god has put them; absolutely.

96 posted on 01/19/2011 10:25:29 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I don’t believe that God sees things the same way we do. What we may conceive of as a conflict, may not be to Him. I think we are very limited in knowing the ways of God.


97 posted on 01/19/2011 10:27:54 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Elsie

??? ok


98 posted on 01/19/2011 10:28:41 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Elsie

??? ok


99 posted on 01/19/2011 10:29:50 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr

Sad. Very Sad.

Do you consider yourself a libertarian, then?


100 posted on 01/19/2011 10:37:03 AM PST by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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