Skip to comments.Bondi, Aronberg Aim to Shut Down 'Pill Mills' (Florida Bipartisan Effort)
Posted on 01/19/2011 7:22:48 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
Calling Florida "the drug supplier for the rest of the country," former state Sen. Dave Aronberg is leading Attorney General Pam Bondi's fight against "pill mills."
Aronberg, a Greenacres Democrat, was selected by Bondi, a Republican, based on his long-running battle against the abuse of prescription drugs.
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So she is going to separate all the little old retired people in Florida from their pain medication. The term stepped in it comes to mind.
No, she is going to make it much more difficult for addicts from out of state to drive down here to get their fix. :)
Doggone right. They never even told us she was running. She was more of a secret than Allen West. That girl is *PHAT*! (PHAT stands for Pretty Hot And Tempting)
No, I know a glory hound when I see one, and I was pointing out the attack that will be launched against it. I am sure she will have a very good power point presentation about the subject one day and then move on to the next power point presentation. Much easier than cracking down illegals.
there are pill mills. (questionable pharmacies)
but how do you seperate the legitimate customer from the illigitimate abuser?
Pain pills are to make the “in pain” feel normal. Contrast with the normal feeling “too good”.
(s) of courst this could be a matter for the obamacare death pannels. If you quality of life is so bad without expensive and costly to the collective then perhaps a duty to die exists...(/s)
I’m so tired of hearing people complain about “pill mills”.
Yes we have bad abuse. I’ve met abusers. But even more I meet people in lots of pain, who can’t afford the expensive trip to pain specialists.
What people forget is in FL we have lots of disabled people (they can’t take the cold winters) who live in pain. People who have chronic, severe pain can’t afford the $200 or so bucks it takes to walk into the office of the “approved” pain specialists.
Many folks have never walked into these offices. You will see a bunch of people hunched over, in chairs and with canes and walkers, with applicances and bandages and dogs and every what not. Their faces are marked. I talked to one the other day who said she had to “school her face” because everyone thought she was angry all the time, when she was just in pain.
well she was a reporter/commentator
I got an idea! How about we make possession of these drugs ILLEGAL! And we can authorize the cops to search your house under the flimsiest of excuses and take your home if we find out you were selling pills there!
What a great idea! It’s bound to work!
Yes, your certainly have the Debbie Downer act perfected. All based on zip, since I doubt you’ve got any real world experience or knowledge about Pam. :)
‘salright, won’t effect my thumbs up to her efforts.
It is not Doctors giving pills to old folks...it is Doctors who run a side business giving pills to anyone who pays cash for an visit. They know who they are..and so do all the addicts and peddlers.
We had a young member of our extended family who used a Pediatrician in Ft. Lauderdale...his early hours practice was just for drug users...
The glorious War on Drugs rolls on, and a 'Drug-Free America' utopia gets closer and closer. Your wife is just collateral damage, doncha know ...
“It is not Doctors giving pills to old folks...it is Doctors who run a side business giving pills to anyone who pays cash for an visit”
What is needed is a good prescription drug monitoring system to identify doctor shoppers and doctors that ignore patients that are doctor shopping. The second important measure is diligent urine drug testing to identify patients that are using illegal drugs or other narcotics. Many patients get narcotics from other “friends” in relatively small amounts. The third measure is running court checks on patients to determine if they have evidence of anti-social behavior or prescription fraud.
A person paying cash will raise suspicion (as do people on Medicaid), but it is not per se a contraindication to the use of narcotics for chronic pain. In many cases, cash paying patients are individuals that work but do not have insurance but nonetheless, they still have legitimate indications for narcotic medications. In many cases, these people do not have good credit and accepting other forms of payment results in non-payment.
With 0bamacare looming on the horizon, we will want to preserve our ability to use cash for medical treatment. Some people will want to have truly confidential medical evaluations and records that cannot be tracked by Big Brother.
So if I’m a pain patient I need to have the state checking me out to see if I am anti-social?
And I have had urine tests that were 100% wrong. It’s very upsetting to be told you are using a med when you’ve never even heard of it.
It’s sort of like guns. The criminals get them anyway and the good folks just suffer more. And believe me, having a pain prescription is like putting a target on your back - from both crooks AND the law.
“So if Im a pain patient I need to have the state checking me out to see if I am anti-social?
No. Anyone can check public criminal records on the internet in most states. Doctors that prescribe narcotics do this routinely to check if their patients have been convicted of prescription fraud or violent activity.
“And I have had urine tests that were 100% wrong. Its very upsetting to be told you are using a med when youve never even heard of it.”
The accuracy of the urine test depends on the substance tested and the type of test used. It is true that the rapid qualitative screen is not 100% accurate, so positive or other suspicious results need to be confirmed with mass spectroscopy. Some substances such as psuedephdrine for example, can cross react with amphetamines. If however, a patient tests positive on the mass spec for cocaine, that patient is to a reasonable degree of medical certainly deemed to have consumed cocaine even if the patient refutes the claim. The accuracy of the mass spec is much more accurate than a person’s testimony. If it were not, there would be no point of urine drug testing and no one would ever lie about their drug use. I suppose one could argue that samples could be mixed up as with any other test, but the chance of this happening is much lower than a person lying about their drug use.
With urine drug testing, devil is in the details and your doctor needs to know the details.
Florida has an enormous problem with pill mills. Drive up to any major intersection in Tampa, and you’ll see “Pain Management” signs (handmade/painted) all over the place. People can walk into one of these places, claim to have some debilitating condition, and walk out with a script for Oxy, etc.
My brother was a pill addict, and this was how he got his fix, just hopscotching from one to another. It has to stop.
Ok and how would address that problem?
I feel badly for your brother but here is where the problem gets worse: looking to Big Government Nannies who must regulate what others choose to put in their bodies. I'm not saying thats what you are proposing but many seem to go down that horrible path.
Trying to protect those who make chronic bad decisions by depriving liberties from those who do not make bad choices is just wrong.
It's because of people like her that Doctors are afraid to prescribe adequate pain medication to their patients. As if dealing with the DEA weren't enough, now they have to worry about this chick sticking her nose into what's supposed to be a private, confidential relationship.
Talk about not getting it.
Why? Who cares if some idiots kill themselves with prescription medicines. I don't. I'd rather have them getting their fix from a pharmacy than some pusher on the street.
What we have here is another Nanny State RINO. If it weren't for the fact that she has a nice rack most here wouldn't be giving her a second thought. And rightly so, apparently.
It’s not just old people who have problems. Ever met anyone who was in a car accident and permanently damaged bones? How about folks with severe arthritis and bone degeneration or other bone problems?
Did you know that the pain doc is only allowed to write the scrip for one month? That means you have to go every month and ‘pay a copay’ every month.
They are punishing patients more than they are preventing crime.
How many died from drunk drivers in Florida Ms Bondi? What are you doing about that? How about a tax on alcohol just like cigarettes? Both are vices that aren’t good but I’ve never heard anyone lose their composure and kill someone by crashing their car into them because they smoked too much tobacco. Ooops went off topic....
Fight the crime, don’t punish the patients.
Thanks, it is no use to point out how it really is, they don’t care that people are mistreated, it’s just like the gun controls freaks. Arrest the druggies leave the other people along.
This isn’t about people legally obtaining prescription pain medication. This is about people faking illness to get a script for pain medication and then turning around to sell that medication at $100 a pill for massive profit. This stuff is legalized cocaine. Narcotics are narcotics whether sold by a pharmacy or on a ghetto street corner.
This was going on way before Bondi. I understand where you’re coming from with the Nanny State stuff, but this is not about freedom to put whatever you want into your body. These drugs are going from a chronic faker into the hands of other addicts and causing major problems.
My brother is alive, thank God, and through the power of the church and NA, he’s been able to get his life back on track. When you see someone who was your best friend turn into an addled lunatic pawning mom’s jewelry for a fix, you understand the gravity of the problem.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
Legalize the crap. All of it. Sell it in five pound bags at Safeway to anyone over the age of majority at market prices. Get the gangs out of the business and the Government back into the Constitutional prison designed for it.
I'm sick of paying to babysit these people and I'm really sick of watching the Government trash the Constitution and destroy liberty in order to protect these people from themselves.
I already have to show more ID to buy cold medicine than I do to cast a vote in a Federal election. I'm fed up with it. Let them kill themselves. I no longer care.
Your 'cure' is worse than the disease.
Ya know, Lurker, I wasn’t going to respond to your post. I threw up my hands and just said, “Forget it.”
However, I want to thank you. I went back and read a bunch of my posts in drug-related threads, and I’ve stated the exact same argument as you numerous times. In this case I was letting my personal emotions cloud the fact that I really hate government getting involved in our lives.
It would take a few million people to die from overdoses before the general public pretty much eschewed the drug of choice in those ODs. You’d have your outliers, your “that can’t happen to me” crowd, but in general, people won’t look to those drugs for a quick fix.
I believe in survival of the fittest. I believe that we have the right to pursue happiness but that it’s not a God-given right. We have to want to be happy to achieve that happiness, and, being a recovering alcoholic and former pot smoker, I can say that no drug has ever made me happier than I am when I’m sober, healthy, active, and motivated.
All of that aside, I agree with you that this regulatory garbage has got to stop. Unfortunately due to the unconstitutional DEA and fearmongers in the media, the drug war will never wind down, only get worse. Until we can return this country to the Constitution and let personal responsibility reign once again, we’ll continue to have those in politics and the media who say that we’re calloused and cruel to let these people kill themselves. In my book, however, let them waste their lives away as long as I’m not paying for their rehab or their habit.
My sincerest apologies for arguing. The personal nature of my experience clouded my thinking. Thank you for keeping me grounded in fact and truth.
Or, we could allow the states to work out their OWN problems...like “patients” coming in from out of state to “doctors” who prescribe “medicine” to them.
I happen to believe states have the right to regulate businesses within their borders—it is fundamental to the concept of federalism.
I've had a lot of experience with addicts myself. My ex managed to get herself addicted to cocaine a couple decades ago. It was about the ugliest thing I've ever seen. And I have a couple of recovering alcoholics in my immediate family. I've seen the struggle they go through daily so I completely empathize.
I call my attitude, proposed 'solution', whatever you want to call it "National Tough Love Drug Policy". I figure it would take about 6 months to a year for all the hardcore idiots to kill themselves off with the legal, purer, market price poison. I'd be willing to pay a bit extra for the cleanup, but not a single dime to subsidize their habits.
Once the majority of them have either kicked or died and the streets are swept clean of the corpses, the rest of us adults can go on about our lives and maybe, just maybe, we can take one small step towards casting the Federal Government back into the Constitutional prison our Fathers designed for it.
My sincerest apologies for arguing.
No apology is necessary. This place was built for arguing. LOL.
I can say that no drug has ever made me happier than I am when Im sober, healthy, active, and motivated.
That's very true. And we're all going to need to be those things to face whats coming. I have no doubt about that.
You have my sincerest best wishes for a continued recovery. One day at a time my friend, one day at a time.