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SHOT Show: Kel-Tec KSG Bullpup Shotgun Explained
The Truth About Guns ^ | 18 January, 2011 | Robert Farago

Posted on 01/19/2011 7:05:32 PM PST by marktwain

Kel-Tec’s KSG is a SHOT Show stopper, with crowds hovering over the bullpup like disaster victims over Red Cross food supplies. OK, maybe not that desperately. But there’s no question that Kel-Tec will sell every one of their 1000-unit initial run of their space-saving man stopper. The company says they’re aiming to produce 5000 units in 2011. With law enforcement types sniffing around, there’s every chance they’ll ramp up from there. Firearms fans familiar with the Kel-Tec brand will cross their fingers on the quality front. We can report that the gun’s fit and finish look fine. Though that chamber selector is a bit far back for my tastes (video after the jump), the ergonomics are sound. It looks crazy, but the $880 msrp KSG just might work . .

Kel-Tec’s thinking about putting holes in the barrels near the grip so owners can see if a given tube’s empty. At the moment, there’s only one way to tell if a chamber’s empty: CLICK. And one way to tell if the gun’s empty: turn it over and look for the followers (neither a follower nor a negligent discharger be).


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; bullpup; keltec; shotgun
Two video clips at the link.
1 posted on 01/19/2011 7:05:34 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I really like that. Only.....Kel Tec inspires no confidence in quality. Maybe they have improved or changed. I haven’t followed them.
The shotgun look cool though.


2 posted on 01/19/2011 7:14:35 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: marktwain

I’m intrigued. Wish it was semi-automatic.


3 posted on 01/19/2011 7:24:13 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("[T]here is nothing so aggravating [in life] as being condescended to by an idiot" ~ Ann Coulter)
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To: marktwain

Video link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2pH5yygJ0I&feature=player_embedded


4 posted on 01/19/2011 7:27:05 PM PST by shibumi (I am the Astro-Creep, demolition style an American Freak!)
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To: IrishCatholic

I can’t speak for the KSG, but I’ve had an SU-16c for a while now and it has never malfunctioned. The SU is a great lightweight rifle. Having said that, I have heard of some issues with their pistols.


5 posted on 01/19/2011 7:40:53 PM PST by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: davetex
THIS one interests ME
6 posted on 01/19/2011 7:48:16 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

MAybe they will make a semi-auto version of it in the future.

That would make it even better.


7 posted on 01/19/2011 7:52:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: marktwain

Only available in 12 Ga. — or in 20 Ga. too?


8 posted on 01/19/2011 7:53:44 PM PST by patriot preacher
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To: marktwain
I dont know much about the brand except it doesn't have a good name. I had a F.I.E. .38 EXPLODE in my hands, you would be surprised what kind of an impact, both literal and figurative that has, that morning convinced me, I WILL NEVER buy a cheap gun. (long story, the gun was a buddies, we were at a shooting range, we traded guns for (an attempted) total of 6 rounds, just my luck then it breaks, I had the tiniest pinprick on my thumb from it, I was EXTREMELY lucky.)

LISTEN TO ME, BUY ONLY QUALITY FIREARMS. Might cost a little more, but in the long run you wont be dissappointed.

9 posted on 01/19/2011 8:00:01 PM PST by ConservativeChris
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To: knarf

If it is as good as the SU then you won’t be sorry.


10 posted on 01/19/2011 8:08:53 PM PST by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: knarf

Yeah, cool looking rifle, but the vids on YouBoob show some FTFs it appears, this guy (see below) had to pull the charge handle after a few rounds, and the thing only spits brass after a few rounds have been fired, sometimes. WTF is up with that? Doesn’t appear to be real consistent on that point. Plus, inserting mags looks awkward.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar9KkdVnoGY&NR=1&feature=fvwp

I’m no rifle expert, now do I play one on FR, but there are weird things afoot with this piece, it would appear.


11 posted on 01/19/2011 8:11:58 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Eat the young, 100 million guppies can't be wrong.)
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To: IrishCatholic
"Only.....Kel Tec inspires no confidence in quality."

They lower price models aren't all heirloom pieces but they are a lot of gun for the money.
Kel-Tec seems to have a good reputation for standing behind their warranty.

I have fired a friend's Kel-Tec Sub-2000 in 40 S&W - a lot of practice rounds and no misfires or jams to date.

Weighs only 4 pounds, folds up to only 16" in length. Fits in a briefcase or under the drivers seat.

Available for less than $300 new last time I looked.

Here is more info on the Kel-Tec KSG Bullpup:

Kel-Tec Unveils The New KSG Dual-Tube Pump Shotgun

January 3, 2011

Kel-Tec’s newest revolutionary bull-pup design was announced over the weekend on the cover of the NSSF’s Shooting Industry magazine. Details of the new shotgun are sketchy, but presumably all will be made known at the upcoming NSSF SHOT Show.

The shotgun bears a stunning resemblance to the South African designed Neostead pump action scattergun. The operator is able to move a switch located near the top of the grip to select the right or left tube, or move the switch to the center to eject a shell without chambering another round. The bull-pup design results in an overall length of only 26″ with an 18.5″ barrel while the bottom eject design makes the firearm truly ambidextrous.

Shown next to the box of slugs in the photo to the left, you truly begin to get a sense of scale. The bull-pup design of the KSG makes it ideal for home defense and CQB. The incredibly short overall length makes it more nimble than a sawed off shotgun, and with a 14+1 capacity you don’t sacrifice ammunition capacity to get a shotty in a small package.

Ammunition capacity is 14+1 with 2 3/4″ shells. The KSG is shown with a factory installed Picatinny rail with flip up sights and a pistol grip. MSRP is not known at the moment, nor is there an expected date of availability.


12 posted on 01/19/2011 8:12:32 PM PST by Iron Munro (When a society loses its memory, it descends inevitably into dementia - Mark Steyn)
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To: West Texas Chuck

Oh yeah, back to the shotgun, I think it looks very coolish, would love to shoot one. How do the twin tube mags load? I couldn’t hear what the guy in the vid was saying.


13 posted on 01/19/2011 8:18:06 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Eat the young, 100 million guppies can't be wrong.)
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To: Iron Munro

Hey, thanks for the pictures, info, and link. I think I will save up for when the shotgun comes out. My last shotgun was a Remington 870 but that was years ago.
And, at under $300 I might give their carbine a look see if a local gun store has one.


14 posted on 01/19/2011 8:21:54 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Iron Munro

Comes with baby violin case?


15 posted on 01/19/2011 8:23:25 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: marktwain
Kel-Tec s a great gun company but they tend to be a little quick outta the starting gate with their new introductions. Wait until they get the bugs worked out of the new line, then buy one.

They usually start building the hype, drag their heels about getting it made, start selling the new gun, problems start cropping up, then apologize for not de-bugging it BEFORE releasing it for sale. In the meantime, they're making improvements along the way. No thanks, I'll wait til it's right.

That being said, if you do get a malfuntioning weapon, their customer service is outstanding. And, I like my P3AT.

I'm waiting for them to get the kinks worked out of their new PMR-30 pistol (pistol in 22 Magnum, 30 round clip mag!!!).


16 posted on 01/19/2011 8:26:31 PM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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To: West Texas Chuck
Yeah, cool looking rifle, but the vids on YouBoob show some FTFs it appears, this guy (see below) had to pull the charge handle after a few rounds, and the thing only spits brass after a few rounds have been fired, sometimes. WTF is up with that?

This video shows a cutaway RFB so you can see the ejection system.

Basically the spent brass is ejected forward on a chute. If you tilted the barrel down each spend round would fall out of the chute. If you keep the weapon level, it may take a couple of rounds before the first one is knocked all the way down the chute and out of the ejection port. But there is a flap that the brass passes through that prevents spent brass in the chute from jamming the action, so no worries.

Kel Tec RFB Cutaway Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLO7rHjHerk

17 posted on 01/19/2011 8:33:07 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Iron Munro

Zombie killer.


18 posted on 01/19/2011 8:35:57 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Doomonyou
Zombie killer.

Oh yeah!


19 posted on 01/19/2011 8:41:47 PM PST by Iron Munro (When a society loses its memory, it descends inevitably into dementia - Mark Steyn)
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To: marktwain

Ping


20 posted on 01/19/2011 8:43:27 PM PST by steel_resolve (Boycott Made In China Garbage)
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To: Yo-Yo

Well, I like the concept, but I was puzzled by the ejections of spent barassos.

Interesting, would love to shoot that rifle or the bullpup shotgun. Looks very much like a couple of cool weapons.

Hell, I’ll buy the ammo, lammy shoot them bad boys.


21 posted on 01/19/2011 8:46:09 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (Eat the young, 100 million guppies can't be wrong.)
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To: Iron Munro

I have a couple of friends who own the Sub-2000 and they love them. They pop ground hogs and coyotes out to 100 yards with the .40 caliber version. I hope that they come out with one that accepts M&P mags soon. If not, I may have to buy one that takes the Glock mags before long.


22 posted on 01/19/2011 8:46:27 PM PST by Ghengis
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To: marktwain
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm looking at a Colt M-16 .22 that Big 5 is selling for $399. Haven't seen them advertised for under $550, so it looks like a good deal.

The .22 ammo costs a lot less than the .223 I use in my AR-15, so I thought it would be a good Range gun.

Anyone here have an opinion on the gun? I'd appreciate the input.

23 posted on 01/19/2011 8:51:38 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (They bring a Bible to a Memorial, we bring a T Shirt - Long Legged Mac Daddy)
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To: knarf

That sound suppressor is incredible.

Here’s the same weapon without:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZoz7CNJIbI&feature=related


24 posted on 01/19/2011 8:55:53 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Ghengis

My Sub 2000 in 9mm takes Glock mags, or the Korean clones which work just fine. I had a soft-sider briefcase that held the weapon, three 33 round mags and one 17 round mag in the weapon. Lots of fun to shoot, accurate on sils out to fifty yards, and cycles everything including hollow points that I’ve fed it.


25 posted on 01/19/2011 8:57:40 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: marktwain

What happens when you shoot up a hill/mountain side? Can the expended brass slide back and interfere with the action?


26 posted on 01/19/2011 9:17:52 PM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.http://ma)
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To: IrishCatholic

I saw and handled KelTek’s new 15 shot shotgun today at the show, very innovative and the quality is fine. In fact, all KelTek products go bang when you really need one to shoot. The actual retail price will be less once the initial rush to own one lessens.


27 posted on 01/20/2011 1:03:32 AM PST by RicocheT
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To: shibumi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4FH4cK4T0E


28 posted on 01/20/2011 2:18:32 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: knarf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4FH4cK4T0E


29 posted on 01/20/2011 2:18:58 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: moovova


30 posted on 01/20/2011 2:23:54 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: moovova

31 posted on 01/20/2011 2:25:18 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: moovova

Just noticing all the protrusions on the slide, thinking that’s not one to be putting in your jacket pocket. It requires a holster for carrying.


32 posted on 01/20/2011 9:08:36 AM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: Yo-Yo

>>Basically the spent brass is ejected forward on a chute.<<

Would it function properly if you were shooting at someone who was above you?


33 posted on 01/20/2011 9:10:54 AM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch
Would it function properly if you were shooting at someone who was above you?

Absolutely. The force to strip and load a new round, and lock the bolt, is much greater than the force needed to shove an empty brass case against a stack of empty cases.

And as I said, there is a flap that the empty brass passes through to prevent the brass from sliding back and jamming the bolt mechanism.

34 posted on 01/20/2011 9:15:09 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

I’m thinking if an ejected (A)round could slide back and the next ejection(B) would be under the previous one(A).


35 posted on 01/20/2011 9:23:56 AM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch
Look at this video of a cutaway RFB, and pay particular attention to the spent brass at 0:31 in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLO7rHjHerk

You'll notice that as the last round is fired and the bolt locks open, one empty brass case slides back, hits the stop, then slides forward a bit again. That prevents what you're afraid of.

36 posted on 01/20/2011 9:58:43 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: moovova
Say, that's an interesting pistol. Thanks for posting.

A 30rd handgun eh? I might have to get one of those...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

37 posted on 01/20/2011 10:15:40 AM PST by The Comedian ("Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" - B. Goldwater)
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To: Yo-Yo

Thanks for digging out the video.


38 posted on 01/20/2011 11:01:36 AM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: The Comedian; B4Ranch
Try to count the rounds fired in this PMR-30 video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CTizq4NCto&feature=related

Not bad for $415...

39 posted on 01/20/2011 12:50:33 PM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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To: IrishCatholic

I like the length, though can’t justify the expense considering I have my Mossberg 590. That said, my Keltec Sub 2000 has been flawless.


40 posted on 01/20/2011 2:31:57 PM PST by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: moovova; The Comedian

I couldn’t count it.

What’s going to happen when Congress bans the 30 round mag? Or will that be for Glocks only?


41 posted on 01/20/2011 4:09:43 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: marktwain

I’d love to shoot a round of skeet with it. The closest I’ve come to that was a Stevens 520 riot gun I dragged to the range once.


42 posted on 01/20/2011 4:16:48 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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