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Hawaii governor claims record of Obama's birth 'exists' but can't produce the vital document
The Daily Mail ^ | 01/20/11

Posted on 01/20/2011 8:50:02 AM PST by MissesBush

Pressure was mounting on Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie today amid increasing confusion over whether President Obama was born there. Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said. But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate. And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health. He said efforts were still being made to track down definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii. Abercrombie was asked: 'You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?' He acknowledged the birth certificate issue would have 'political implications' for the next presidential election 'that we simply cannot have'. President Obama on a visit to Hickam Air Force Base in Honolulu in December. The issue of trying to prove he was born in Hawaii rumbles on 'It's a matter of principle with me,' the 72-year-old said. 'I knew his mum and dad. I was here when he was born. Anybody who wants to ask a question honestly could have had their answer already.' Birthers insist Obama, born in 1961, is not eligible to be commander in chief. The reasons often vary, and have changed and expanded in the two years since the Internet rumour began.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: abercrombie; birthcertificate; certifigate; duplicate; naturalborncitizen; obamabirthcert; yesterday
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Abercrombie's a clown. The guy opened up a hornet's nest again by taking this on, and instead of proving Obama was born in Hawaii he is adding to the doubt. I've been skeptical of "birther" claims, but this is starting to make me wonder. Hawaii, you elected a complete moron as governor. There was nothing more important for him to take on for Hawaii than to carry Obama's water on a controversy he's now deepened and made worse for Obama? What a pinhead.

Interesting by the way isn't it that we have to go to an overseas media source to find this story. You can bet if a birth certificate were found the US news media would be all over it. But since one hasn't, they can't be bothered to report it. Just like they ignore the Eric Fuller story, the libnut making death threats against tea partiers.

1 posted on 01/20/2011 8:50:05 AM PST by MissesBush
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To: MissesBush

“fake, but accurate”


2 posted on 01/20/2011 8:51:45 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: MissesBush
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3 posted on 01/20/2011 8:52:40 AM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: Hoodat

I don’t understand what’s wrong with FR’s search function. I searched the title before posting this and nothing came up, thus the re-post.


4 posted on 01/20/2011 8:53:52 AM PST by MissesBush
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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5 posted on 01/20/2011 8:54:40 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: MissesBush
This idiot reminded of a line from Glengary-Glennross, when the sales manager made a comment to a prospect that blew the sale. The salesman said:

"Don't you know the first rule is never open your mouth until you know what the deal is!"

6 posted on 01/20/2011 8:54:45 AM PST by AU72
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To: MissesBush

Try searching for single words instead of the entire title. Just searching for the word ‘Hawaii’ in the title should have pulled it up.


7 posted on 01/20/2011 8:55:37 AM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: MissesBush
Don't bogart that joint, Neil!

Democrat Party Assclown number 5,436,876.

You would think with all the money they steal, the democrats could attract some sane politicians.

8 posted on 01/20/2011 8:56:29 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
His words regarding his own claims are quite interesting.

He claims to have been in Hawaii when Obama was born. Well, so were a million or so other people. He claims to have known his mom and dad. Well, so did a lot of people, in many places.

He never makes any claim by his carefully chosen, but dumb comments. He could say those things under oath and still not be lying if Obozo was born in Kenya.

9 posted on 01/20/2011 8:57:26 AM PST by blackdog
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To: MissesBush

I like the fact that the topic keeps coming up to the forefront....keep it going...


10 posted on 01/20/2011 8:58:03 AM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: MissesBush

He found, something, but it`s not a long form B.C. with baby footprint,hand written doc signatures with manual rubber stampings.

That something, be it a reference or whatever means nothing. The laws during the `60s allowed a BC to be obtained with the only evidenced needed being a “witness” not to a hospital birth but a home birth.

Hawaii gave away BCs like candy back in the `60s.


11 posted on 01/20/2011 8:58:59 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: MissesBush

Hey. If he says he has it, then what are we making a fuss about? Boy, what an uncivil and untrusting bunch we are.

/s


12 posted on 01/20/2011 9:00:53 AM PST by rlmorel ("If this doesn't light your fire, Men, the pilot light's out!"...Coach Ed Bolin)
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To: MissesBush

Anyone check the vital records in Kenya?


13 posted on 01/20/2011 9:01:00 AM PST by Redleg Duke (We didn't limit out, but we nailed a bunch of RATS!)
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To: MissesBush

“Birthers insist Obama, born in 1961, is not eligible to be commander in chief.”

Not true, Daily Mail.
We’re like the cop who stops a car driving erratically on a highway used by drug mules and asks the driver if he will show us his driver’s license and registration, or even consent to a look in his car trunk.
We’re not saying he has bodies, drugs or bootleg smokes/liquor in his trunk. We’re just saying he’s shady as hell, and exigent circumstances or an order from a court, and the guy would have to comply.
We’re saying he’s hiding something, but we don’t know what it is and the reason that we’re like bulldogs on his t-bone is because we can’t stand him and want him removed or prevented from running again, if he’s violating the document he swore to defend. Btw, `We’ is me and the cricket in my shoe.


14 posted on 01/20/2011 9:01:51 AM PST by tumblindice (It's called a `lockbox' because it remains locked at all times. Except when we need money.)
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To: MissesBush
'The President is entitled to the respect of his office and he's entitled to have his mother and father respected.'

Ummmm...let's see. A fake citizen who's never done an honest day's work in his life born to a communist slut and an alcoholic, abusive anti-American communist foreigner...what's to respect?

15 posted on 01/20/2011 9:01:57 AM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: MissesBush
I've been skeptical of "birther" claims, but this is starting to make me wonder.

He spent a lot of money to block the release of his records, including his birth certificate. Then he signed and executive order sealing them. I don't know what he's hiding, but he's hiding something.

So much for a transparent administration...

16 posted on 01/20/2011 9:02:30 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: pgkdan

This is odd. I needed a BC to get my driver’s license birthday fixed. It took about 3 days.


17 posted on 01/20/2011 9:03:28 AM PST by gthog61
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ive seen and heard the claim that he has spent tons of money to block any/all attempt to release any info....but i cant find that link anywhere...is it available to show these critics that he has a big time law firm helping him hide his past???


18 posted on 01/20/2011 9:06:24 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: MissesBush

Yeah. I own the Big Island. I don’t have paperwork but take my word for it.


19 posted on 01/20/2011 9:09:08 AM PST by kevinm13 (Tim Geithner is a tax cheat. Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Democrat Party Assclown number 5,436,876 said, in the article, the following:

“he’s entitled to have his mother and father respected.”

ORLY ? ? ?

Would some FReeper who knows how, please post the nudes of Obama’s Mom taken by Frank Marshall Davis?

IIRC, posing for “cheesecake” nude pictures was not exactly the usual form of photography modeling for respectable” females.

Nor, given the era, was her posing for a black male photographer exactly “respectable” either.

However, it is always possible that either her mother or her ClergyPerson was present. Could have happened, Ya know.

Maybe she was “respectable” after all.

Hmmmn - maybe Democrat Party Assclown number 5,436,876 was the “Responsible Adult” for that photo secession.

Yes, I know Democrats have difficulty with being responsible where sex, money or treason is possible, but let’s give Democrat Party Assclown number 5,436,876 the benefit of the doubt.

We are, after all, “Compassionate Conservatives”.

;-)


20 posted on 01/20/2011 9:10:23 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Keep tryin Gov A, Keep tryin...

Eligibility depends on you!


21 posted on 01/20/2011 9:10:38 AM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: All

I find this guy more believable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFLyO2RWGms


22 posted on 01/20/2011 9:11:23 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: MissesBush
I read the comments in the interview, and they were at best ambiguous.

Abercrombie, IIRC, said that there was a record in the archives, something “written down,” but wouldn't elaborate beyond that.

Now what does that mean? If there was a long form bc in the archive, why not just come out and say it?

Something “written down” could be just about anything, and fuels speculation that there isn't a long form bc.

23 posted on 01/20/2011 9:11:33 AM PST by mojito
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To: tumblindice

No, we are infact saying he is inelgible-long held and well proven laws of citizenship and heredity clearly indicate teh issue, as does our own founding documents’ declaration for eleigiblity.

One’s father delineates nationality and loyalty, so in Obamas case, with his father’s nationality not in question (no one will ever state he (Obama Sr.) was a US citizen) there is no basis to deny the fact that Obama is NOT a natural born US citzen-maybe born in the US, indeed a US citzen perhaps, but like so many others born to a non-US father, they indeed are also ineligible fot high office....

Best;


24 posted on 01/20/2011 9:12:04 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: MissesBush

Why is anyone skeptical of “birther” claims? This president was not vetted for the office, there was enough data available to raise this doubt of his elgibility in any case.

His so-called “record” was a disgrace right off the bat, he had no experience at anything, his educational background was sealed, decreed untouchable, what else do we need to point to fraud?

Our “rulers” pass leviathan UNREAD bills effectively destroying not only our, but our grandchildren’s futures in one fell swoop and we all sit on our hands like idiots and actually think that we’ll just “vote” our way back to Federalism. No way, once such power is usurped and brought into play, a real fight is going to be necessary to even bring it to a halt much less any return to “the way we were”.

Amazing how we kowtow to PC which is the death of this way of government. Not WILL be, it already is the death of our way of life and now we have a dictator who is ruling by executive order, a Supreme Court that does not make decisions based on the US Constitution and a hoard of “Czars”, petty and dangerous tyrants accountable to no one except the One, nothing less.

We are so PC that we’re accusing people (Palin, Beck, Limbaugh) of murder based on what? Now THAT is the most dangerous of propaganda because what follows is action based on that propaganda, history has taught us that but we ignore what history has taught us. And the most upsetting of all is the percentage of people who go along with this outrage.


25 posted on 01/20/2011 9:15:39 AM PST by brushcop (CW4 Matthew Lourey CW2 Joshua Scott/ Kiowa pilots KIA Iraq '05. Thank you for our son's life.)
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To: MissesBush

A notation written down but not a genuine long-form BC?

That changes everything.


26 posted on 01/20/2011 9:17:27 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Manly Warrior

Like the John Wayne Bobbit case, Manly, you’ve gotta have hard evidence that will stand up in a court (of impeachment).
This is why 0 has spent at least a million dollars quashing attempts to force him to cough it up.
I think they imp. thing we learned from Gov. Tubby is that they are suggesting/saying they don’t have it. This is significant news.


27 posted on 01/20/2011 9:17:40 AM PST by tumblindice (It's called a `lockbox' because it remains locked at all times. Except when we need money.)
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To: brushcop

The “birther” is a pejorative to avoid actually discussing the issue.

Leftists use similar tactics in almost all issues.

Example: Pelosi’s response to the question of whether 0bamacare was constitutional.
“Are you serious? Are you serious? This is NOT a serious question!”


28 posted on 01/20/2011 9:20:41 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

It is very hard to find what never existed.


29 posted on 01/20/2011 9:22:08 AM PST by Roklok
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To: MissesBush
Abercrombie's a clown. The guy opened up a hornet's nest again by taking this on, and instead of proving Obama was born in Hawaii he is adding to the doubt. I've been skeptical of "birther" claims, but this is starting to make me wonder.

Abercrombie is supposedly pretty tight with Obama which makes me think that this is a political operation, Abercrombie raising the issue of Obama's birth documentation. I think that this is designed to tempt the House Republicans to overreach by opening an investigation, the result of which would be a political showdown that would cast the Republican's as the heavies.

Whatever the Truth here I just don't think that there's "anything to get" at this point. Too much time has past.

Far better to investigate Obama's policies as they intersect with the ongoing economic disaster.

30 posted on 01/20/2011 9:24:59 AM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: MissesBush
Birthers insist Obama, born in 1961, is not eligible to be commander in chief. The reasons often vary, and have changed and expanded in the two years since the Internet rumour began.

What "rumour" is that? And why isn't 0bama's claim of Hawaiian birth referred to as an "unsubstantiated claim?" Because that's what it is.

31 posted on 01/20/2011 9:28:34 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: MissesBush

The cover-up continues.

And the burden of proof remains on Obama to prove he possesses the appropriate constitutionally-required credentials to be president.

In the meantime, I will continue to call him what he is: the alleged president.

New tagline...


32 posted on 01/20/2011 9:29:48 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The burden of proof remains on the alleged president to prove he's constitutionally-qualified.)
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To: Hoodat

Thanks, I’ll try that in the future.


33 posted on 01/20/2011 9:31:26 AM PST by MissesBush
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To: tumblindice
You are (again) guilty of entirely reasonable remarks on th "Birther" Issue. I would not be surprised if the ATF, FBI, SS, and your local public library SWAT, drop in on you at about 3:32 AM.

Keep your dog quiet, and get back those overdue books and tapes ...NOW.

34 posted on 01/20/2011 9:34:13 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Wanted: 1 Governor, 1 AG, to keep Obama off 1 state ballot in 2012.)
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Is it my imagination, or didn’t the previous governor, or attorney general, or whatever of Hawaii stand up on national television and announce to the world that she had personally seen Obama’s birth certificate a couple of years ago


35 posted on 01/20/2011 9:36:40 AM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Para-Ord.45; All

Don’t most people have a copy of their own birth certificates? Obama’s traveled overseas so we know he somehow obtained a passport. He would have had to have presented a birth certificat, real or forged, to get a passport. Why won’t he simply present that and end all this?


36 posted on 01/20/2011 9:37:33 AM PST by MissesBush
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To: MissesBush
What a pinhead.

I 110% concur. Pass the popcorn, this is getting fun.

37 posted on 01/20/2011 9:41:07 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: MrB

Very true MrB, and so this steamroller continues...


38 posted on 01/20/2011 9:42:57 AM PST by brushcop (CW4 Matthew Lourey CW2 Joshua Scott/ Kiowa pilots KIA Iraq '05. Thank you for our son's life.)
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To: MissesBush

The thing that troubles me most, with this entire issue, is that Chief Justice Roberts swore him in. Did he get satisfactory proof of 0bama’s Constitutional eligibility? Has he ever said he did? If not, why did he think it wasn’t necessary?
I put nothing past 0bama, but would like to believe that Roberts knows his duty.


39 posted on 01/20/2011 9:44:26 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: MissesBush

Obama is phenomenal at securing his original birth certificate and other personal records. I think he should teach the CIA and the FBI his methods on how to safeguard classified information.


40 posted on 01/20/2011 9:46:20 AM PST by orinoco
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To: MissesBush

It really doens’t matter what the media reports. If a few more states come out like Arizona did and put out laws requiring that presidential candidates require a birth certificate to appear on the ballot, life gets interesting.

Especially if some of those states were states that went to Product Zero in the last election.


41 posted on 01/20/2011 9:51:38 AM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: blackdog

“He claims to have known his mom and dad. Well, so did a lot of people, in many places.”


Actually, I think that Abercrombie is one of the few people to have said that he remembers seeing Barack Sr. and Stanley Anne Dunham together in Hawaii in the early ‘60s.


42 posted on 01/20/2011 9:53:07 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: MissesBush

It makes me wonder why he brought the subject up at all. Either he is extremely stupid, or it was done to try and defuse a potential issue in the 2012 election. If the former, well the citizens of Hawaii get what they deserve. If the later, it didn’t work out very well. Election 2012 is going to be very interesting on so many levels.


43 posted on 01/20/2011 9:58:14 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Did Az actually pass that?
I thought that they chickened out at the last minute.


44 posted on 01/20/2011 9:58:38 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Anyway...

I’m putting the threshold at 2, or maybe 3, states requiring proof to be on the ballot

before Barky decides one term is enough.


45 posted on 01/20/2011 9:59:41 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MissesBush
This is hilarious. The more Abercrombie says, the worse it gets.

He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.

But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.

And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

He said efforts were still being made to track down definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii.

And people have been laughing at me, because I wasn't ready to buy into the 'Obama born in Hawaii' cover story? LOL

Folks, Abercrombie hasn't produced the evidence, because that evidence doesn't exist. Instead, it's becoming more clear by the day that a form was filed on behalf of Obama, and a hospital generated birth certificate never existed.

If I remember correctly, Obama's mom lived in Kenya until very shortly before Obama's birth. Abercrombie isn't mentioning that, is he.

"Oh I knew them, at the time of Obama's birth." Yeah, well then why didn't you mention the Kenya part of it? Either you didn't know them all that well, or you're not exactly providing all you know about that time frame governor.

Obama naturally born: FAIL

46 posted on 01/20/2011 9:59:51 AM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail the Kenyan Prince Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: MissesBush

47 posted on 01/20/2011 10:00:50 AM PST by Zakeet (Always trust in the five G's: God, Gold, Guns, Grub, and the Government screwing up)
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To: tumblindice

Well said....


48 posted on 01/20/2011 10:01:31 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Jobs? Nope! Economy? Nope! Disarm the U.S? Yep! Impeach the treasonous Marxist Muslim usurper bast)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Actually, I think that Abercrombie is one of the few people to have said that he remembers seeing Barack Sr. and Stanley Anne Dunham together in Hawaii in the early ‘60s.

So is he really believable or just another Democrat liar?

This issue has not been properly dealth with and the way it has been handled indicates that there is a MAJOR problem and they are trying to hide it from the public.

How can we trust anyone? Trust but Verify!


49 posted on 01/20/2011 10:01:37 AM PST by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: MissesBush
Here it is, written down and everything!


50 posted on 01/20/2011 10:09:19 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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