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Opponents speak out against tuition vouchers [PA]
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | January 20, 2011 | Tom Barnes

Posted on 01/20/2011 9:30:31 AM PST by brityank

Opponents speak out against tuition vouchers

Thursday, January 20, 2011
By Tom Barnes, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

HARRISBURG -- In his inaugural speech, Gov. Tom Corbett barely hinted at what is sure to become one of the most hotly debated issues of the spring -- "school choice," also known as "tuition vouchers."

It would be a major change in how the state funds education.

"Our students compete not only with those from the other 49 states, but with students from around the world," the new chief executive said Tuesday. "So we must embrace innovation, competition and choice in our education system."

The measure, Senate Bill 1, is so numbered "to reflect its priority status," said a main sponsor, Sen. Anthony Williams, D-Philadelphia. It would allow low-income students from "persistently poorly performing" public schools to switch to other public or private schools -- and receive taxpayer-funded vouchers to pay their tuition.

The measure, Senate Bill 1, is so numbered "to reflect its priority status," said a main sponsor, Sen. Anthony Williams, D-Philadelphia. It would allow low-income students from "persistently poorly performing" public schools to switch to other public or private schools -- and receive taxpayer-funded vouchers to pay their tuition.

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Mr. Williams said, "Standing in the way of school choice for needy kids in failing urban schools is like Gov. George Wallace standing in the doorway of a classroom to continue the segregation of the 1960s. Too many children are trapped by their ZIP code in schools that are not making the grade. Let's open the doors to freedom and opportunity."


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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: choice; education; monopoly; reform; schoolchoice; schools; teachers; union; unions; vouchers
We need to neuter the teacher's unions and revoke their ability to strike, as well as revoking tenure for all below 12th Grade. Eliminating strikes and tenure would go a long way to putting the control of the local schools back in the hands of the local parents.
1 posted on 01/20/2011 9:30:33 AM PST by brityank
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To: brityank

Schoolchoiceweek.com

Lots of stuff going on next week.


2 posted on 01/20/2011 9:35:37 AM PST by Excellence (Buy Progresso, take off the label, write "not halal," mail to Campbell's soup company.)
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To: Tribune7; Kid Shelleen

Ping.

Corbett and crew are off to a good start!


3 posted on 01/20/2011 9:36:51 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

Hoo boy, the teacher’s union monster is going to bare its fangs big time at this. Incidentally, that’s a perfect time to bust it in the chops!


4 posted on 01/20/2011 9:39:58 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: brityank
One thing is always missing from these debates:

The Democrats are the education status-quo party

The current education system (with all its problems) IS the Democrats' system. They controlled it for the last 50+ years; they brought it to this state; they will not change anything about the current system.

Why do we never hang this albatross around the Democrats' neck?

Why do we let the Democrats get away with false talk about improving education?

Why don't we tell voters the way it really is? If they like they current system, they should vote Democrat (because Democrats aren't going to change it--for better or for worse--in any way, shape or form). If they want to improve the system, they should vote Republican.

Why?

5 posted on 01/20/2011 9:40:13 AM PST by Brookhaven (Moderates = non-thinkers)
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To: brityank

Sen. Anthony Williams is an gun grabber and an ultraleft libtard on most issues, but he is right on the money here. If this bill gets traction, and I think it will, you can watch for the local union hacks spreading fear campaigns about blacks and other people of color flooding good performing suburban schools.


6 posted on 01/20/2011 9:46:05 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Giving credit when due...he’s right.

But unions will be screwed if black kids ever get off the Dem plantation.


7 posted on 01/20/2011 9:53:58 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Brookhaven
I think folks are starting to realise - due to the school-district property tax increases - that the Democrats plan to throw more money is a none-starter. Low-income vouchers aren't the only thing that needs to change, but it's a start in the right direction. Those vouchers should be available for all families, not just the low income ones.

Rescinding that law would defang the PA unions.

8 posted on 01/20/2011 9:54:57 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: WOBBLY BOB; Vigilanteman
But unions will be screwed if black kids ever get off the Dem plantation.

I agree he's right - but don't count on this bunch of teachers to turn over the plantation model, won't happen in this decade.

9 posted on 01/20/2011 10:01:31 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
"Stroke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool." --Clinton presidential aide Paul Begala, July 1998

President Kennedy’s Executive Order 10998, allowing Federal unions, is what opened the door for public sector unions at the state and local level, which is leading to bankruptcy from bloated public sector salaries, benefits, and retirement plans. Businesses that offered plans like many governments have would go bankrupt. Gov’t entities will, too, eventually, but it will be much more painful.

This is why unions should again be outlawed for public employees.

The practice of keeping bad teachers "dancing lemons," revealing the sad practice of shuffling bad teachers around the system instead of firing merely because they may have tenure on the job. While new teachers are automatically laid off due to budget cuts, teachers that have a disciplinary problem or a troubled history are kept because they've been on the job longer. This is wrong and reflects badly on the union and teachers alike, not to mention that it leads to a bad education for our kids.

What is the purpose of teacher unions? To work for children? Establish new and better requirements? Push their members to better serve parents and children?

"Despite what some among us would like to believe, it is not because of our creative ideas. It is not because of the merit of our positions. It is not because we care about children. And it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child. NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power. And we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues each year because they believe that we are the unions that can most effectively represent them, the unions that can protect their rights and advance their interests as education employees" ...National Education Association's just-retired General Counsel Bob Chanin. (The NEA is the County Association's parent body).

NEA General Counsel Bob Chanin Says Farewell:

VIDEO

As legendary New York teachers union leader Albert Shanker said, "When school children start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children."

All government unions should be banned. The idea that government workers need protection from guess who?? THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, is ridiculous. remember, teachers are government employees. Ban government unions.

10 posted on 01/20/2011 10:10:39 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
Thanks for the info and links; most school districts here have at least one 'dancing lemon' in place.
11 posted on 01/20/2011 10:37:41 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank
If you want to destroy the private school system in the US, I see no better way than vouchers.

The brutal fact of the matter is the cost keeps many undesirables from accessing private schools. Once they get in and the private schools become dependent upon that money, they'll become just as degraded the public schools.

12 posted on 01/20/2011 10:52:23 AM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: triumphant values

That was a thought of mine. The whole point of the skill of private schools to give a good education is because parents pay so much and they also provide a solid learning environment.


13 posted on 01/20/2011 11:04:41 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: triumphant values
If you want to destroy the private school system in the US, I see no better way than vouchers. The brutal fact of the matter is the cost keeps many undesirables from accessing private schools. Once they get in and the private schools become dependent upon that money, they'll become just as degraded the public schools.

I believe the same. School choice will allow the feral offspring of these lowlifes to destroy not only their own neighborhood schools, but all nearby public and private schools. No thanks.

14 posted on 01/20/2011 11:37:20 AM PST by Minipax
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To: triumphant values
If you want to destroy the private school system in the US, I see no better way than vouchers.

But, if that were true, wouldn't the liberals be totally supportive??? {just asking}

15 posted on 01/20/2011 11:48:14 AM PST by jda
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To: jda
But, if that were true, wouldn't the liberals be totally supportive?

Upper middle class white liberals are hypocrites. We all know that, so of course not. Not until they can figure out how to implement it in a way that keeps the benighted urban youths out of their private schools.

16 posted on 01/20/2011 12:07:15 PM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Minipax
I believe the same. School choice will allow the feral offspring of these lowlifes to destroy not only their own neighborhood schools, but all nearby public and private schools. No thanks.

School vouchers are to inner suburban private schools as Section 8 vouchers were to inner suburban neighborhoods.

17 posted on 01/20/2011 12:13:40 PM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: brityank
You might also look here -->> Peyton Wolcott

and if you want to laugh and/or cry look at the thieves here in the Keys: The comments are better than the stories:

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18 posted on 01/20/2011 12:28:32 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


19 posted on 01/20/2011 12:31:02 PM PST by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: triumphant values; Niuhuru; Minipax; jda
If you want to destroy the private school system in the US, I see no better way than vouchers.

Not really - a voucher system would also let the private school turn away the troublemakers - that's an essential element

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20 posted on 01/20/2011 12:34:38 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
Not really - a voucher system would also let the private school turn away the troublemakers - that's an essential element

Until accepting a certain percentage of "developmentally disabled" and "economically disadvantaged" students becomes a condition for reimbursement of those vouchers.

And an "approved curriculum."

Vouchers suck. Lame-o idea for cheapskates.

21 posted on 01/20/2011 12:43:19 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (I'm sick of damn idiots)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
there's a plan in the pipeline here in Florida and those are not conditions

Let the state and the do-gooders in the NEA handle that

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22 posted on 01/20/2011 12:45:24 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
You can't be that naive.

Obama Administration Targets 'Disparate Impact' of Discipline

Federal officials are getting the word out that addressing racial disparities in school discipline is a high priority, and they plan to use “disparate-impact analysis” in enforcing school discipline cases—a legal course of action that some civil rights lawyers contend was neglected under the administration of President George W. Bush.

“Regrettably, students of color are receiving different and harsher disciplinary punishments than whites for the same or similar infractions, and they are disproportionately impacted by zero-tolerance policies—a fact that only serves to exacerbate already deeply entrenched disparities in many communities,” Thomas E. Perez, the assistant attorney general for civil rights at the U.S. Department of Justice, recently said at a conference on school discipline and civil rights, according to a transcript of his speech.

Education Week

And just wait til the federal judges see who is and isn't getting in under these vouchers.

Come on, there hasn't been a right to freedom of association in this country in 40 years and it's ten times worse if you take the king's schilling

23 posted on 01/20/2011 12:49:48 PM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Elle Bee; Trailerpark Badass
there's a plan in the pipeline here in Florida and those are not conditions

Those aren't the conditions yet . Get the private schools hooked on the money and then change the rules.

Just like they hooked the hospitals on Medicare money and then passed a law stating they couldn't refuse anyone emergency room care with no reimbursement provisions.

You sure are trusting of the government's camel nose poking into the tent. How's that worked for us so far?

24 posted on 01/20/2011 12:57:57 PM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: triumphant values
there simply has to be a free market component ... and you can't expect goverment to do it for you ... you have to get up and scream - elect people who hold your point of view and hold them to it .... otherwise we can all just enjoy what we have

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25 posted on 01/20/2011 1:07:00 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
Not really - a voucher system would also let the private school turn away the troublemakers - that's an essential element

I can picture the lawsuits now. Do you really think the government will allow private schools to turn troublemaking urban blacks away en masse?

26 posted on 01/20/2011 1:11:55 PM PST by Minipax
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To: Elle Bee

But if they accepted the money, they would haev to obey the state in acceptance.


27 posted on 01/20/2011 1:11:55 PM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: brityank
Eliminating strikes and tenure

You eliminate tenure and there won't be a single Christian Conservative left in the system. It is unwise to assume a principal is anything other than a leftist, otherwise they don't get their job.

28 posted on 01/20/2011 1:13:58 PM PST by itsahoot (Almost everything I post is Sarcastic, since I have no sense of humor about politics.)
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To: Minipax
all you have to do is set a standard and add a price on to the tuition ... as private schools now operate

or as they operated in DC .... Scott has brough the former head of the DC school district on board

AND close the Department of Education

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29 posted on 01/20/2011 1:20:30 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Niuhuru
you know they are our employees

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30 posted on 01/20/2011 1:21:51 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Minipax
I can picture the lawsuits now.

The petitions for the courts are probably already written up and stuffed away in an ACLU filing cabinet, just needing names to fill in the blanks.

31 posted on 01/20/2011 1:23:32 PM PST by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Elle Bee
there's a plan in the pipeline here in Florida and those are not conditions

I'm sure you meant to say, "not conditions NOW."

Why vouchers? Why not a tax credit?

While I'm sure tax credits wouldn't eliminate the chance of govt meddling down the line, it would be much harder to get away with.

32 posted on 01/20/2011 1:36:51 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (I'm sick of damn idiots)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
I would always agree with reducing taxes

But they soak everyone for the schools now and those that use the schools and roads and such already get a huge tax credit ... it's the Homestead Exemption - one of the most unfair tax exemptions on the books

the people who vote on the tax increases are exempt form the increase by the Homestead Exemption but they are the ones who reap the benefits of the spending

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33 posted on 01/20/2011 1:58:51 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
there simply has to be a free market component

There already is, and I pay dearly for it.

34 posted on 01/20/2011 2:16:46 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (I'm sick of damn idiots)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
twice

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35 posted on 01/20/2011 3:08:47 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee

Thanks again; seems that Charlotte Iserbyt’s article shows us just why we have so many problems convincing conservatives as well as liberals how to fix the problems of our country.


36 posted on 01/20/2011 4:20:35 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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