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Reason TV: What Happened to the Anti-War Movement
big government ^ | 1/20/11 | Reason TV

Posted on 01/20/2011 4:04:19 PM PST by Nachum

Even as President Obama maintains close to 50,000 troops in Iraq and continues to escalate and expandthe war in Afghanistan, the antiwar movement in America continues to shrink (PDF).

So, what happened?

Reason.tv visited two antiwar protests—one left-leaning, one libertarian—in an attempt to answer that question. Author and historian Thaddeus Russell and Reason Senior Editor Brian Doherty also weigh in.

War, it seems, is a bipartisan venture, which is reflected by the fact that Democrats have a favorable view of Obama’s foreign policy, despite its remarkable similarity to George W. Bush’s foreign policy. And though there have been rumblings of antiwar sentiment from some on the Right, Republicans remain strongly in favor of an interventionist foreign policy.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; antiwar; foreignpolicy; intervention; interventionist; movement; reason; tv; war
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1 posted on 01/20/2011 4:04:26 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 01/20/2011 4:06:06 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Anti-War protest weary


3 posted on 01/20/2011 4:08:49 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: Nachum

Cindy Sheehan and the Code Pinkos have nearly dropped off the Earth.

How quaint. Their clownish protests vanish as Bush leaves office.


4 posted on 01/20/2011 4:09:51 PM PST by Col Frank Slade
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To: Nachum

I used to see these anti war liberal pukes on the corner protesting the wars and claiming they supported the troops!My boy was in Iraq and my blood would boil! Out goes Bust in comes the commie in chief and all goes silent. cowards every one!


5 posted on 01/20/2011 4:10:46 PM PST by timetostand (Ya say ya wanna revolution -- OK!)
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To: Nachum

Liberal hypocracy bookmark.


6 posted on 01/20/2011 4:20:32 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Nachum
Get Charlie Rangel's draft fired up. That will bring back the hippies.

Seven or more deployments is about seven too many to ask of any patriot, to sacrifice for this ungrateful lot who now support Obama's good war without goals, without defined victory and without end.

I just read about 90 suicides at Ft Hood. It is not because they don't like Texas, and not just because their wives who left them were evil.

7 posted on 01/20/2011 4:20:51 PM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Nachum

It never had very much to do with a principled objection to war. It was always about opposition to Bush. In the same way that the awful problem of homelessness disappeared once Clinton was elected, remained invisible the whole time he was president and then re-emerged when Bush was elected. It is all leftist politics as presented to us by the media.


8 posted on 01/20/2011 4:27:19 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Nachum

More soldiers are dying now in Afghanistan than when Bush was in office, yet not one peep about that from the Left!


9 posted on 01/20/2011 4:30:27 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I’ll always remember what Janeane Garofalo said when she was asked why there were no protests during Kosovo, “It’s not hip to protest Clinton’s wars.”


10 posted on 01/20/2011 4:32:26 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Nachum

On a few website bulletin boards, I have used the term PEACE NAZI to describe the peace movement in general, and one person asked me for an explanation as to what the term means and why I say it. Here is my answer:

It is intentionally derogatory, and I use it because I believe it has to be said.

It has to do with the foundation of the PEACE movement in the US and abroad and their Communist foundation, and how the majority of the signs held and slogans chanted are not about peace or genuine concern for the people of two warring countries, it is about the anti-American attitudes and the violence-inducing signs and slogans calling for violence against American Troops and President Bush.

Carrying signs calling on troops to kill their officers, to bomb Texas, for Bush to choke on a pretzel and die, for troops to shoot their officers, signs that call for communist revolution, starting fights with people who disagree with you while carrying a peace sign, trying to steal my money in Boston while carrying a peace sign and then telling me because you were shamed into giving back the money that means you are ok after all...

Things like that.

I will NOT stop using it. It is intended to make the peace protestor think.

After all the horrors we found in Iraq, you should all be thankful we went in and invaded to remove that madman. Yet, the mantra has changed, it is now against occupation and most recently a call for early withdrawl without any victory!

Repeatedly, information comes out of Iraq proving the terrorist connections of Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda.

Still, not one PEACE NAZI has apologized and admitted we were right. All they did is complain that a people that were under slavery for 30 years were looting after Saddam was overthrown, and who do they blame? Why the US!! We did nothing to stop it! Maybe because we stayed out of the crowd because the PEACE NAZIS would have complained we didn’t let them vent their anger??

(As a side note, people who are now called PEACE NAZIS didn’t call on the LAPD or Federal Troops to stop the LA riots after the Rodney King riots, did they? They told us all to step back and let them vent their anger, yet all of a sudden, we were supposed to go in and use force to stop rioters in Iraq?)

And to top it off, we are flushing out the terrorists in places like Fallujah, the places where the Murderous Mullahs all take refuge, and the PEACE NAZIS have not ONCE held a rally to decry the beheadings of Americans or Iraqi CARE workers! Not one PEACE NAZI rally held to call for justice for the Killers of Daniel Pearl or any foreigner killed in Iraq!

We never intended to occupy a country like SYRIA had the last 20 years, and where were the PEACE NAZIS and their signs calling on SYRIA to leave Lebanon? They are non existent. The Syrians killed tens of thousands, chasing little children into bedrooms and shooting them point blank.

Did you know there was a Christian Community in Beirut before 1985? Now, they are almost either all killed or fled from the Syrian backed Junta, and not a peep from the PEACE NAZIS, only against American forces sent to Beirut to keep peace. Why aren’t the PEACE NAZIS arguing for the return of the Christian Community back to Beirut where they lived for 2 Millennium?

Where were the PEACE NAZIS when Israel was blockaded in 1967?
Where were the PEACE NAZIS when Israel was attacked on her Holy Day of Yom Kippur in 1973?
Where were the PEACE NAZIS when the PLO was shelling Katyusha rockets into Israel in 1982?

Oh, Yeah, I remember, they were telling Israel to stop defending themselves!

In fact, there is not a single country that we ever went to war with that we stayed as the governing power for more than 10 years! We always returned it to the people.

And that brings up another point: PEACE NAZIS are NOT against war, they are against wars that the US is engaged in to overthrow pro-Communist or PRO-radical Islamic regimes or PRO-Maoist/PRO-Stalinist regimes.

My point here, is simple: These COMMIES are not for peace. If they were, they would have been screaming about Clinton killing innocents to keep his sexual scandals off the tv;

they would have been screaming for the Palestinian Liberation Organization to stop killing Jews;

they would have been screaming for Hamas and Islamic Jihad to stop killing Jews;

they would have been screaming for the Hutus and Tutsis to make peace;

they would have been screaming for that madman Saddam to stop killing Kurds or Iranians;

they would have been screaming for the Turks to stop killing Kurds or Greeks;

they would have been screaming for the Chinese to stop killing Vietnamese in 1982;

they would have been screaming for the Angolan Army to stop killing with the help of the Cuban Army in the 1980’s;

they would have been screaming for the Muslims to stop killing and beheading school age children and other Christians in Indonesia, Malaysia, and China and North Korea;

They would have been screaming for the Sudanese to stop the torture and slave trade which continues today in Darfur;

They would have been screaming when the Syrians invaded Lebanon in 1985 and have continued an occupation of Lebanon since the 1980’s;

They would have been screaming when Pol Pot started a genocide in 1975;

They would be screaming now about Mugabe killing all the white farmers in Africa in Zimbabwe;

They would have been screaming at the murders caused by the African National Congress and their necklacing of prisoners and at Winnie Mandela who was convicted of murder, yet the communists are silent;

They would have been screaming about Tiananmen Square, but they are silent;

They would have been screaming about the repression in Cuba and why so many people have chosen to flee in rickety little boats, but instead they lionize that dictator, Castro;

They would have been screaming about the invasion of South Vietnam in 1975 where the north started a genocide campaign in direct violation of the Paris Peace Accords of 1973 and caused over 2 million Vietnamese to flee in little boats that got picked up by ships like the one I was on in 1981;

They would be screaming at the Palestinians for their suicide bombings that intentionally target innocent school age children;

They would be screaming at the Palestinians for their suicide bombings that intentionally target innocent people on buses, or pizza parlors, or weddings, or wheel-chair bound invalids on cruise ships, or Olympic hotels;

They would have been screaming at the rioters in France, except Peace-Nazis do not scream when Muslims kill people or destroy things.

Except, the only time they scream is when the US is at war against a tyrant who is support by Russia or France.

In much of the world, the antics and policies of these PEACE NAZIS would result in jail – or worse. Cuba, China and many socialist countries routinely eliminate protests – and protesters – against the government and its leaders. It seems ironic that the ultimate goal of these protesters is to transform America into the kind of government that tolerates no dissent.

And since NAZI is one of the most vile insults you can give someone in our last two generations, I call them PEACE NAZIS, for they are not for peace, they are for war, they are for the overthrow of my country and into communism and anarchy, and they are a violent bunch who base their foundation on lies and the telling of lies and the repeating of lies.


11 posted on 01/20/2011 4:34:10 PM PST by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: Nachum

“Well, Watson, that is the curious incident of why the patchouli smelling, hemp wearing, hippie doesn’t protest in the night.”

“Silver Blaze”....I modified it a bit.


12 posted on 01/20/2011 4:35:40 PM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Nachum

Reduced to its essence, their “man” got elected. If Satan ran as a democrat, his supporters (the political left) would not speak ill of him.


13 posted on 01/20/2011 4:43:42 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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To: Nachum

In this context, namely foreign policy in the real world, the phrase “one left-leaning, one libertarian” is redundant. As I have remarked to a friend of mine who is an adviser to Ron Paul, “I am not convinced that Ron Paul believes we live in a dangerous world, and remained convinced by his words and deeds that he does not know what should be done about it.” In short, many if not most “libertarians” think the only problems in the world are caused by the USA.


14 posted on 01/20/2011 5:02:16 PM PST by crusher (Political Correctness: Stalinism Without the Charm)
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To: Nachum

They’re waiting for Palin!


15 posted on 01/20/2011 5:22:56 PM PST by Doc Savage
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To: RaceBannon

Thanks Race! Had to copy that one for future reference.


16 posted on 01/20/2011 5:24:42 PM PST by martian622 (The Revolution is being televised.)
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To: RaceBannon

Bravo, well stated. These are the types for whom there is no civility. The only response to them is an iron boot to the chin. Literally.


17 posted on 01/20/2011 5:27:58 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: dfwgator

I protested.I called my horrible Congressperson Woolsey and send;”why are we bombing Europe”? Stop the bombing’!I was told “that’s your opinion.”Gosh, I can’t stand those hypocrites!!!


18 posted on 01/20/2011 5:52:11 PM PST by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: RaceBannon
Thanks, Race. Excellent ...................... FRegards
19 posted on 01/20/2011 8:01:01 PM PST by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms .................. FRegards)
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To: RaceBannon
Thanks, Race. Excellent ...................... FRegards
20 posted on 01/20/2011 8:01:58 PM PST by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms .................. FRegards)
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To: Col Frank Slade

Simple..

“Anti-war” means anti-Bush. There are wars going in Afghanistan and these libtardic pukes were prancing around and praying for dead American soldiers.

War is only acceptable when a Dumocrap is president.


21 posted on 01/20/2011 8:46:30 PM PST by max americana
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To: max americana
“Anti-war” means anti-Bush.

It's more like "anti-GOP". To the idiots on the left a conservative only goes to war to make money. A liberal goes to war to "save" someone.

They believe everything that happens under their rule is righteous and good. Everything that happens under a conservative's rule is evil. It's just as simple as that.

This country's is at a fork. One is fascist socialism and the other is business as usual. I fear there is no turning back and unless we stop it we will be fighting this battle every four years.

There is a large block of people in this country addicted to govt. Anyone who has fought an addiction knows the trouble ahead when the drug is cut off.

22 posted on 01/21/2011 4:07:25 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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