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Gun Talk: Ten Rounds In A Magazine May Not Be Enough Firearm Realities (Update)
http://radioviceonline.com/ ^ | January 20, 2011 | Steve McGough

Posted on 01/20/2011 5:07:19 PM PST by Biggirl

Gun control advocates and even former Vice President Dick Cheney have suggested having 10 rounds available in a magazine for a semi-automatic pistol “seems” like enough to protect oneself, yet the argument is simply an extension of a random number that “seems” to make people feel better and has no relation to real-world situations.

I’ve caught a few posts during the last week concerning the number of rounds a pistol magazine can hold. It’s an emotional issue for many, but limiting the magazine capacity of semi-automatic pistols would not make a difference, and could put those defending themselves in a more difficult situation.

Rick Green at the Hartford Courant has brought this subject up twice (here and here) within the last week mentioning he tried to get an answer from Sen. Dick Blumenthal (D-Conn.) concerning a proposed limit. Ed Morrisey at Hot Air posted just today referencing Cheney’s comment about the same.

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To: Biggirl

The whole issue with magazine capacity boils down to incrementalism, or disarmament by a thousand cuts. (Sorry about the butchered metaphor, but that’s my specialty.)

If the guv can limit magazines to 10 rounds, they can limit them to 8, then 5, then 2, then 1, and then, whoops! You don’t really need a gun any more, because it can only legally contain zero rounds of ammo.

Never be distracted from the end game of gun control, which is complete and utter civilian disarmament.


21 posted on 01/20/2011 5:41:29 PM PST by Disambiguator (Political Correctness is mandatory stupidity.)
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To: Biggirl

More is always better when you are talking about how many rounds a firearm can hold.


22 posted on 01/20/2011 5:44:27 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: BenLurkin

“You don’t bring a double-barrel to a machine-gun fight.”

- SAM


23 posted on 01/20/2011 5:45:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Blueflag

Is your trainer Front Sight?


24 posted on 01/20/2011 5:48:21 PM PST by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: dila813
The chest area is larger and therefore an easier target to hit than the head. That said, two to the chest with a handgun regardless of caliber, with a follow up to the head if the first two shots did not stop the assailant.

As far as magazines go, newer metals used for springs in new magazines have alleviated some of the “fatigue” issues associated with keeping them loaded for long periods of time. However, if you don't have the time or $$$ to practice enough to make spring fatigue a non-issue, (the mag won't be loaded if you shoot all the bullets that are in it), you may be better served with a revolver.

With a wheel gun, you don't have to worry about spring fatigue as everything is at rest until you pull the trigger.

25 posted on 01/20/2011 5:48:23 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Sergio
With modern bullet design and powders, the stopping power for a 9mm and a .45ACP are about the same. That being said, I still prefer a .45ACP.

I like the 9mm better, lighter, faster pistol and less kick, barrel climbing. Cheaper ammo for lots of practice and loaded with Remington Golden Saber ammo about the same stopping power as a 45.
As far as magazine capacity, adequate to defend myself is what I want, not what some idiot politicain *feels* should be adequate.

26 posted on 01/20/2011 5:53:08 PM PST by The Cajun
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To: Bryanw92

No.

http://www.bullseyemarksman.com/

Great bunch of ex-military and executive security guys there who have been there and done that.

Very good ‘combat tactics’ / personal defense trainer there.

But Front Sight seems to have a good reputation. Why do you ask?


27 posted on 01/20/2011 6:05:34 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag
"In the real world if you have time to draw in the first place, you likely have time to reload ... if you are practiced."

In the real world, folks age and don't have the coordination they once possessed. The older I get, the more I appreciate this concept. Certain illnesses will also bring your 1.5 second reload to an ugly end.

28 posted on 01/20/2011 6:29:22 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: Biggirl
FWIW, about a year ago a Freeper posted a link to an article that may be germane to this topic...

The “Center Mass” Myth and Ending a Gunfight

http://forums.gunsamerica.com:80/yaf_postst14_The-Center-Mass-Myth-and-Ending-a-Gunfight.aspx?c=0301

“Lots of people stay in the fight after “center mass” hits, and some even win it... One, two or even several well placed “center mass” shots may not do what you think it will...”

The author,Jim Higginbotham, who has had decades of LEO experience makes the case that even in the case of lethal hits, the perp has enough time to fire back, and in many cases kill people who were waiting to see the effect of their initial hits on target.

As a civilian, I found this article to be a real eye opener, and while it may be old news to those of you in law enforcement or the military (thank you all for your service), I hope you will take the time to read this article. God forbid any of us should get into a gunfight, but this article could be a lifesaver someday.

29 posted on 01/20/2011 6:30:44 PM PST by ADemocratNoMore (Jeepers, Freepers, where'd 'ya get those sleepers?. Pj people, exposing old media's lies.)
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To: Biggirl

Someone intent on doing harm will always figure out a way around the rules.


30 posted on 01/20/2011 7:18:15 PM PST by smokingfrog (BORN free - taxed to DEATH)
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To: Bryanw92
In the real world, if you NEED a reload you have already failed the First Rule of Pistols: A handgun is for defense only. You use it to get away from a gunfight.

I can't say I agree with that. If a confrontation results in the good guy firing two or three shots at the bad guy... *if* there's a break in the action, the prudent thing is to do a tactical reload at the first opportunity. Even if you've only fired a couple of rounds, go ahead and switch out for a full magazine. That way... if something new develops, you've got a full magazine to deal with it. My .02

31 posted on 01/20/2011 7:22:42 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: ADemocratNoMore
The author,Jim Higginbotham, who has had decades of LEO experience makes the case that even in the case of lethal hits, the perp has enough time to fire back, and in many cases kill people who were waiting to see the effect of their initial hits on target.

Well, the "myth" comes from movies where people get shot and fall down dead. It just doesn't work that way in real life. It takes ~time~ for people to die in the real world. It's not a pretty thing. But with enough holes in them, they won't be able to put up a fight while it happens. Preferably, large gaping holes.

32 posted on 01/20/2011 7:48:59 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: dila813
Despite the ammo wars, the first rule of thumb is the ability to hit the target. A miss with a .45 is worse than a good hit with a 9mm.

Take some classes from real experts not gun store commandos.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXVNypPUGto&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48

33 posted on 01/20/2011 7:53:34 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: dila813
Despite the ammo wars, the first rule of thumb is the ability to hit the target. A miss with a .45 is worse than a good hit with a 9mm.

Take some classes from real experts not gun store commandos.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXVNypPUGto&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48

34 posted on 01/20/2011 7:57:21 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: dila813
Despite the ammo wars, the first rule of thumb is the ability to hit the target. A miss with a .45 is worse than a good hit with a 9mm.

Take some classes from real experts not gun store commandos.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXVNypPUGto&feature=related

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa50-plo48

35 posted on 01/20/2011 8:10:21 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: dila813

I have sent the following to my congress critters:

There has been a lot of nonsense in the news about banning large magazines for pistols, specifically the 33 round used by the shooter in Tuscon.

I say nonsense because: Suppose we ban them.

Who will obey the law? Certainly not swat teams. Certainly not crazies like the shooter in Tuscon.

It will have no affect at all on the legal concealed carry because there is no way one can carry a 30 round pistol/magazine concealed. If you know anything at all about CCW, the idea of one going to Walmart or McDonald’s or any restaurant with a 30 round magazine under your coat or shirt is ludicrous.

So the only people who under the proposed ban would carry a pistol with a 30 round magazine would be swat teams and crazies, exactly the same people who would carry them under th present laws.

But why should anyone have a 30 plus round magazine in his pistol?

The statistics show that cops in the middle of their shift, wide awake, miss 85% of the time.

So a person who is awakened from a deep sleep in the wee hours, vision blurred, heart beating 150 beats per minute, is probably going to miss even more..

Suppose there are two intruders, as is often the case, and the home owner hits only 15%.

30 rounds x 15% = 4.5 hits. The homeowner will be lucky to get that.

A 10 round mag would give the homeowner 1.5 hits. Not good enough.

So a pistol with a 30 round mag is made for the under the bed home defense gun.


36 posted on 01/20/2011 8:28:12 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Bringbackthedraft
I better buy a Draco while can.

I have one and highly recommend getting one. Enormous firepower in a small package.

37 posted on 01/21/2011 12:49:04 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: EdReform

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38 posted on 01/21/2011 1:43:59 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: BenLurkin; All
Just remember folks, that when they gun grabber’s talk about restricting magazines, they’re talking ALL magazines, not just those for handguns.

Therefore, that’s just 10 rounds for your AR or your mini-14, or whatever else you have.

They seem to be ‘Targeting’ (if one is still Allowed to use that word) 30 rounds for some reason, that means they want to restrict your RKBA to a ridiculously low number like 15 – 10 rounds.

Next time ‘round, it’ll be 5 rounds, and if the gun grabbers had their way, we’d be reduced to individually loading “Bullets” into single shot pop guns (That is, if they were being generous)

39 posted on 01/21/2011 6:03:18 AM PST by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: dila813

For magazine springs, it’s not constant compression that make them weaker. It’s actually using the springs over and over that causes wear.


40 posted on 01/21/2011 6:52:22 AM PST by Steve495
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